― JW (ex machina), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)
― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)
― ddb (ddb), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)
5. DR MORBIUS
― city of gyros (chaki), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)
― tehresa (tehresa), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:08 (nineteen years ago)
― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)
― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)
― city of gyros (chaki), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:36 (nineteen years ago)
― accountsettings (account), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)
doh!
― city of gyros (chaki), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Captain TeenTalk (vahid), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Captain TeenTalk (vahid), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)
― city of gyros (chaki), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)
― FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)
― accountsettings (account), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)
― i can't believe i'm the first one to say it (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)
― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)
― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 01:56 (nineteen years ago)
― jäxøñ (jaxon), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 02:04 (nineteen years ago)
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― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 03:21 (nineteen years ago)
― ALLAH FROG (Mingus Dew), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 03:26 (nineteen years ago)
― raw like sufjan (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 04:39 (nineteen years ago)
― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 04:43 (nineteen years ago)
-- jäxøñ (jaso...), May 8th, 2006 11:04 PM. (jaxon)
http://www.pronews.com/images/high_five.gif
― Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 05:37 (nineteen years ago)
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)
are you saying you don't care for the vanity thread or the lamer submissions?
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)
though it sometimes leaves me just confused i often find that feeling out of sync with the audience, when i do, clarifies my reaction to a movie. at 'life aquatic' my companion and i seemed to find a lot more of the jokes funny than the rest of the audience. at 'monster-in-law', surely the least funny movie pretending to be a comedy i have seen in ages, a couple of couples (i think they were middle-aged gay men, if that says anything at all - i mention that because one review i read intimated that perhaps gay men were the intended ideal audience, and that's the only way i've been able to make sense of why anyone with any familiarity with the conventions of current romantic comedies and thus having the expectations that the outlines supplied by formulas be filled in with jokes, that is, who?, might take the movie to be funny rather than empty and needlessly cruel) laughed demonstratively at everything that might be taken as a joke, whether it actually contained one or not.
so, at 'napoleon dynamite' i started out thinking well of the movie, laughing some, but what put me off was seeing how much funnier the audience - in large part - seemed to find it. and what they found funny where i was less moved tended to be the easy gags directed at napoleon or any other character on the basis of little more comical than their being awkward losers.
at moments i thought it struck a tragic note just because of what eric (?) noted above in the thread - that part of napoleon's character (you could see it in the girl's, too, though hers was more conventionally manifested via the 'nerdy girl who knows what people think of her' tropes, i think, as opposed to something more inherent in napoleon setting him apart) involved a studious lack of awareness of what people thought of him, and overcompensation, precisely as a reaction to people thinking so poorly of him. if i recall correctly there are a couple moments, maybe no more than reaction shots, where it's implied that his obliviousness is a defense; you see him falter, affected slightly.
this is not to say that what put me off was that people failed to see this tragic note. nor that it redeems the character of napoleon. as people have noted, he's a jerk at times. (one wonders what choice life has given him so far.) but i think it at least puts in a different light many of the things that some people seem to have liked about the movie. there were some good jokes, and apart from some exaggerated absurdities and such for the purposes of making a movie, i thought it captured (comically, which isn't to say with laughing) the manner, the physiognomy, of a certain exemplar of the loser (and his social proximates - they're never really alone) with uncanny, uncomfortable accuracy. but upon finding that many in the audience seemed to have no problem taking that portrayal as a laff riot i felt a little bit more miserable about humanity, about what human beings can do to one another and not even know it. and by saying that i'm not identifying with napoleon, thinking, hey he's just like me when i was in high school, or feeling guilty and thinking, hey i totally made fun of that guy in high school. like most people i know who weren't callously and openly cruel to such easy targets at that age, i had as little to do with the school losers as possible, kept to my own life by the contempt automatically required of me.
i wonder whether anyone else experienced what seemed to me to be the especially agressive marketing campaign for the dvd release. no doubt as part of their followup to its surprise success (?), someone connected with the movie paid for person-to-person advertising / canvassing. i was hit at least three different times in the fall by someone in public distributing cardstock ads for the forthcoming (then out?) dvd, once in a coffeeshop where after hitting maybe a dozen people in less than a minute the person was asked to leave by the barista.
i'm sure this is not the first movie for which that marketing strategy has been chosen, but it's the only time i've experienced it, and for me it confirmed some of my suspicions about the dispositions of the movie's audience (because of the relative breadth of viewer the promoters apparently expected to be able to draw interest from, not because of the aggressiveness of the canvassing).
-- Josh (kortbei...), June 2nd, 2005. (Josh)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)
― teh_kit has 20 friends (g-kit), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:27 (nineteen years ago)
― melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 11:10 (nineteen years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)
For real.
― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)
heh, well, i don't even find my own (accepted) screen names that funny. i just keep changing them out of boredom and nihilism.
― raw like sufjan (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)
nice, unfunny try, guys
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 07:41 (nineteen years ago)
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 11:01 (nineteen years ago)
― the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)
― FLOWING STRAIGHT FROM THE SURVIVAL SCROLL (vahid), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)
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― JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)
lucky everyone else redeemed that "do you like comedy" thread
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Dan (;_;) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)
― The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)
― John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)
I don't see what this has to do with me.
― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)
― lf (lfam), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)
26) notvalery
― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)
― val (notvalery), Thursday, 11 May 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)
― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)
what ever happened to boyfriend-girlfriend confidentiality?????
― val (notvalery), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)
― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)
you didn't have to take it down. I know how to laugh at myself. Besides, if I didn't, I wouldn't get any laughs at all.
― val (notvalery), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)
i would kill whoever locked the lib ref thread
― lf (lfam), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)
― lf (lfam), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)
― JW (ex machina), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)
-- rrrobyn (apoemabouteverythin...), May 16th, 2006 1:42 PM. (rrrobyn) (link)
― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)
i want to change my password for ILX
to the idiot thread repository. BOOOOO!
― John Justen (johnjusten), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)
NO SURPRISE THERE
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)
― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)