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We may as well do one of these kind of threads...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 December 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I got all four of Sting and Vader's WCW PPV matches off of PWTorrents. Sweet Christ Vader was awesome back then. You forget how exciting a big man can be if he's just allowed to crush people left right and centre. Sting makes for an awesome babyface doing all it takes to win (you can really see, especially in the 7-12-92 match, how much of an influence Borden was on The Rock when he took on monster heels). And Harley Race as a manager! Fuck a Cornette, that's how you get heat on your boy. Shame he'd cut the mutton chops off by then, but you can't have everything.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 December 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Eddie G vs Jericho from Fall Brawl 1997. Awesome. Makes me want the Guerrero DVD lots - Eddie had this weirdly graceful quality, especially on that frogsplash. IT'S ALMOST...HYPNOTIC. Induced a lot of misty-eyed nostalgia for WCW's uncercard c1996-98, meticulous attention to psychology, crazy-ass movesets and y'know, Eddie not being dead.

Also the Benoit in Japan stuff from his DVD, soundtracked by Malenko and Benoit answering confused questions from Todd thingy. The new-ish speccy one, not Pettengill, that'd be kind of awesome.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Friday, 23 December 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I must get on those Vader/Sting matches, I've seen the one where Sting spoilers wins with a top rope splash but that's it. Vader was genuinely scary eg breaking Mick Foley's nose, on camera, for the hell of it.

2005 fat/falls over a lot Vader: not so much. Shame.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Friday, 23 December 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

i went through this phase back in 1997-1999 where i'd buy all these All-Japan, New-Japan, Michinoku Pro and Toryumon tapes, but i lost the match listings, so i've been going through them and trying to write down the matches just by trying to guess the wrestlers involved. i'm kinda ashamed that i actually do remember most of them (except New-Japan heavyweights... can't tell them apart for the life of me)... i've yet to pull out the Super J Cup/Top Of The Juniors comps, so i'm looking forward to my time off.

i've NEVER seen the Sting/Vader series, or any pre-Nitro/non-Saturday Night WCW for that matter... probably on my to-watch list. Vader just scared me through the Apter rags, and his legend just grew through my own imagination. his U.S. career arguably ended with his feud with Hulk Hogan (surprise); he was as threatening as Earthquake after that.

i'm drawing a blank here... which monster heels have The Rock faced?

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Friday, 23 December 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

The only monster heel I can think of having seen the Rock wrestle is Brock Lesnar, who the fans decided to cheer for over the Rock when they faced each other (Summerslam '02?). Regardless, it was a cool match. The Rock slingshotted Brock into the ring post on the outside, Lesnar takes the bump in a awesome looking way. Is Lesnar the best big man since Vader?

Lately I've been into a comp I got of Kevin Sullivan's Satan worshipping gimmick segments from the NWA florida territory in the 70s-80s. Video quality is shit unfortunately but I have to see more Florida stuff.

theodore (herbert hebert), Friday, 23 December 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

The Rock worked with The Big Show post his split from the Corporation (back when he was booked as a genuine threat and not 500 pounds of comedy), plus I can clearly see him wrestling The Undertaker during his phoney face run prior to Survivor Series 1998. And there's a cage match against Kane in my memory somewhere...

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 December 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I have to get back on pwtorrents. They always had server issues but it looks like they've got their shit together with real logins and stuff.

I've never seen any of the Sting-Vader matches either! [friendly reminder ... we have a wrestling YSI thread]

A couple of weeks ago I took inventory on one of my recent WWE TV tapes. The Atlanta RAW (Rockers reunion, Jake the Snake, Benoit v HHH in an "Everyone Knows That Benoit Is Returning the Job From WMXX Because It's the One Year Anniversary of His Big Win and HHH has Been Jobbing To Him All Year" Match), Cena's RAW debut (it was all downhill from there), Matt Hardy jumping Edge (back when that meant something), etc.

I also re-watched the famous Taue/Kawada vs Misawa/Kobashi match from June 1995 that a lot of people say is the best tag match ever. They might be right. I am hurting for Japanese wrestling kinda bad these days. Have any of you seen the Misawa vs Kawada match from earlier this year?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 December 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

xpost only the match with Lesnar was any good though. It's amazing that Wight looks skinny during that feud with Rock in 2000 (compared to what he looks like now) but back then everybody thought he was a fat fuck (and was sent to OVW a few months later, in fact).

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 23 December 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think I shall YSI some of those Sting/Vader matches later on... TEW calls me for now.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 23 December 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

The Kawada/Misawa match was alright, but Kobiashi/Sasaki from the card was utterly ridiculous. MOTY, by far and away (with only Samoa Joe/Necrobutcher being close).

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 23 December 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, yeah, that's my #1 YSI need for the year: Joe vs Necro B. Anyone?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 December 2005 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

Last week I posted Joe vs. Necro on the YSI thread. I'll try an re-up it tonight.

theodore (herbert hebert), Saturday, 24 December 2005 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Necro/Samoa Joe is great. Fantastic backstory, argurably the two best workers in the US (albiet VERY different styles), going AT IT. Its tough for me to suspend disbelief in pro wrestling for very long, but when it comes to folks who can succeed at doing it, Joe and Necro are at the top of the list in the modern day. And good god is it all worth it.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 24 December 2005 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

The Kawada/Misawa match was alright, but Kobiashi/Sasaki from the card was utterly ridiculous. MOTY, by far and away (with only Samoa Joe/Necrobutcher being close).

From the sounds of it, Kobashi vs Sasaki was just the two of them slapping the shit out of each other for the entire match. In other words, much the same storyline as Kawada vs Sasaki from 2000, which was also hailed as MOTY by fans of strong style / super-stiff matches.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 24 December 2005 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

That chop battle was fucking insane.

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Saturday, 24 December 2005 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I was just thinking of the pre-Survivor Series RAW match between The Rock and The Undertaker, just because I was surprised that Rock was able to get a clean pin over The Undertaker (especially with McMahon & co. roaming at ringside, just waiting to give UT the tainted victory). In my eyes, it cemented The Rock's elevation to main event status and perhaps the last time I remember such a nice slow build from upper midcard to main event, with consistently increasing momentum.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Saturday, 24 December 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

>From the sounds of it, Kobashi vs Sasaki was just the two of them slapping the shit out of each other for the entire match. In other words, much the same storyline as Kawada vs Sasaki from 2000, which was also hailed as MOTY by fans of strong style / super-stiff matches.<

Its definitely not "just the two of them slapping the shit out of each other", but god, the chop sequence was unholy awesome. When I heard about it, I had mixed feelings, but when you see it, its fucking ILL. And there's some great sequences with the near countout to Kobiashi and the whole finish is superb. I know a lot of people are pimping stuff from Arena Mexico (if you ask me, Mistico is blessed to have the guys he does to bump and sell for him), but there's nothing around that touches Sasaki/Kobiashi. Nothing. The whole NOAH dome show (except really for the gaijin stuff) is ace. A worthy buy.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 24 December 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

For another of those great contests, check out the Samoa Joe/AJ Styles/Daniels 3-way X-Div Championship from the TNA ppv over the summer. Joe & AJ Styles get into a KICKING contest with Daniels' head/back/neck being the target.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 24 December 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

just got the DVD to this year's Survivor Series-
mostly I watch Raw and Impact - but I think I might start getting the
OVW DVDs

DJ JOE INC (DJ JOE INC), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't seen Sasaki vs Kobashi yet, but I just watched Samoa Joe vs Kobashi from ROH. It's a similar sort of match -- an ungodly number of strikes (at one point, Kobashi hits about 90 consecutive chops, no that is not an exaggeration and yes I lost count after a while), crazy intensity, and unbelievable crowd heat.

I hadn't seen a Kobashi match since his March 2003 GHC title win over Misawa. It's really too bad that we'll never see 1995 Kobashi vs 2005 Joe -- two very agile big men with vast movesets, amazing striking ability, and a somewhat sickening talent for taking insane head bumps. Now that his knees are balls of goo, Kobashi has to rely on the bumps and chops more than ever, but he can certainly still tell a great story in the ring.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 December 2005 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

I gotta join you guys in giving props to Kobashi vs Sasaki -- it's an incredible match, and the chop battle (I counted 187 of them) was off the charts. It was a very well structured match and there wasn't nearly as much no-selling as I was led to believe. In fact there was a lot more no-selling in the Misawa vs Kawada main event (and in far worse spots too, as Misawa timed his comebacks around no-selling, as opposed to the way Kobashi uses the pop-up delayed sell to build drama). I have major MAJOR problems with that match, the main ones being, 1) the crowd was totally burned out after Kobashi/Sasaki, 2) I hate it when MisaHHHwa goes over with the fucking elbow, 3) the big moves were unbelievably sloppy (95% Misawa's fault) and hurt the finishing sequence badly (there was zero pop for the finish).

MisaHHHwa was diagnosed with a degenerative eye condition that will force him into retirement soon, so we're nearing the end of his spotlight-hogging ways.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 2 January 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

I also caught Kobashi defending the GHC title vs Taue in Sept 2004. Having never been a huge fan of Taue's work, along with the fact that he's been mainly stuck in six man tags two matches into the card, I wasn't sure what to expect. I'd heard that he can still bring the goods when asked, but was shocked nonetheless when he won the GHC title a few months ago.

Dammit if he's not as great in this match as he's ever been. The crowd was completely behind him for the entire second half of the match, and totally deflated when Kobashi retained. I'm sure if they'd known that Rikio would flop so badly as champion then they would have moved the belt onto Taue here.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 2 January 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

just watched The Hurricane vs AJ Styles... that whole site is pretty awesome

I also saw the AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe match at Turning Point a few days ago, and man, that was brutal. Probably my favourite match in recent memory.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Monday, 2 January 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm now watching the 2nd Akio vs Paul London match on Velocity. London takes an insane bump, getting his foot caught in the ropes while attempting a back flip counter and landing on his head.

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Tuesday, 3 January 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that is a great site.
I found this clip on it, and I submit it here for everyones appraisal.

http://www.youtube.com/w/Teddy-Hart-Promo%21?v=8-GyIYMJS4c&search=teddy%20hart

Typically you here only bad things about this guy, but I don't yet understand why he isn't everybody's favorite current performer in wrestling.

theodore (herbert hebert), Friday, 6 January 2006 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

It must take considerable control for that man to hold the mike like that for so long.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 6 January 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
"20 Years Too Soon: The Superstar Billy Graham Story"

I didn't realise that Dusty Rhodes stole so much of his promo style from the Superstar.

He really let himself go between losing the title in 1978 and returning to wrestling in 1980. Doing drugs and lying in bed for two years + cycling on and off steroids = BAD FOR YOU. Physique-wise, he went from Scott Steiner 2000 (= Superstar Billy Graham 1978, of course) to Ric Flair 2006 in just two years.

The Vince and HHH ass-kissing at the end was a bit revolting, actually. HHH inducted him into the HoF, yeah that was worth going out of their way to put him over at the end of Superstar's doc. OTOH, Vince cries on camera in the final scene, if you're into that.

I wish there had been more about how the Superstar character was created, and *why* he felt the need to break the mold the way he did -- did he feel that wrestling lacked certain character types, or that the era of the larger-than-life heroes like Bruno was coming to an end? (although it obv. wasn't, with Hogan on the horizon)

Still, it's definitely recommended.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 January 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

They also skimmed over his rise to the top in the WWWF, one minute he's there, the next minute he's ending Bruno's eight-year reign ... whoa, why him?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 January 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm watching this:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/494698/1892550/batistatotti

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 29 January 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

I also saw 20 years Too Soon. I thought the personal biography details were interesting. His early background as a young travelling preacher goes a long way toward explaining why his promo work was so good. Although the overall structure was weird I felt. They really should have opened with an extended clip from his wrestling career, maybe a ring or promo intro which puts him in an iconic light instead of a generic montage and going right into non-fiction personal bio material. There's nothing inherently interesting in simply being ahead of one's time and there's definitely more unique and idiosyncratic aspects to Superstar Graham as an entertainer than that fact alone but the documentary doesn't showcase enough to sell him as more interesting than a building block for today's sports entertainment.

These are two fun matches I found on different web sites.

Carly Colon vs. Tully Blanchard -Puerto Rico early 80s.
This was shot on a single camera, mostly from far away with roughly executed zooms and pans and this helps showcase how well each performer is actually playing to the large live crowd; telling a story without benefit of close-ups. Blanchard's primary heelisms occur at the opening with a repetition of energetic stalling spots; he fakes a quick approach to lock up then backs away with slower arrogance. Colon's frustration builds reacting to Blanchard's psyche-out tactics. Creative guard rail spots on extreme stage left, then extreme stage right. Without giving away the finish, I think the lesson is that cheating, short cuts, and general unsportsman-like conduct will bring bad accidental karma one's way.

Giant Baba vs Stan Hansen Japan 80s
I've only recently discovered Hansen and I enjoy his work for what are probably the same reasons lots of other people still care about his matches today. I particularly like how he utilizes his whole body whilst selling another's offense or the strain of infliciting pain on someone else. Case in point is this match's opening, when Hansen places his boot on Baba's throat in the corner, Hansen sells the force his legs exact by broadly expressing his shoulder contractions which is a magician's misdirection tactic to diminsh the audience's detail focus on how the move is actually being applied. Also as he's choking Giant Baba in the corner, the pre-match streamers continue to rain down into the ring and oddly with greater intensity than before the bell rang, leading to a strangely beautiful chaos of motion filling the frame.

Giant Baba's showing his age; tiny arms, a reverse mohawk shape receding hairline, and some pained struggle apparent in really basic movements so Hansen does some bumping all over for him. Baba, to his credit, does a pretty good job selling a kick to the face in falling backwards with a slow then shockingly sudden impact. After that it became apparent to me that Baba's age helps establish a visual dichotomy in the match since the vulnerability he projects in the situation makes his physical welfare seem precarious in dealing with such a reckless force of instinct driven disorder personafied by Hansen. And only now do I understand how natural it is that many of the Stan Hansen matches that I've seen have ended in double DQ pull apart brawls. This standard Hansen match finish reveals that the unbottled energy brought into the arena by his reckless gestures were enough to overtake the atmosphere and define the context by his very prescence.

theodore (herbert hebert), Saturday, 4 February 2006 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

TS: Baba at the end of his career vs Andre at the end of his career. In retrospect, both guys were hurting badly and probably had no business being in the ring. The fact that they managed to hold onto their mystique for so long is a testament to good booking and the fan attitudes of the era (modern crowds wouldn't tolerate such poor work).

I recently saw Heavenly Bodies vs Thrillseekers from SMW. This is the match where Jericho wrestles with a broken arm and bleeds buckets. Whatever happened to THAT Lance Storm? Where did his personality go?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Whatever happened to THAT Lance Storm? Where did his personality go?

How was he in SMW?

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

In WCW and WWE (and ECW too, I guess) he used mainly a mat-based style with a few highspots thrown in. As part of the Thrillseekers he was more of a daredevil. His style was more like Jericho's. Maybe working with Jericho brought it out, and of course those guys trained together in Calgary so it's not shocking that they're styles would be so similar. Admittedly, I've seen very very little of his pre-ECW work, but he seemed like a much more dynamic performer in his earlier days (I want to look for some Thrillseekers promos now).

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

The infamous WARYR lecture: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1288024085234222154&q=warrior

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Esteban, your google vid find inspired me to do some wrestling related searching on my own and well...

here's a trailer for an upcoming religous themed bio-pic that tells the life story of wrestling superstar Sting. Evidently one Steve "Sting" Borden offered to portray himself in the major motion picture. The fantasy sequences seem nutty.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=362188899930984667&q=sting+moment+of+truth

theodore (herbert hebert), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)


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