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I know nothing of this guy other than what has been on Raw, but we've had a run in recent months of people getting long hypes, week after week of trailers then live appearances (not much in the way of matches) and then the new star vanishing or slipping way down the card a few weeks later. Maybe this guy is a fucking great wrestler, I don't know, but I've never seen one that looks so certain to be a big anticlimax.

(I am now expecting Dom or someone to tell me this guy will be the biggest name of 2005, and he'll undoubtedly be right...)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago)

ha, I just hit submit and then Rosey (Rosie? I've not noticed how they spell it) came in, and Simon Dean dodged and ran away from him. Starting by running away from Rosey doesn't give the impression of a main event star.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago)

running away from Rosey doesn't give the impression of a main event star
Exactly. Regardless, it's not a gimmick you'd give to a main eventer, but it's well suited for a mid-card heel. And yes, Simon Dean (Mike Bucci aka Nova) can wrestle. He'd fit in well with the IC title picture, but it's time to cut the repetitive vignettes and get him in the ring already.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Absolutely: they have leaned too far towards promos and away from actual matches with a lot of people (Heidenreich is another good example). They need to show these people actually being good in the ring to try to sell them, surely.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago)

Haha, but with Heidenreich they have no choice but to load up on the promos and skits because he's a bad wrestler and they don't want to expose him. Of course, they'd be better off not giving these guys big pushes to begin with (and particularly not putting them in programs with Taker, who is the absolute worst choice when it comes to making his opponent look good).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago)

I have no problem with them wanting to give new people big pushes, but by the time I've seen repetitive film clips for four weeks then repetitive live promos for another four weeks I'm already bored with the person - Dean's are particularly poor, since the whole schtick is one-dimensional, and nothing has expanded it beyond the first ten seconds of his first filmed promo. The main problem, as with Heidenreich, is when they then don't give us some impressive matches first, to help us buy the person as a real star in the ring - certainly, as you say, putting him in with the Undertaker for his first serious matches is a big error.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Vignettes help establish characters in ways that matches cannot. WWE was falling into a major rut with new wrestlers having Generic Muscleman Look #5A, with Generic Heavy Metal Intro #9B, wrestling with Generic Movesets, complete with JR's Trademarked "this guy's a hoss", "what a great natural athlete", "he ran a 4.3-40 in college" comments. I like that, via the vignettes, they're trying to distinguish the new guys from the rest of the pack*. But all the vignettes in the world won't make a bit of difference if the guy can't distinguish himself in the ring at some point. Simon Dean can, and it's about time they let him do it. Heidenreich is useless, so we're stuck with straightjackets and dumbass poetry for a while yet.

*this reminds me of an idea for a new thread

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I still really wish they'd done something proper with the sinister amoralist Sean O'Haire thing.

Jericho's premature millennium countdown buildup must've been the best such debut ever, shirley.

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the Sean O'Haire character was great. Then they dumped it so he could be Roddy Piper's lapdog. Then they dumped him.

The Jericho debut was genius, yes, I still get goosebumps watching it years later.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Everything about it was perfect, down to him stroking his chin in consternation after being out-promoed by the Rock

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Friday, 19 November 2004 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I agree that it is desirable to have new people have some sort of character hook - I just think that they have got the balance very wrong indeed, when we get a couple of months of that and no actual wrestling. They have to give us both.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 20 November 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

has he had a proper match yet?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

Simon Dean and ummm oh yeah maven are um gay!! and always will be. simon and his protein shake can be shoved up his a hole!!

― Jessica Marsh, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

yo mike dirnt here from green day i am the bass player for them and occasionally i like to watch the wwe but simon dean, my god, i must say does he enjoy the company of boys or girls? its really hard to tell wif this guy isn't it. I really don't like simon dean he gets on my nerves especially when i hear his annoying music kinda goes like this, nah nah nah nah nah

― Mike Dirnt (greenday), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't like simon dean he gets on my nerves especially when i hear his annoying music kinda goes like this, nah nah nah nah nah

but you're from green day?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

why does green day use aussie ISPs?

― kingfish completely hatstand (Kingfish), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Simon Dean is the hottest best-looking cutest wrestler in the business...and a GREAT wrestler!

― s. smith, Thursday, 29 September 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

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