Тарковский Андрей Арсеньевич

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haha dont get me started

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Andrei Rublev is my favorite film of all time.

mine too!

i mean but/and stalker is top five too

voted stalker - tho i havent nearly seen them all

from the 70s sci-fi poll thread, with bonus image and free zing:

I love tarkovsky, but apparently I have some heretical views on him.

andrei rublev - this is my favorite movie, ever, so it towers over everything else in his BoW not to mention all of filmdom. my great love is for the 185 minute cut though, which is pretty much unavailable in the US. there is no perfect version of rublev in existence, and if there is it's certainly not the criterion workprint. their labeling it a "director's cut" is one of the more grotesque instances of marketing-driven abuse of the term. however, the film in any format is a bloody brutal love letter to creative types everywhere.

when the painter apprentice rublev and his teacher theophanes engage in a spririted debate about the morality of pandering to an audience, it's soooo far from the tarkovsky cliche of characters as stoic marble-shitting oil paintings. hey I'm an atheist so I shouldn't care about the christ and all that but the screenwriting is so fucking good it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

Theophanes: All right, tell me in all honesty, are our people ignorant or not... I can't hear you!

Andrei: Yes, ignorant! But who's to blame for that?

Theophanes: Their stupidity is to blame!

Andrei: Have you never sinned because you're ignorant?

Theophanes: Yes, I have, too. O God, forgive, reconcile, and curb our passions! The Day of Judgement is coming. We'll all burn like candles.

Mind my word, it will be hell! People will lump the blame for their sins on one another, justifying themselves before the Almighty.

Andrei: I don't understand how you can paint, having thoughts like that. You even accept praise. I'd have taken vows of schema long ago and settled down in a cave for good.

Theophanes: I serve God, not people. Today they praise, tomorrow they'll abuse what they praised only yesterday, and after that they'll forget both you and me. They'll forget everything! All is vanity! All is useless!

The human race has already perpetrated all stupidities and wrongs, and now it's just repeating them. Everything falls back into place again, and goes round and round... If Jesus came back to Earth again, He would be crucified once more!

Andrei: If you remember only evil, you can never be happy before God.

Theophanes: What?

Andrei: Maybe some things should be forgotten, but not everything. I don't know how to say it...

Theophanes: If you don't know, then be silent! Listen to me!

Andrei: You think that good can be done only single-handedly?

Theophanes: Good? Have you forgotten the New Testament? Jesus gathered people in the temples, too. He taught them. And then they gathered together in order to execute Him.

"Crucify him!" they shouted. And His disciples? Judas betrayed Him, Peter renounced Him. They all abandoned Him! And they were the best!

Andrei: But they repented!

Theophanes: That was much later, don't you understand? When it was too late.

Andrei: It's true, people do evil, too. And it's very sad. Judas had sold Christ out. But do you remember who bought Him? The people? No, the Pharisees and their scribes. They couldn't find any witnesses, no matter how hard they tried. Who would slander Him, the innocent?

And the Pharisees were great deceivers, literate and cunning. They even learned to read and write in order to gain power, taking advantage of His ignorance. People ought to be reminded more often that they're human beings, that all Russians are of one blood and of one land!

Evil can be found anywhere. There will always be those ready to sell you for 30 pieces of silver. And the Russian man gets more and more misfortunes. The Tatars raid him thrice a season, then comes a famine or a plague. But he keeps working and working, bearing his cross with humility. Never despairing, but enduring it silently. And only praying to God to give him enough strength to endure. Can the Almighty not forgive such men their ignorance?

You know it yourself that whenever something goes wrong, or you're exhausted and despairing, and suddenly... you meet some human eyes, and it works as if you took a Communion, and the weight is lifted from your heart.

Isn't it so?

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mirror - his next best, and although it's as conventional as a candy squid, it's actually a good place to start for a newbie. free flowing and spot on, like good jazz or poetry.

solaris - occasionally tarkovsky tried a little too hard for the "epic" vibe, and this film is a casualty. would be better if the first 45 minutes were lopped off. after that it's a pretty heady + paranoid little film but by that time you might be too stupified to notice.

stalker - his most overrated film in my book. he shot a large part of the film and then had it destroyed by a careless lab, forcing him to start again from scratch. sometimes I wonder if that took some of the wind out of his sails (though he was no stranger to operating under adversity). the philosophical psychobabble of the characters gets irritating after a while. hands up, who wants to slap the writer? the ending gets me though, that understated effortless imagism, talk about sticking the landing.

ivan's childhood - arguably a sounder film than stalker, but he was still aping bergman at this point and hadn't struck his own path.

I'm saving nostalghia and the sacrifice for the day I need them.

moral: never bring up tarkovsky on a thread I'm reading.

-- Edward III, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:07 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Link

That post is almost as long as Andrei Rublev itself.

-- James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, February 13, 2008 9:34 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Link

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We'll all burn like candles!

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^^^ ever notice that one of the people persecuting the pagans on st john's day is kiril? I'd seen the movie 5 or 6 times before I noticed this.

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Why is this on Noize?!

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tarkovsky is noize

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Edward, these are great!

thx!

anyway the guy fought the 20th century's most repressive govt in order to baffle and stupify his audiences with fuck-you long takes and got lung cancer shooting stalker in a polluted hydroelectric plant that's pretty noize

stills are from the appendix of a paper I wrote on rublev

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^^ maybe my favorite scene of anything everrrr

You've created such a feast, such a joy for people. Why are crying?

lol @ why are crying

authentic russky speak

is this star wars for commies

Andrei: Why are crying?
Boriska: DO NOT WANT

also i love the psychobabble in stalker! its like basically the same as the religio-babble in rublev, right?

not if yr lapsed catholic dude

then rublev religio-babble is like reading the newspaper

The human race has already perpetrated all stupidities and wrongs, and now it's just repeating them.

^plus rublev has high truth bomb quotient^

UH WHAT IF YOUR LAPSED CATHOLIC WITH ANXITYE??

yeah agreed, AR has higher truth bomb quotient; stalker is slipperier

The themes of Andrei Rublev suggest that the modern individual must stay engaged with events of the world, no matter how disheartening, distressing, or dangerous they become. For Tarkovsky this is a moral directive. The darkest moments of the film are bereft of mercy, forgiveness, and communication, however, the final message is that it doesn’t matter whether one is an artist, inventor, freethinker, or just a crank alone in a room; to withdraw, to resign oneself to isolation, to avoid the difficulties of existence and eschew the vulnerability of love, is to give up what it means to be alive. As Andrei tells Theophanes, “People ought to be reminded more often that they're human beings.”

voted for Mirror but fuck it I'm watching Rublev again, tonight

though I've already seen it maybe five times and I still haven't seen Nostalgia, and I should be all about that russian / italian axis plotline, but every time I'm in the mood I keep going for the ones I know are inexhaustible

Vyacheslav Ovchinnikov's score for Andrei is so key, it's all modestly recorded small ensemble playing moody 20th century soundbeds but every once in a while there's a 3 second splice of reversed tape on a percussion impact just to underline something surreal, I only notice those moments when listening to the CD, in the film it's so blended that it seems appropriate

there's some differences in the soundtrack between the 205 minute cut and the 185 minute cut, most notably during the st john's eve pagan celebration.

if you love andrei rublev you should pick up the r2 artificial eye dvd, which is the 185 minute cut. it has much better image quality than the criterion and it's anamorphic as well. incidentally also on sale at amazon.co.uk now for <$20:

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I hear the artificial eye versions are better overall? can you talk about any differences with the Mirror editions?

the US kino version has a wonky color scheme, the UK AE version is much better.

I have never seen any of this shit, I better get started

tarkovsky dvd buying guide

ivan's childhood - US criterion

andrei rublev - US criterion (205 minute) *and* UK artificial eye or french mk2 (185 minute) yeah you need both

solaris - US criterion

mirror - UK artificial eye or french mk2

stalker - UK artificial eye or french mk2

voyage in time - best version comes with UK artificial eye version of nostalghia, however the transfer of nostalghia is not great

nostalghia - US fox lorber

sacrifice - swedish film institute

it's kind of surprising how hard it is to find decent dvds of some of his films. non-anamorphic, PAL-to-NTSC transfers, fucked-up audio, etc seem to be the rule rather than the exception.

tarkovsky's book of polaroids, instant light, is great. if I was a serious photographer I'd probably break my camera after seeing what he was able to do with a polaroid land camera.

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whoaaa those are beautiful! thanks for posting em dogg

would love to see tarkovsky cellphone pics

those polaroids are dope!

*just ordered that book*

Edward -- where did you find those?

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the saturation and tone of the colors in his polaroids is EXACTLY the same as in the mid-pd movies, is that just what russia looks like?

Edward -- where did you find those?

IN A STEAMER TRUNK

actually the book was first published back in 2003 in italy, then uk followed on with an edition. I think the first time I saw them was in this guardian review?

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the saturation and tone of the colors in his polaroids is EXACTLY the same as in the mid-pd movies, is that just what russia looks like?

srsly! i thought the same thing

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Where is the love for Sculpting in Time?

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Does Арсеньевич mean "Son of Arsenio"?

Just.

d'oh, missed this. no vote for "Ностальгия"?? I would have just going by the last time I saw most of these.. but I should watch again soon. i've got a term paper around somewhere abt the long tracking shots in rublev, is that the word for it? there is a neat documentary too abt filming "the sacrifice" where they show the long plan with the burning house at the end.. all in one take but something messed up the first time so they had basically one chance to rebuild everything & film it again.

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new blu-ray of the sacrifice is out now, sounds like they got it right this time