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fuck you

― ian, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

this sucks. can't we just keep using the sandboxXx?

― ian, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Firefox + page style + no style makes it semi-tolerable. Which makes for a crappy slogan, but eh.

NEW ILX! NOW SEMI-TOLERABLE!

― John Justen, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, that sucks too once you do it for a while.

― John Justen, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

this is what happens when 8 aspergian britishes with no design sense decide to redo everything

― █▄█▒ ▄ █▄█▒ sans ░&#, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

the server load problem could have been solved by not sending 800 posts worth of data every time a spambot crawled a thread (just sending unregistered's last 50 msgs would have done wonders)

― █▄█▒ ▄ █▄█▒ sans ░&#, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

do not want

― tehresa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/jcoombs/export.jpg

css bravehaeart

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

indeed... implement paging for cringle's sake.

fix the margins and font sizes... "i forgot my password" = 500 error.
m.

― msp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

jesus i am not even drunk, just a tiny bit tipsy and this is not good. not good at all.

― tehresa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think i can do it. i might have to go away and wait for betterness.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

i hate that you have to scroll down and search for where you left off

― s1ocki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

i know and also maybe this will cure me of ilx? but maybe i don't wanna be cured!

;_;

― tehresa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i was thinking i could use a break

the sad truth is that as certain threads begin to atrophy, the more interesting part timers will disappear (i'm thinking the m p4rkers, droo d4niels, and s3zers of the world)

― █▄█▒ ▄ █▄█▒ sans ░&#, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

*heavy sigh*

― tehresa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

I have partially hacked my personal stylesheet and am looking into other things. Developing!

(insert drudge sirens)

― mh, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

i hate that you have to scroll down and search for where you left off
There is an #unread, but it's not perfect yet: it doesn't keep track off all the threads, and you have to be logged in to use it.

The stylesheet is anus. I've fixed it a bit, shift-reload to see changes.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

uh, this is a serious serious problem.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

seriously, can we get rid of the 'formatting help' bullshit? that would be splendid.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

all i want is to be able to access the noize and cooking boreds wifuout click scroll click nonsense

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

you guys'll get it. these things get done. :)
m.

― msp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

otm

― m coleman, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

my first response was rage

― latebloomer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:53 (nineteen years ago)

stet is there a way to stay logged-in longer? that would probably solve my #unread issues.

― s1ocki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

whoa. this is completely messing with my brain. i should've just gone straight to bed, but i had to turn on the computer, and now this :/

― rrrobyn, Thursday, 22 February 2007 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

Tighten up the graphics on board 60.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK THIS SHIT

― Sandbox Nostalgist, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

two steps forward, seven steps back.

― ^@^, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

not a fan.

― GHEEEEEEEEEEE, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Phantom Menace of message boards?

― latebloomer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

more like The Ewok Special.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

You guys are dingbat spazzes.

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

o im jus' kiddin' ffs. i'll deal

― latebloomer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

NO WE WILL FITE

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

It looks like the least nip-and-tucking has been done on I Love Baseball *COUGH*

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

things wanted back:
image URL displayed for when images off
board links all on the same line
put board links UNDER the response box
submit button takes you to the thread you just posted on
board bookmarking of course

don't care about the change to formatting/use of bbcode

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Remember that you can't use HTML tags - look below for formatting help!
Remember that you can't use HTML tags - look below for formatting help!
Remember that you can't use HTML tags - look below for formatting help!
Remember that you require more Vespene gas!
Remember that you require more Vespene gas!
Remember that you require more Vespene gas!
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You require more Vespene gas!
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― Count Nefaria, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

this thing is making my head all hurty...

and it just took me 10 minutes of failed logging in and registering to say that

― bb, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

why am I the only person who has had no problems whatsoever with this?

― jessie monster, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.kaiju.net/junk/oh_god_what.jpg

― Count Nefaria, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Jessie, I am on your side! Together we'll bitch about the other folks bitching!

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

bleh I am just bored with only threads for complaining. Let's talk about THE FALL.

― jessie monster, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

we're lost in music....HEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYUURRRRGHH

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

GLAM! RACKET!

― jessie monster, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

i'm just posting once to see what my name will look like, as i have no idea until it happens

― gff, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh there it is. great.

― gff, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I am posting this to see if I am still logged in or not.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't, by the way.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah cookies are definitely session-only I thinks. It like livejournal! Or myspace!

― jessie monster, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

CHECK THA REKKUD

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Skipping 38 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

bell labs, you are v. v. pretty

― sanskrit, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoy reregistering. SWEET!

― Gorilla Grodd, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

WAIT A SECOND

now i can't proxy in to NSFW stuff!!!!

not that proxy'ing really helped with the page blocker they have here, but i could always get around it by running through the dialectizer and reading the pages in jive, hacker or pig latin.

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

for example, i can no longer use the dialectizer or google cache to look @ "t/s: super roots series vs rebore series" ... probably due to somebody's "funny" log-in name

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the port number in url

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

don't all the threads use the same port #? or do you mean the port thing is why proxies don't work?

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

i am a meganoob and don't even understand WTF this port thing is in the first place

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

basically ilx admins can't be bothered to do things right

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

JW OTM

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

That is EXACTLY why multiple layers of proxying often act up, on the internet

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Does tomcat have to run in a separate process from apache? there's no fastcgi socket version?

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

That makes no sense to me. If a socket was involved it would be in a different process. At least it would be very slow to use a network connection to communicate within the same process.

But to answer, it is in a different process, yes, since Tomcat runs in a JVM. They communicate in whichever way the Apache module would choose. Don't know what that is, but basically the options are

- Sockets
- Named pipes
- Shared memory

― Keith, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yea, fastcgi can do sockets (tcp and unix domain) and named pipes iirc. We used it here when we moved to php5 to run php4 in parallel. Its nice because you can make each fastcgi server run as a different uid, chrooted etc etc

Mod_proxy is worst solution though. DO NOT WANT

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

My solution would be to not run Apache at all, but right now there's a redirect script in the way for URLs. Won't matter in time, though others may want to run Apache for other reasons.

I thought you suggested mod_proxy...

― Keith, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

mod_proxy is easy at least.

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

mod_proxy was yr suggestion, and was easiest way to do in short term. Long-term is mod_jk, which fast as hell, but pain in ass to make work.

― .stet., Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

i think i know what tuomas feels like

:/

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Its not my fault you chose Java!

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

You must know that this stuff has nothing to do with Java...

― Keith, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

If it were php, Perl or nearly anything it could run in apache. I don't know a lot about Java on server stuff though.

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Also I'd be complaining about the stupid Servlet names in the urls if the port number was fixed :D

― JW, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sure. Though I'm dubious of the particular benefit of being able to run in Apache. I mean, Apache's a great piece of very stable software, so it's not a problem, but there is a long list of things not in favour of perl or PHP. More perl, perhaps than PHP, which is a good discussion, but in many ways, both of these feel like a twenty year throwback in terms the ways programming has advanced.

Why would you be complaining about the servlet names? They're arbitrary... I could have made them whatever, but I tried to make it readable and maintainable, so they're verbose. They could have been called 'x' if I'd wanted, but that would've been just unprofessional.

I don't understand how a port number could be fixed... You can run on any port you like... I'm going to run a test server on another port number in the next couple of days. The number, I'll just make up on a whim.

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

Why would you be complaining about the servlet names? They're arbitrary... I could have made them whatever, but I tried to make it readable and maintainable, so they're verbose. They could have been called 'x' if I'd wanted, but that would've been just unprofessional.

Why should the guts of a site be visible in the url. Urls should provide informative content, If you weren't going to do digg style urls, I'd at least break up the url heirarchy like

http://ilx/board/$id
http://ilx/thread/$id

etc

More perl, perhaps than PHP, which is a good discussion, but in many ways, both of these feel like a twenty year throwback in terms the ways programming has advanced.

I use a PHP Rails-ish framework.

― JW, Thursday, 1 March 2007 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Why should the guts of a site be visible in the url.

I guess my point is why not? I mean, it doesn't matter a jot what the URLs look like; it's an implementation detail. It doesn't expose any internals, since the package name of the classes are not exposed. The servlet name does correspond to the non-qualified classname, but that's just for ease of maintenance. A change to one configuration file would make it roughly similar to what you suggest, but as I say, it needs to be easy for others to modify/maintain, so it would just add another layer of indirection into understanding the code.

When I started this thing (a long story), I bought a book on PHP, because people had already decided they wanted it in PHP. After reading it, I decided I just couldn't cope with writing software in it. I've been writing software since 1980 and really it felt like a lot of the things that were wrong with programming languages in the 1980s had been carried forward to PHP, bizarrely.

Its popularity seems to be based on the fact that it's easy for newcomers to pick up, which is certainly a virtue (not for me though; I've written stuff in probably 50 different languages), but I found there were so many constraints it was going to place on the development of this thing, not to mention annoyances (it works with a kind of #include mechanism!) that I wound up doing it in Java, because I wanted to be able to write fairly sophisticated caching stuff that, had I done it in PHP, there would have been no data structures available to do it.

In addition, access to threads was going to be useful for batch-style work (yet to do) and certainly low-level synchronisation on threads (read & x-locks) was going to be able to make the thing perform far better under load, which so far, appears to be working well.

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and I didn't use any sort of framework for this. I just wrote it all myself. If anyone can justify the need for (most) of these things to me, other than helping the guys who developed them get higher consultancy rates, then I'm all ears!

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

keith, don't feed the bears!

― tehresa, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Keith how is it you've been programming computers since the 80s and you live in Britain and you don't have any pop hits? I thought everybody who programmed computers in the 80s in the UK also got a synthpop band, like, they just sent oberheims and reel-to-reels to your house for free. Have you ever heard the crap on The Golden Hour Of The Future? The Human League used to SUCK

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

8080

― am0n, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

8080 is the new OTM

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

U JUST GOT SERVLETED

― am0n, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

most php is terrible

― JW, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

turn img borders off ffs

― am0n, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.symfony-project.com/

FWIW, I'd rather use Java then crap regular php (I wrote a 10k LOC app (I'm totally going to get sonned for this) in it) and would never do it again.

The privacy screen login is effective for the duration of your browser session. When you shut your browser down it forgets this login. The next time you browse to the development server you will have to login to the privacy screen again. If you browse to a different development server during a session you will be asked to login to the privacy screen on that server. Use the same username/password for all development servers.

LOL I CAN'T DO COOKIES RITE

― JW, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

TPR8: Web Security and Service: Finding a New Balance (Part II)
D@le B. Grady, University of R0chester

Ten years ago if your server went offline, the administration might not have noticed. Today the phone rings before the crash is complete. The deans and the president notice immediately. It must stay online! At last year's conference, we discussed the University of Rochester's solution to protecting the server and controlling access. This year, version two of the utility has been expanded to include code screening and usage advice as well as the ability to block selected code deployment. This presentation will provide a demonstration of "Deploy V2," a secure utility for moving pages and entire sites from development to production. We will describe, demonstrate, and review the technical specifications of a development/production server system implemented in a university environment and examine security issues, vulnerabilities, and solutions.

― JW, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

AUS10: Web Security and Service: Finding a New Balance (Part III)
D@le B. Grady, University of R0chester

Ten years ago, if your server went offline, or the Iranian Hackers defaced your homepage, the administration might not have noticed. Today the phone rings before the crash or the hack is complete. The deans and the president notice immediately. It must stay online! At the last two HighEdWebDev conferences, we have discussed the University of Rochester's "Deploy" solution to protecting the server, controlling access, screening code, and blocking selected code deployment.

This presentation will provide a demonstration of "Web Publisher Services," a secure utility merging "Deploy," for moving pages and entire sites from development to production, blocking restricted code, providing code advice, controlling allowed actions, and notifying publishers; "Watcher," for watching for content hacks, servers outages, and database operation; and "IPA Database," for controlling user accounts. We will describe, demonstrate, and review the technical specifications of a development/production server system implemented in a university environment, and examine security issues, vulnerabilities, and solutions. Real incidents will be discussed.

This session is scheduled for Tue, Oct 24, from 1:30 PM to 2:30 PM.

― JW, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.funruiner.com/animatedFinger.gif

― am0n, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

HOW DO I SHOT OPEN TITLE-FREE THREADS ;_;

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Its to the left of the Q key

― JW, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ANY KEY?

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

south of tilde

― am0n, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

this no work for me. feel free to talk shit about me in untitled threads. :D

― jessie monster, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto, too much trouble. You will get people on those threads who you only want to make fun of, because they care enough to bother, and you won't get me, because I can't be arsed. So enjoy.

― Laurel, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

those threads are boring anyways! u_u

― bell_labs, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

tom on ur stylesheet can you plz make the image borders go away plz thx hate them so much

― jh0shea, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

n00dz r not boring

― am0n, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I just double-checked, I got rid of 'em.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

awse

― jh0shea, Thursday, 1 March 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

TOMBOT, yeah, no pop hits, but someone wrote a song about me once.

That said, the first single I ever bought was the Human League's Mirror Man.

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

why duz edward III's polls show on Answers w/ no link?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

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