A GENTRIFIED STREET IN WILLIAMSBURG

he look downtrodden and lost,
the saddest shibuya hipster of all.

by the ghosts of ur hipsters no doubt

Yeah my understanding is it costs way more to reno a factory than to just do a complete teardown and rebuild in most cases.

i just don't fucking get it, that's some sub-bethesda-maryland shit right there, that's like a timeshare building in florida

well its doesnt really matter how much it costs, it matters how much people will pay, tho obvs it makes sense that people would pay more to live in a building thats not made of plastic

people who live in plastic buildings shouldn't vote at a city council meeting

well its doesnt really matter how much it costs, it matters how much people will pay, tho obvs it makes sense that people would pay more to live in a building thats not made of plastic

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's a little simplified, I mean it's really more about how much more people will pay vs how much more it costs, i.e. a lil something called profit margin. And also how much financing you can get to build it. Not to mention that there are probably some old industrial buildings that are just too dilapidated/unsound to renovate.

sry hurting just take yr real estate owning like man

I mean it might be like Scenario A we can demolish and then build 50 brand new plastic-ass apartments for a total of $20 million dollars, get the thing built real quick and flip em to suckas for an average of $500K each -- boom, quick five million dollar profit.

Whereas scenario B we can build like 40 one-million dollar apartments, but it will cost us 36 million to do the renovation, plus it will take two years so there's more risk.

*100% realistic numbers used above

so you in or what

i doubt building a whole new building is cheaper than renovating a factory, maybe when you consider what you have to pay for a factory but having paid for the factory i dont think anyones knocking one down

what if the factory was a factory that manufactured apartments, hmmm, have you ever thought of that

of course i thought of that fn n00b

i doubt building a whole new building is cheaper than renovating a factory, maybe when you consider what you have to pay for a factory but having paid for the factory i dont think anyones knocking one down

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:12 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok, but it is sometimes, for all kinds of reasons -- structural issues, difficulties getting a certain building up to code for residential, presence of asbestos and the like, suboptimal use of footprint (i.e. you could build a lot more apartments in a new taller/wider building than you could in the existing factory) etc.

sure, but generally it seems like developers are pretty psyched to do conversions

when i was walking around wbugr during hurricane sandy there were all these weird new condo buildings w/ sculpted hedges out front and lobbies

i felt kind of sad because it was obvious they were new, if only they had been allowed to make them 100 stories or something (i think the tallest was like 10 floors), think of how much housing pressure that would have relieved

downtown bk has a bunch of new towers, guess its ok there

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/nyregion/city-plans-redevelopment-for-vacant-area-in-lower-manhattan.html

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2013/09/18/nyregion/18stewart-park/18stewart-park-popup.jpg

i felt kind of sad because it was obvious they were new, if only they had been allowed to make them 100 stories or something (i think the tallest was like 10 floors), think of how much housing pressure that would have relieved

if only these ugly expensive unaffordable condo towers were ten times taller

well theyre not unaffordable to everyone, and if the people who can afford them moved in there then the shitty apartments they move out of would become more affordable

and if youre gonna build ugly ass buildings somewhere it might as well be williamsburg since the pre existing buildings are also ugly ass

but like i said making pretty tall building is way preferable

building super tall buildings in Brooklyn is one more step towards nyc becoming the america blade runner, which is what everybody involved in the discussion agrees on is the best possible outcome

totally

i remember standing on the brooklyn bridge once looking all at midtown and downtown and north jersey and brooklyn and long island city and thinking this is a pretty cool ass place but you know what would even be cooler if it was like ten times as big <<an actually thought i had

this is a cool map btw http://bdon.org/2013/09/12/building-age-nyc

building super tall buildings in Brooklyn is one more step towards nyc becoming the america blade runner, which is what everybody involved in the discussion agrees on is the best possible outcome

convincing post, I rescind my objections

this is a cool map btw http://bdon.org/2013/09/12/building-age-nyc

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:43 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wow. that's cool. if accurate my building in the slope is from 1899.

I was hanging out on the LIC waterfront recently and I thought it looked like it was designed for people who did not want to feel the slightest reminder that they were in New York City.

that is the most confusing thing about so much new construction

I sorta feel like a lot of people live in the city who actually hate living in the city (or cities).
and they don't know it yet about themselves, but I do.

maybe these buildings look like dorms and people are trying to relive their cool college years?

I sorta feel like a lot of people live in the city who actually hate living in the city (or cities).
and they don't know it yet about themselves, but I do.

― chinavision!, Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

I think those lower manhattan buildings are not bad looking, but what's going on in the lower sections -- is that like a parking garage or mall-style retail or something?

do you need me to read the article 4 u

The development would include retail markets, restaurants, office space, a movie theater, parks, an Andy Warhol Museum and 1,000 apartments.

kewl

busy ass spot to live at imho right at the foot of the bridge

i just hope it's not mall-style like south street seaport though -- the big footprint of the lower half of the building makes it look like some stuff must face the interior of the building. But maybe that's just the movie theater and "Andy Warhol Museum"

that's how I feel about all those new downtown BK buildings like Oro, you're living in a tower above a big congested Manhattan Bridge on-ramp (xpost)

that South Street Seaport mall closed! think they're just building a nicer mall there though basically

if i lived in a building w a movie theater id prob see every movie

xp yeah I know, it was a huge failure.

people who build malls inside of cities are disgusting savages imo

my building is from 1964, and i'm pretty sure the air conditioner is an original.

i look forward to when you can travel everywhere you need to go via sky bridges and you never need to touch the ground

http://i.imgur.com/EVY0NzD.jpg

acme smoked fish facility is on gem iirc

I fucking love Acme

Used to kill a tub of whitefish salad

Was just back in the Graham Ave area yesterday and was glad to see Carmine's is still going strong. Took the kids for a slice. So good.

anybody been to the Park Church Co-Op - the huge Lutheran cathedral on the edge of McGorlick park? Apparently they have movie showings and alcohol there now for some events?