DREAMACHINE

no one bit when I posted this on ILM

has anyone on here made a Gysin style dream machine? I read an article once giving instructions but I don't have a 78 rpm player.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamachine

-- dmr, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:17 (Yesterday) Link

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hmmmm the wiki says u can try it at 45 ...

-- dmr, Thursday, 20 December 2007 22:19 (Yesterday) Link

http://boomer-cafe.net/version2/images/stories/choses/beathotel/La%20Dream%20Machine%20de%20Ian%20Sommerville%20et%20Brion%20Gysin%20dans%20une%20chambre%20du%20Beat%20Hotel.jpg

I want to try this shit

http://bp0.blogger.com/_ZhiIXGz0r8g/Rer715N9fZI/AAAAAAAAAyc/Z0YiYLU-OcY/s400/dream-machine.jpg

http://www.legendsmagazine.net/105/brion.jpg
http://www.randform.org/blog/wp-content/2006/10/409px-Dreamachine.jpg

http://www.netliberty.net/dreamachine.html#

^^^ check it

I have made a dreamachine. I did not get any (non drug assisted) visuals from it, though. Still, lots of fun and very pretty.

i was going to make one with an old record player a while ago but never got around to it

gonna try elmo's web-based one when I get off work

when i was 10 or 11, i remember using one of those light & sound hypnosis machines that my dad had purchased out of the back of discover magazine or somewhere -- they work on the same premise, using stroboscopic flickering on the inside of a pair of huge black sunglasses. i definitely got some visuals out of that, though they were mostly amorphous, recursive patterns and such.

I used to be obsessed with this stuff...mind machines, binaural beats, all this stuff about triggering different brain wave patterns with audio and visual stimulus, the calming effect of a flickering candle or fire, the ganzfield effect, isolation chambers etc.

Probably because I didn't do drugs.

slightly related: saw a commercial last night for LITE BRITE FX and am tempted to buy one

http://www.todaysparent.com/images/toys/2005/schoolage04.jpg

you kinda have to see it in motion to get the full o_0 zomg little kids be tripping on neon paint effect

it spins and has preprogrammed beats!!

also -- again from personal experience -- vocally describing the things you are seeing on the inside of your eyelids has a profound effect on the complexity and clarity of the things you 'see.' for me, at least. you start out describing colored splotches that slowly solidify into recognizable object, etc.... although this is more along the lines of free-association 'visualization' than actual drug-type hallucination.

i was a totally creepy kid like this, i remember hypnotizing some middle-school classmates using a script i read out of a book while everyone was on the bus on a field-trip

another link w/ stuff from gen p-orridge:

http://brainwashed.com/h3o/dreamachine/booklet.html

I keep getting this thread mixed up with "Flickr Fetish". Same thing, right?

hahaha

no knee socks in this one (thankfully)

"Had a transcendental storm of
color visions today in the bus going
to Marseilles. We ran through along
a long avenue of trees and I
closed my eyes against the setting
sun. An overwhelming flood of
intensely bright patterns in
supernatural colors exploded
behind my eyelids: a multi-
dimensional kaleidoscope whirling
out through space. I was out in a world
of infinite number. The vision
stopped abruptly as we left the
trees."

BRION GYSIN's JOURNAL.
21st December 1958

I've made both a record turntable dreammachine and a microcontroller goggles version.

If you are following the common template for record player version, it's key that the record player spins at 78. Otherwise the stroboscopic frequencies are all wrong and there's no effect.

If you're handy enough with a soldering iron and have a serial cable, I'd suggest this:

http://www.makezine.com/10/brainwave/index.csp?page=last&x-order=date

I always found it hard to find a comfortable posture when using the turntable style one. I wish I had some online pictures of the goggles version I made because it looks pretty damn cool.

Doesn't noise band "white mice" have one

when i was 10 or 11, i remember using one of those light & sound hypnosis machines that my dad had purchased out of the back of discover magazine or somewhere -- they work on the same premise, using stroboscopic flickering on the inside of a pair of huge black sunglasses. i definitely got some visuals out of that, though they were mostly amorphous, recursive patterns and such.

Was it one of those where you put the glasses on, stare at a light, and blow through a tube to make "fans" go 'round and flicker?

The effect was kinda like that weird dithering you get in the corners of your eyes when you come down off of acid.

it was more like a set of wrap-around geriatric sunglasses with a couple flashing christmas lights mounted on the inside of the lens.

Just finished making one today. So far I've only tried it sober but I got some cool visuals/patterns. Saw a very clearly defined radiating cross for a few seconds.

And mine's 45/33. I find that 33 works better but it can be a bit overwhelming. Thinking about changing to a dimmer bulb.

A buddy of mine told me there are a few iphone/ipad apps that simulate this kinda stuff. Has anyone tried any of them?

If you are following the common template for record player version, it's key that the record player spins at 78. Otherwise the stroboscopic frequencies are all wrong and there's no effect.

This is not quite true. If you just do the math and adjust the intervals/number of holes you can get the same frequencies.

I have gotten more stimulating visual effects from pressing my palms against my eyelids than I ever got from my dreamachine.
I do have optic neuritis, so that may be a factor.

the one i made i used several times without much of a result but one time it got kinda 3-d and was pretty impressive, made me think of it working like those magic eye images where you have to relax your eyes

I replaced the bulb last night with one with a lower wattage and tried to stare through one layer, focusing on the wall behind it, and when i closed my eyes I saw all kinds of wild kaleidoscopic things. Then later i think it put me in a hypnagogic state, but I might've just been really high.

what plans did you use to build it

These: http://www.interpc.fr/mapage/westernlands/dreamachine.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WayMSuD9j1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_jhwz7Q2CQ

That was the first tune I listened to while using it.