NOISE JAZZ

Less obvious recommendation: Wayne Shorter - Super Nova (nice mix of noisy and non-noisy elements)

rfi: starting point for bill laswell

Point of Departure his best known date w/Dolphy & Tony Wms.

Judgement! "Bobby Hutcherson pwns all over this" -- Gear

Passing Ships Mingus-style expanded ensemble

Dance of Death the Blue Note sound goes doom-metal, includes a cut called "Black Sabbath" (predates the rock band)

Smoke Stack and Grass Roots more trad hard bop/soul jazz but goooooood shit bra

Time Lines much more recent and still pushing the limits

massacre

what does "not fictional" mean?

been looking for a good place to post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdhsJKkve-8

Laswell record I most highly recommend: Bahia Black (ft some badass Brazilian drum squadron, a couple NY bucket drummers, lots of Herbie Hancock and Bernie Worrell).

Other noizy jazz I wld reccomend:

Echoes - Dave Burrell (another knee-temblin BYG-era blow out)
Harras - Derek Bailey/John Zorn/William Parker
The Last Wave - Bailey/Laswell/Tony Williams
Mirakle - Bailey/Jamaaladeen Tacuma/Calvin Weston (Ornette's rhythm section from the Prime Time group, funky noize)
Tau Esat - Alan Shorter (recently reissued rarity by Wayne's free-er, trumpet playing bro, here w/ ace sax skronker Gary Windo, who also plays on the outest recs by Brit guitarist Ray Russell,, esp. that dbl disc set O'Rourke put on Moikai a few years ago)
the first Lifetime alb and 'Devotion' by John Mclaughlin are noize in a slightly more post-Hendrix way

xpost oh yes, I would definitely recommend the first Lifetime album, lots of frantic Tony Williams freakouts & some of the most loud, rawnchy John McLaughlin stuff

don cherry/penderecki - actions - nm (wergo spectrum) $20
roscoe mitchell (art ensemble) - l-r-g/the maze/s II examples - nm (nessa) 2lp $30
roscoe mitchell (art ensemble) - nonaah - vg+ (nessa) $15
the roscoe mitchell art ensemble - congliptious - nm (nessa) $20
sunny murray trio - live at moers festival - nm (moers music) $20
new york art quartet - s/t - nm MONO (esp-disk) $20
william parker - through acceptance of the mystery peace - nm (centering) $60 or best offer - super-clean first album by parker as a leader! super rare!
michel portal - alors!!! - vg+ (futura) $35
michel puig - stigmates - nm (byg/actuel) $20
dewey redman - look for the black star - vg+ (arista freedom) $10
bob reid - africa is calling me - vg+ (kwela) $20
steve reid - nova - nm (universal sound) $10 - nice reissue!!
the revolutionary ensemble - psyche - nm (re publishing) $20
the revolutionary ensemble - s/t - vg+ (inner city) $10
the revolutionary ensemble - the people's republic - vg (a&m) $5
the revolutionary ensemble - vietnam 1&2 (at the peace church) - vg+ (esp-disk) $12
ray russell - dragon hill - vg+ (cbs uk) $35
kenneth terroade - love rejoice - vg+ (byg/actuel) $15
clifford thornton & the jazz composer's orchestra - the gardens of harlem - nm (jcoa) $20
clifford thornton new art ensemble - freedom & unity - nm (third world) $30
charles tyler ensemble - voyage from jericho - vg (ak-ba) $25
charles tyler - s/t - vg+ (esp-disk) $25
Lester Bowie - Numbers 1&2 (Nessa) - NM $15 (solo by late Art Ensemble trumpeter - great!)
Alan Braufman - Valley of Search (India Navigation) - NM $12 (features Cecil McBee)
Creative Construction Company - Volume 2 - Near Mint $10
Deutsch Amerikanishe Freundschaft - Fur Immer - Good $2
Arthur Doyle Electro-Acoustic Ensemble - Plays the African Love Call - NEVER PLAYED $15 (comes with bumper sticker)
Dyani/Temiz/Feza - Music for Xaba - Mint $10 (great S. African jazz on Antilles label)
Lovens/Lytton - Was It Me? - (Po Torch) NM $10 (rare improv)

Listen to The Thing.

Albert Ayler is a good starting point for your noggin dusting noise-jazz shit. Spastic, ecstatic, often hilarious hulaballoo (the "Spiritual Unity", "Spirits Rejoice" albums are prime, and definitely check out "Universal Indians" off his "Love Cry" LP). Lots of great live stuff, too.

Some of John Coltrane's later recordings("Ascension", "Meditations", "Om", "Stellar Regions") will peel your ears back, but good. And it's some of the most exhilarating, most connected jazz music available anywhere, if perhaps not as mind-bendingly beautiful as his mid-career work. As with Ayler and Sun Ra, there are TONS of fire-breathing live sets out there...

On the Coltrane tip, Pharoah Sanders did some fine firmament scraping on his own. Check out "Karma", "Jewels of Thought", "Black Unity", and so on. His solo joints gets progressively more funky, contemplative and "multicultural" as time goes on, but the early records are totally unhinged.

Then there's the full-on Sun Ra Solar Arkestra from the 60 and 70s. They move in and out of the noise realm, but they can bring down the skies like Merzbow when they wanna. I'm especially fond of "The Magic City", "Outer Spaceways Incorporated", "Atlantis", "The Helocentric Worlds of..." records, and "The Solar Myth Approach" records. His recording are numberless as the stars, and vary wildly in both content and quality. Buyer beware, but it's all at least worth a listen.

The "New York Eye and Ear Control" soundtrack LP (w/ Albert Ayler, Don Cherry, etc.) is pretty much just flat-out, free blowing NOISE. Playing it at work tended to engender "conversations" about what is or isn't music. Plus hatred. LOTS of hatred.

Coming along a little later, Peter Brotzman is just insanely noisy and chaotic. His early records, like "Machine Gun" and "Nipples" are classics, but he's still busting heads to this very day. His recently-active Die Like a Dog Quartet is worth checking out (see the "Little Birds Have Fast Hearts" records). Very stern, "manly" and Germanic. Sometimes oppressively so, but I guess that's the point.

The first Machine Gun record (S/T) -- their only recording with Sonny Sharrock on guitar -- is pretty dang noisy. After that, I dunno. (Note that this is a band called Machine Gun, and they have nothing to do with the Peter Brotzman record of the same name.)

Note that while Sonny Sharrock's soly stuff ain't THAT noisy, his "Ask the Ages" LP is one of my favorite jazz records of ever, ever. With alumni from Coltrane's famous quartet, including P. Sanders.

Oh, and the first Last Exit studio record (S/T), their "Iron Path" and the live "Noise of Trouble" LP -- all with both Brotzman and Sharrock -- just totally fuggin' KILL.

Never dug Material.

Free drummer William Hooker got him some pretty abrasive records, often with indie-rock noise/improv luminaries like Lee Ranaldo ("Gift of Tongues", "Black Mask", "The Celestial Answer", etc.).

he means it's not Sonny Sharrock with VALERY

Ellery Eskelin - anything w/Jim Black & Andrea Parkins

Satoko Fujii - quartet (w/Yoshida from Ruins!) and big band stuff esp

Brian Allen - my college friend, plays w/Eskelin and Fujii, and puts out own stuff too

stence I might be interested in that Lytton/Lovens. How's teh cover on your Nonaah? I spilled beer on mine and need a replacement.

john hollenbeck/claudia quintet

Smokestack is knotty and dense -- math jazz.

Grass Roots is the one that's hard bop w/a twist.

pharaoh saunders is one a my faves. alice coltrane as well.

hell... the noisiest jazz i got kickin is... take two suggestions from above and play them at the same time... currently: satoko fujii + Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuovo Consonanza.... now some chris corsano + flaherty... vs han bennick nerve beats... vs ennio... vs. poison...

okay i've had enough. seriously tho, bored of your jazz records? put on two at the same time ... take one that's more groovey and structured and mix that with something more freee... i usually listen like this on a computer... so i can have two different programs playing the tunes...
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Haha;

I went on WPIX-FM in Manhattan and simultaneously played "Race Mixing" by Teenage Jesus and the Jerks on one turntable and the short version of "Nonaah" by Roscoe Mitchell on another, saying "Get ready all you tape hounds, because we have here a vintage unreleased take of Roscoe jamming with Lydia Lunch and the Jerks at the last Montreux Festival," and most people apparently believed it.
-- Lester Bangs