Rolling RAW 29/11/04 thread [spoilers]

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It's been a while since I've been good and relaxed at home and watching RAW live so I thought I'd start a thread on it.

And I'm good and pissed off already -- so Vince wanders out and overrides Orton's stips right off the bat. Sure, nobody wants a battle royal to decide the World Champ, so WHY DID THEY BOOK IT LAST WEEK?

Ha, Maven just got punked by Eugene.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago)

three left ... it looks like they're down with the batista turn ... I can see him winning this

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:17 (twenty years ago)

OK, maybe not.
It's the Luger/Bret ending!!!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago)

More indepth commentary for Brits pls!

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago)

Right - from what I R gleaning - batoru rowiaru moved to start of show, does not involve HHH, but winner faces him for title. Owing to a 'disputed ending', he's going to be facing Bunwarrrh and Edge in a three-way rinky-dink. Apparently Batista is crazy over with the crowd and they were a touch miffed when he got eliminated.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:25 (twenty years ago)

Vince (to Orton): it doesn't matter what I think, you're the GM, it's your decision.

EXCEPT IT WASN'T HIS CHOICE 20 MINUTES AGO!

Maven: I've been working here for four years and I've got nothing to show for it.

So all those hardcore titles are chopped liver?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, oh no, I've got it all wrong - Benoit and Edge think they're chocolate, but it's down to Orton to decide which one is chew-ing gum! OH NO!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:37 (twenty years ago)

Always with the bait and switch

A year ago I don't think I'd have expected to say they should have pushed Batista instead of Orton

(Orton must pick Benoyt! He is INTENSE and FOR REAL and STRUGGLE and SACRAFICE EIGHTEEN YEERS and stuff!).

Nah, they really need to actually do something with this Edge thing.

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:43 (twenty years ago)

Elsewhere, it's Des Res vs. Eugene & Arkwright, Flair vs. Lawler and, kicking it all off (again) Lita & Victoria vs. Trish & Molly.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Flair vs Lawler, wow! I'm sure they've fought before ... uh, have they?

They're getting so much mileage out of the Edge "I keep getting screwed out of getting a shot at the title" rantings. Now not only are they throwing that away, they're throwing away one of the only fresh matches they have left on the RAW side -- HHH vs Edge. Yeah, it's triple threat, so it's not quite the same thing, but still.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:50 (twenty years ago)

Furthermore, it would appear that Randy justified this Using Maths.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago)

Big Mo Hassan continues to get the audiences het up. What odds on him being the next Nathan Jones?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago)

Flair and Lawler have fought three times previously ... interesting.

WBS, have you seen the Mo Hassan thread?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Mmm, yeah. It is worrying, a little. And yet at the same time, I've not watched wrestling with any degree of regularity since Channel 4 slowly phased out its WWE coverage, but one of the last angles I can remember them having on Heat was when Tiger Ali Singh took over the management of Lo Down, and they came out each week in turbans and veils and adopted comedy Arab names. So at least their geography's improved slightly.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:01 (twenty years ago)

Boy, Lawler looked like shit in there (well, worse than usual), he blew three spots in the last two minutes of the match.

OMG, I'd succeeded in purging the Tiger Ali Singh-led Lo Down from my memory, UNTIL NOW.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Although in that case, the gimmick was something of a punishment/amusement for the booking team, since they had nothing better to do with any of those guys. They made them run around in turbans for a few weeks, getting the security people to not recognize them on the night of the Royal Rumble, and then firing the lot of them.

Hassan looks like he's in line for a big push though. But yeah, so was Nathan Jones, except that anyone who had ever seen Jones in the ring said he was an abomination, but Vince didn't listen. I don't know what kind of a worker Hassan is, but I think they rushed him through the system a bit because they wanted him for this gimmick.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago)

Towards the end of its run on C4, Heat really, really went to shit. Occasionally we'd be forced to sit through half-hour segments of Vince going "AWSTENNN... I HAVE SEEN YOEWWW... MANY TIMES... AS BEINGGG... A PAIN... IN THE *bleeped because we can't have those kind of words on Channel 4 at 1 in the morning*..." (something that might maybe approximate to a heel pop if you dropped it through a few hundred Marshall stacks) followed by a four minute hugfest between Billy Gunn and Perry "HE'S GOT A MOP! HE IS TEH MENTALIST!" Saturn, then some plugging of Armageddon or something. And yet somehow, this was still vastly preferable to watching WCW Worldwide on Channel 5. "Psychosis - he is psychotic!" Thank you, Mr Hudson.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago)

And yet somehow, this was still vastly preferable to watching WCW Worldwide on Channel 5. "Psychosis - he is psychotic!" Thank you, Mr Hudson.
Wow, Schiavone and Hudson stopped talking about Hogan for more than ten seconds and actually acknowledged the cruiserweights?

I still can't believe they fired most of the women's roster and hired the diva search contestants in their place. No wait, I can believe it.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:12 (twenty years ago)

Bear in mind that at no point did WCW Worldwide ever attempt to make sense or offer any kind of continuity. The above quote came from a match he had against Eddie Guerrero which was fairly contemporary when it was first aired, but when it got rerun as part of an entirely different episode of Worldwide six months after Eddie had gone to the WWE... less so. Aside from this, my major memory of Worldwide consists of a main event that involved most of the locker room running into Kevin Nash's left boot. He may then have challenged Sid Vicious or something, but I think by that time we'd decided to watch Celebrity Ready Steady Cook instead.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:17 (twenty years ago)

Right, apparently events back at the RAW-O-Drome have just taken a women-in-underwear-related turn for the implausible. They may well be clamouring over the Randmeister. Reports are unclear at present as they are being written by internet wrestling enthusiasts looking at several women in underwear.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Right, 411 describes it thus:

In the ring, Randy Orton, as your GM, is obligated to deliver to you the hottest show possible, and what's a hot show without hot women? [dumbfounded pose] He's got Maria and the two new ones, but there's something missing: "More hot women." So he wants two more divas: Christy and Baltimore's own Stacy Keibler.

Since it's the holiday season, a time for giving, Orton presents to us the first-ever Raw lingerie fashion show. The contestants have no time to prepare, and Spike TV didn't grant Orton a request for more time on the show, so they're just going to have to undress right now. The fans want it and he wants it. He asks the ladies whether they want to. "Yeess."

And it proceeds, and it takes a while. Orton gets various clothes draped over his shoulder and dancing in front of him. Orton: "I don't know about you guys, but I think that is the best fashion show I've ever seen, and I think it calls for a group hug. Let's hear it for the Raw divas!"

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:27 (twenty years ago)

When will they realize that the joke is over with Eugene?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I take it back ... A MAVEN-EUGENE FEUD, I'VE BEEN WAITING MY WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago)

It's so stupid how they spent weeks teasing the Evolution breakup, then follow through on it last week (except it was a swerve), but they've gone right back to teasing it this week. Sorry, last week's swerve ruined it for me.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago)

They've done two fake Flair turns in 18 months as well

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 03:44 (twenty years ago)

And they've apparently got two disputed endings between two wrestlers in the space of two hours as well...

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Wicked, wicked match ... the problem with the Survivor Series stips is they risked having the faces look like mega-chokers if they controlled the show for four weeks, tried every manner of cheating known to man, and still couldn't get the title off of HHH.

Now they have an interesting situation on their hands ... have the title held up and defended at a PPV ... maybe the January one in Puerto Rico, or at the Rumble? Of course, they could flush the whole angle and have HHH win the title back next week. I'd put even odds on that happening.

A pretty bleh show ... until the awesome main event!

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Yeah that finish sounded really cool as well

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago)

why is vince intent on eliminating a good chunk of wrestlers from the roster and raplacing them with vapid chicks with big fake titties? Im not getting something..

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago)

maybe he gets to shag them

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Was Flair vs Lawler the biggest age aggregate ever in a singles match on primetime? Must be about 110 between them. The lingerie thing was appalling. Maven turning: who cares? The triple threat was good, but contriving two ties in one evening is going too far. I'm guessing Edge might get the title, so that Orton can take it off him a month later at a PPV.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 2 December 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago)

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