Trying to get back into wrestling, help fill me in...

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I haven't really watched it regularly in over 4 years, just caught an episode of Raw or Smackdown here and there. In light of this new WWE board I have decided to watch Raw tonight. What are the main angles being played out that I should know about? Who of new folks that have come on since the WWF/WCW/ECW consolidation are worth paying attention to? etc, etc. And I'm sure I'll have more questions after the show...

Also, what's the deal with this new wrestling channel? DirecTV isn't carrying it yet apparently. Is it gonna be a national thing or select markets only? I'd really like to be able to see some of these non-WWE feds, and right now the only way for me to see TNA is PPV.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 23 August 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The main event is Edge vs. Jericho?
haha it really is like a soap opera in that you'll see the same exact dudes five years later.
I still remember Edge's very first match where he blew an outside the ring dive maneuver and nearly broke some poor jobber's neck. The only other thing I remember is him being involved in some angle with that Gangrel vampire dude.

Hey, the Rock is on! Guess I picked a good night to watch.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok the only thing I really need so far is some Randy Orton backstory. Obviously I missed this guy's entire introduction and buildup. Some Lita history would be nice, too.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Randy Orton is the son of "Cowboy" Bob Orton. Came into WWE... early 2002? Originally pushed as a "straight up from the feeder leagues" guy with little to no gimmick, got a few wins over some notables, mixed it up a bit with the big guys, Triple H was a big fan. Anyway, he injured himself, and then they came up with his money idea, RNN, a weekly RAW segment where Randy Orton would inform you of his injury status, and that he was up to "26% mobility". Comes back as a cocky heel, joins Evolution with Ric Flair, HHH, and Batista, develops the "Legend Killer" gimmick, which is at it entails, and... yeah, where we are now.

Lita used to be a valet for no-hoper Essa Rios, they turned him heel specifically so they could align her with the Hardy Boyz, who were hot at the time. She got over with her tomboy attitude and really sloppy moonsault and visible thong. She played an important part in whatever the Hardyz did over the next few years, then Jeff got fired, her and Matt stayed apart for a while, they turned Matt face for some god unkn own reason, and thus this really bad feud with Kane.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Dom! I had a hunch he might be Cowboy Bob's son...

The only other ??? I saw tonight was Batista. What's his story?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

One of those "brought up from the minors too quickly" big men, he got lucky with the Evolution "nu-Arn Anderson" bodyguard role, and so he's come on leaps and bounds in recent times. Still average at best, but just be happy you missed Nathan Jones.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Nathan Jones? Yeah, never saw him. Sounds like a schmuck to me.
I didn't think Batista would have anything going on other than being Ric Flair's designated buttboy or whatever.
I'm sure I'll have some more questions after Smackdown.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Every week Batista tries to fall out of the ring backwards, and accidentally just lies down on the middle rope instead.

Fergal (Ferg), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I'd noticed that. He needs to learn the basics of working in the ring. Developing a personality richer than 'big tough guy' might help too.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i like batista's deliberate, robotic thrusts to his plow-type attacks on the ropes and in the corners for some reason but i'm mostly just impressed by how fearsome he looks. he really hasn't done more than scream at people to get up off the mat after a powerbomb or something from what i've seen but that summer slam ad i saw a couple weeks ago with him slamming a jumper into the sand and hulking over him, snorting and screaming, was pretty cool.

of course, all of this is probably the result of not seeing a steady stream of monsters over the last decade - last night was the first time i've seen the people's elbow dropped for instance. so who wants to bring me up to speed on the past eight or nine years?

brian badbreath, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Wrestling since 1996:

Hogan turned heel
ECW delivered a minor revolution
WWF Attitude stole all of ECW's ideas and made money out of them
Steve Austin and Mick Foley, who had been WCW midcarders merely 6 years earlier, became the WWF's two hottest faces
WCW got overflooded with aging main eventers and lost viewers heavily.
The Rock happened
HHH happened to a lesser degree
ECW went bankrupt
WCW went bankrupt
The invasion angle sucked
WWF changed it's name to WWE
Not enough Al Snow

That's the past 8 years in wrestling.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Was it just me, or did the Rock seem a little rusty on the mic last night? He didn't seem to be giving the full on Rock delivery like when he was a full-timer. Granted all he had to work with was a pretty lame pie-eating skit, but still.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and Dom:
Not enough Al Snow
OTM

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks, dom.

i could probably google this but how did triple h come to be at the top of the heap?

since i really only knew the rock from movies, i found his ring persona kinda surprising. the rousing motivational speaker delivery didn't really convince me but he did seem quick on his feet with ad libs and such to the crowd and divas. and, y'know, i'm totally impressed he isn't a sell-out hollywood dude now or something. so, yeah, immediately unconvinced but quite optimistic!

i wish i wasn't so long out of it :/

brian badbreath, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"i could probably google this but how did triple h come to be at the top of the heap?"

For one thing he's currently Vince McMahon's son in law. He reportedly has a hand in writing and match bookings.

One theory for why he keeps himself at main event status is the fact that in his earliest wwf days he was ordered to lose badly to the Ultimate Warrior in order to get him over in the ring. He managed to recover but he's very protective about his career since becoming a star.

He's been an effective heel though and less effective babyface. However I couldn't stand his promo last night. It was too long and his tone was too enraged. They should have given Evolution some time to be cocky after giving Orton the beat down and possibly add a new member to the group so they become a more believably threatening force. They're rushing the story so quickly though. It's bad if they're planning the story only on a week to week basis without an eye for how it will play out down the road.


herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, you've sold the Ultimate Warrior loss a bit short there. There was a backstage powerbase known as The Clique, consisting of Shawn Michaels, Scott "Razor Ramon" Hall, Kevin "Diesel" Nash, Triple H, and, too a lesser degree Sean Waltman (123 Kid/Syxx/X-Pac) and Peter Polaco (Aldo Montoya/Justin Credible). At the end of one supercard, the last before Nash and Hall defected to WCW, after HHH had beaten Hall and Michaels Nash, all four broke character in the ring, embraced, and thanked the fans for their support. This is as close to heresy in wrestling as possible, and so someone needed to be punished. Hall and Nash were now in WCW, and Michaels was champion, so it all fell upon Tripsy's shoulders.

HHH works best as an angry pissed-off heel. I'm thinking some of his star-making matches with Mick Foley in 2001.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

He worked well on the turn back to heel after the love-triangle thing with Kurt Angle, which was often very funny, at the point when Austin was looking for the man behind his hit-and-run. That show where he tells Austin 'don't trust anybody' and then seems to come out to the ring to rescue him, to the cheering of all the fans - and then smashes Austin down with the hammer and shouts something like "You dumb son of a bitch! It was always me! Who else could it have been?" was very good. I think he works well in his high role - he is a strong wrestler, and has been in many excellent matches, and I think he may be the best dramatic actor in the talky bits that the WWE has ever had.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

At Summerslam, when he pulled Lilian Garcia in the way to protect himself from Eugene, then threw her on the floor face first and kicked Eugene in the head as he bent over to help her, that was pretty awesome Evil Heel shit.

Shortly afterwards, he went down holding his leg, and the ref did the Proper Non Kayfabe Injury Serious This Time signal, and then Trips gets up, twats Eugene from behind, and the ref goes up to him and shouts really angrily and this superb delighted grin just spreads across his face. That was totally fucking awesome.

Fergal (Ferg), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"all four broke character in the ring, embraced, and thanked the fans for their support. This is as close to heresy in wrestling as possible,"
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), August 25th, 2004.

That's Interesting, I wasn't aware that is what led to HHH jobbing to Warrior. I remember a weird early DX era Monday Night Raw opening segment when HHH and Shawn Michaels were goading Vince McMahon and they played a crude camcorder footage of the Clique embracing on the titantron. McMahon begins to explode with shocked rage while DX point at each other sarcastically saying, "b-but you were a good guy I was a bad guy."
I didn't get the smart mark reference at the time, and I'm frankly surprised they expected many people others to, so I found it strange, dark, and confusing. At the same time I paid closer attention to wwf programming than I had been because I knew they had the potential to surprise me.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What the heck happened to scoopswrestling.com? I used to love the snarky smartmark Raw/Nitro reports back in the day but now it seems to have been replaced with pr0n links. Is there a comparable site nowadays? Does the guy (can't recall his name) who did those Raw/Nitro wrap-ups still write online?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one do you mean Aaron? CRZ or Scott Keith? Scott Keith is, as we've said before, the Pitchfork of wrasslin' journalism, try www.insidepulse.com. CRZ's retired I think, he may still be running his forum at www.crz.net.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

addendiums to the last 6 years in (north american) wrestling:

Goldberg happened.
Brock Lesnar happened.
Hulk Hogan wouldn't go away.
Brock Lesnar quit to play football.

Alan Conceicao, Friday, 27 August 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Which one do you mean Aaron? CRZ or Scott Keith?
Dude I can't even remember. I'll try those websites though.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I sometimes enjoy Rick Scaia's columns on www.onlineonslaught.com

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoy NO WRESTLING JOURNALISTS AT ALL BECAUSE THEY ALL FUCKING SUCK.

Except Scotsman, obv.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 28 August 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean "online" wrestling journalists there, UK based grap fans could do a lot worse than pick up a copy of PowerSlam magazine from their local smiths (it's in with the boxing and weightlifting mags usually). Stately Wayne Manor is my boy.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 28 August 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Which one do you mean Aaron? CRZ or Scott Keith?
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Dude I can't even remember. I'll try those websites though.

Turns out it was Chris Hyatte's late '90s Raw/Nitro Mop-Ups I was thinking of.
I didn't end up getting into WWE again after making this thread.
Worth another try? What about TNA?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

Chris Hyatte is apparently having a breakdown on the few internet message boards he hasn't been banned from these days.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

links?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://xxx.olcalwayswins.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5847

Reg required, change xxx to www, never post.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 20 April 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)


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