RFI: Heavily psychedelic "big band" jazz

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if i am listening to current groups like barnacled & kark, and older ensembles such as the sun ra arkestra and those records where archie shepp is playing with a large group of algerian musicians, what else do i want to listen to?

― ian, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

you know. there are a couple of herbie man records that are actually good

― bb, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

L'Infonie - Canadian big band played Terry Riley's In C on one of the Organ of Corti reissues, and Mutant Sounds uploaded some of their stuff the other day as well

― Dominique, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Also, the Jazz Composer's Record from 1968 -- not really "psychedelic" per se, but pretty out there (especially one track that has Pharaoh Sanders going completely off)

― Dominique, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

there are a couple of herbie man records that are actually good

Memphis Underground is pretty hot (Sonny Sharrock) but I don't know if i'd call it big band

― dmr, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

this is weird because i am v recently listening/wanting to listen to a lot of this lately too but need more recommendations obv
i wish there was more hypnotic brass ensemble to listen to + that they would just come play on the streets of mtl already

― rrrobyn, Thursday, 22 March 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

master musicians of jajouka

― am0n, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Maleem Mahmoud Ghania with Pharoah Sanders - Trance of Seven Colors

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

omg this sounds awesome.

― artdamages, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

not so much psychedelic as noise/free european...those Schlippenbach Globe Unity discs are reallllly special.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Carla Bley - Escalator over the Hill. you'll shit yourself. start collecting her records and her cronies.
Michael Mantler - The Hapless Child and Other Inscrutable Stories.
they take prog musicians and jazz musicians and write out these epic free/big band monstrosities.

also Charlie Haden's - Liberation Music. same idea (carla bley did some work on them) but with weird spanish folk unertones.

the Strata East label did some interesting things with big bands. Charles Tolliver and put out avant big band records under Music Inc & Orchestra. i've got Impact. it's really nice, but maybe a bit straight for your tastes.

oh, Eddie Gale. 2 of my fave jazz albums. late 60s blue note. mixes big band, psych, folk, choral singing, free playing.

obviously don't forget Mingus.

― jaxon, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

want

― river wolf, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://bumrocks.com/ just put up an Eddie Gale track.

i started an ILM thread on the dude. "Black Rhythm Happening" and "Ghetto Music" are just so amazing.

― jaxon, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

i like that eddie gale. i guess it wouldn't have occured to me that it would fit here.

― artdamages, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

ill second charlie haden

― bb, Thursday, 22 March 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

give Electric Bath by Don Ellis a go

― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

dude THE GRAND WAZOO by Zappa is very big band heavy psych.

― chaki, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

this is actually good, but not really psychedelic:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000009DEC.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I like the Mantler record (also w/Robert Wyatt), and it sometimes reminds me of the Greaves/Herman/Blegvad Kew.Rhone record from 1977.

― Dominique, Friday, 23 March 2007 02:31 (eighteen years ago)

arbete och fritid!!

― am0n, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

oh, i have that Kew.Rhone record. I also think I listened to arbete och fritid at some point (someone's itunes at old work maybe?) and isn't it like swedish jammy acid folk?

― ian, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

swedish jazzy acid folk

― am0n, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Astro Can Caravan is kinda like this. Roland Kirk never really had a "big band" but some of his stuff has that feel. Try Volunteered Slavery.

― walterkranz, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

or 3 Sided Dream in Audio Color

― dmr, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

KRYSTOF PENDERECKI / DON CHERRY - ACTIONS / THE NEW ETERNAL RHYTHM

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

It never gets rated very highly, but I am a big fan of the Centipede - Septober Energy 2lp set. most of the Brit big-wigs you'd expect on such a project: Elton Dean, Ian Carr, Keith & Julie Tippett, Alan Skidmore, McDonald from Crimso, Robt Wyatt, etc., all produced by Robert Fripp. And it's good! slow-going at times but gets into this really heavy pounding groove in places..

also for sheer *density*-as-heavy-psychedelia nothing beats of course Alan Silva's Celestial Communication Orchestra 3lp set.... everybody and their sister who took off for Paris is on that thing, on BYG.....

― Stormy Davis, Saturday, 24 March 2007 03:07 (eighteen years ago)

oh yeah, i meant to list that Centipede album. and the Keith Tippet record on Vertigo " Dedicated to You, But You Weren't Listening"

― jaxon, Saturday, 24 March 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)

john coltrane AFRICA/BRASS

― m coleman, Saturday, 24 March 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/81/499381.jpg

― m coleman, Sunday, 25 March 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

^^medium-psychedelic

― m coleman, Sunday, 25 March 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

gil at the public theater gets pretty spacey! his 80's bands were always good at those long 10 minute meandering intros that were all spaced out and that would lead into goodbye pork pie hat or a hendrix tune. the public theater stuff is extra-shaggy and stoned sounding. maybe more stoner jazz than psych jazz.

http://images.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/658/Live_At_The_Public_Theatre_New_York_1980_Vol_2_Gil_Evans__5880658.jpg

― scott seward, Sunday, 25 March 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/e/ellis_don~~_electricb_101b.jpg

― scott seward, Sunday, 25 March 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

this album is INSANE

http://www.donellismusic.com/Ellis_Recordings/Autumn/Autumn.jpg

― scott seward, Sunday, 25 March 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

drop a tab, duuuuuuuude:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000005GZJ.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― scott seward, Sunday, 25 March 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

i would TOTALLY listen to this on acid. if i still did acid. scary movie string section, walloping big band jazz, fat fuckin' bernard purdie drum beats, and wailing eric gayle guitar leads:

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/m/mcfarl_gary_americath_101b.jpg

― scott seward, Sunday, 25 March 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

seriously, though, don't listen to don ellis on acid...

― scott seward, Sunday, 25 March 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.emusic.com/img/album/106/032/10603243_155_155.jpeg?

― artdamages, Sunday, 25 March 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

you guys r great.

― ian, Sunday, 25 March 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

Charlie Haden's - Liberation Music

More like this please!! This came into the shop yesterday and it's blowin my mind, mang.

― ian, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

Sam Rivers Big Band maybe?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

that charlie haden lp is a good one for sure,

― 696, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

also, i just bid on a copy of that centipede record. looks great.

― ian, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

date course pentagon royal garden

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

i like a bunch of the 80s-90s muhal richard abrams albums - blu blu blu, familytalk, rejoicing w the light

― 69, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

i'm just gonna repeat what i said upthread, but check out anything Carla Bley related. and there's a second Liberation Music Orchestra from the early 80s on ECM and it's pretty good.

if you're interested, when i get home, i can list you more psych-jazz records, not necessarily big bandy, but stoned and out there

― jaxon, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

i got carla bley's "musique mechanique" the other week, which is pretty great as well.

― ian, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

any of cecil taylor's big band outings are worth a spin, particularly "winged serpent (sliding quadrants)" or the "alms/tiergarten" dbl cd on FMP.
anthony braxton & the nortwest creative orchestra "eugene" is good when it's swinging but rarely does

― bob snoom, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

i should get that 2nd liberation music orchestra one. i got tolliver's impact, and, as jaxon says, its a bit...straighter, like the first track a lot though

i know everyone loves escalator over the hill, but what about dinner music and tropic appetites? any good

― 696, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

there's another liberation music orchestra album from around 1990, i gave it a good review but rock critics and the art of pretend forgetfullness...can't find the cd...arggghh.

dinner music sits in that 70s ECM groove, not as "out" as escalator

― m coleman, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 10:08 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://bravojuju.blogspot.com/2007/08/sam-rivers-crystals-1974.html

― chaki, Friday, 17 August 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

i have a feeling ian doesn't read leo

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w258/tharkhun/ZPCD92.jpgRelease information:
New Release from zappa.com. Long awaited live recording of the Grand Wazoo big band in Boston on the last night of an 8-night tour. Catalog number VR 2007-2
http://rapidshare.com/files/77527023/Disc_1.zip
http://rapidshare.com/files/77518220/Disc_2.zip
-- chaki, Wednesday, December 19, 2007 6:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

i can't recommend that zappa upthread enough. especially if you enjoy heavy psychedelic big band jazz!
-- chaki, Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:29 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

― jaxon, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:00 (seventeen years ago)

its so good.

― chaki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago)

thnxx for th inxs tip chaki...i ignored it for th good of mankind

― danbunny, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago)

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― chaki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago)

ashley seward says "if you want the reAL thing in todays psych big band 07 then listen to the jason Lindner big band live at the jazz gallery along with Maria schnieder the nicest noise for the ears this year----- for real listeners of the jazz sound- Try and get the latest by the TOM pierson band (Released in 2004) Combination of Ellis and evans- Forget skot SEWARD- i AM the TRUTH JAZZTRUK"

― danbunny, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:49 (seventeen years ago)

"for real listeners of the jazz sound"

― chaki, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago)

skot is on notice now..i got my father to register to ilx

― danbunny, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

can't wait until the lil kids start posting and putting the rest of us to shame

― jaxon, Thursday, 20 December 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

I love Caribou Vibration Ensemble which I guess is in this territory especially with Marshall Allen onboard.

Other than that I think it's mainly Sun Ra.
though I must find my copy of that Don Ellis cd & Eddie Gale's Ghetto Music both of which are pretty great.

― Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 14:58 (fourteen years ago)

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