The Official ILWWE Road to Wrestlemania 21 Thread

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I just marked out like a ten year old. I spent the last five minutes jumping around my apartment like an idiot, watching Batista FINALLY give it to HHH. It's ON, BABY!!!

When they spend an entire show (not to mention the past six months) hyping the Batista contract signing, and can deliver a foregone conclusion in such a satisfying manner, then you know they're onto something good.

So the card is looking like:

(confirmed)

HHH vs Batista
JBL vs Cena
HBK vs Angle

(rumoured)

Orton vs Taker
Matt Hardy vs Snitsky vs Kane

Orton going to Smackdown, turning heel, and ending Taker's Mania streak would do wonders for his career.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

pls recap raw, i missed it.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Here's the gist of it:

We were reminded of the Batista contract signing every two minutes
It looks like they're continuing the build to a Christy-Trish match that will surely kill the women's division once and for all when Christy wins that match (particularly if it's at Mania)
Orton/HBK beat Edge/Xtian in a damn good 20 minute match
Snitsky beat Shelton Benjamin by DQ in a rematch from last week and the match DID NOT SUCK!! Shelton got a good match out of Snitsky before snapping and blasting him with a chair.
Jericho beat Simon Dean
Hassan/Benoit confrontation, "I'm disrespected", "I'm going to shut you up once anc for all" followed by the beatdown and a match announced for next week

Batista signing -- after a backstage segment in which Big Dave overheard HHH admitting that he set up the JBL footage and the attempted vehicular assault (the eavesdropping was icing on the cake, but it was well done), everyone comes out for the big signing, Bisch:"Come to RAW", Long:"Come to Smackdown, playa", HHH:"Do what's right for you and for Evolution", Big Dave:"I've known what I was going to do for a long time" (big pop)(thumbs up)(frowns)(thumbs down)(rips HHH's head off with a lariat and powerbombs him through the table) "see you at Mania, beeyotch!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

The last scene was stretched out for about 15 minutes, but it had to be. And the payoff delivered.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

Four hours later, and I'm still buzzing from that final segment on RAW. I have it on tape and have watched the final few minutes another three times.

Hopefully it's not all downhill from here. They've handled the Batista push almost perfectly so far. I can't see HHH and Batista doing a **** match at Mania, so they'd better book it right.

If the past is any indication, then we're in for six weeks of HHH making Big Dave his bitch on RAW. But if the past were any indication, then they would have blown the Batista push already just like they blew everyone's push over the last few years.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that was a very satisfying final angle. It's not gonna happen, but that WM21 match has to end with a decisive victory for Batista, like a close 15-minute contest until he snaps and squashes HHH in the final 2 minutes.

I'm feeling more and more embarrassed for Flair every Monday. This week was particularly bad. Send him with Orton to Smackdown to take on the Undertaker.

I fear the result of next week's Benoit/Hassan match.

alex in montreal, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

HHH will put Batista over at WM.

The interview with Hassan in this month's RAW magazine is really good.

I think we can be happy that Flair/Foley will not be happening at Wrestlemania.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

I fear the result of next week's Benoit/Hassan match.

In retrospect, it's looking like the pre-NYR Batista-Benoit match completely killed Benoit, while pushing Big Dave into the stratosphere. Benoit's been midcard fodder ever since.

So yeah, I fear that match next week.

It's looking like Benoit and Jericho are tied up in a program with Hassan for Mania. I hope I'm wrong.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

I've enjoyed the Batista push thus far and even though I was amused by Flair and HHH's comic oblivousness throughout the whole thing, I was kind of hoping for some sort of extra twist that never actually came. Like some kind of back up plan for Evolution, the introduction of a new member so they can actually be considered a stable. Not anywhere near as messy and forced as Orton's ill conceived turn but HHH seems to have lost complete credibility as a threatening heel.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

My video cut out while Long was doing his spiel. Gah.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (Ferg), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

FEAR TEH OVERRUN

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)

It's looking like RAW will run in slow motion until Mania.

They finally got Hogan to agree to the Hall of Fame ceremony. That was inevitable.

Batista doing cookie-cutter face promos = not what got him over. They recovered a bit by having HHH chicken out of getting in the ring with him. Poor Flair.

Hassan blew 89982 moves in the match with Benoit, and I think they changed the finish on the fly. Still nothing on tap for Benoit at Mania.

Chris Masters still sucks. Odds they make Jericho try to carry this sack of shit at Mania = 3:1

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

It looks like Jericho is out to give Benoit, Xtian, and the rest of the midcard something to do at Mania. It'll probably be an Ultimate X-style match.

Edge and Shawn had a great match, but why didn't Angle cost Shawn the match? Edge could use the win, and Shawn wouldn't have been hurt much by that sort of loss. Edge, welcome to the midcard. Next stop: Ultimate midcard match at Mania.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and what REALLY pissed me off: why does Batista have to explain why he turned on HHH and left Evolution? We know why he did it, because they've been building the turn for months? There's no need to sell it as though it was a big surprise that needs explaining.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

recaps are nice for some of us who miss it, duh. batista understands this.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

batista = nice

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

batista talks too politely to be an animal

ken c (ken c), Saturday, 5 March 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Hassan blew 89982 moves in the match with Benoit, and I think they changed the finish on the fly.

I was right, Benoit was supposed to job to the ring bell shot that wasn't.

And I now realize that Edge beating Shawn wouldn't have made sense, because the RAW main event is HHH, Batista, and nobody else. So, Edge can't move up the card by beating Shawn right now. Instead, Shawn looks stronger going into the dream match with Angle, while Edge will end up in the six way failed and de-pushed main eventers ladder match.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 6 March 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

presumably there'll be a belt involved in this ladder match right? the corny intercontinental belt then? i wonder if it'll be a RAW only thing or are they gonna mix and match.

Jericho really ought to move to Smackdown.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 7 March 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

I like the idea of the winner getting a title shot WHENEVER, but like Test's immunity angle Im sure its a good idea that will be followed up with the WORST EXECUTION EVER.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Test's immunity angle
*shudders*

On paper, it's a fantastic angle*, although I would have excluded WM22 in that 12-month period.

Amazing that Batista was so over that he still got cheered against Flair in Flair country. I still don't understand why they didn't hold off on that match for another week.

Lucky Benoit gets to job clean to HHH next week -- one year to the day after he beat HHH at WM XX. How far the mighty have fallen, etc. Also, this whole "HHH has NEVER beaten Benoit one-on-one" thing apparently doesn't include all of the year 2000.

* provided anybody but Kane wins

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

I assume they'll run with whoever wins that title shot ladder match for the PPV right after Mania. I mean, whats the point of the Rumble then if thats the case?

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

Maybe they'll feed Kane to Batista, that'd be amazing.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (Ferg), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

That promo must have set a new record for HHH, as he managed to put himself over while burying Cena, JBL, Orton, Shawn, Angle (calling himself "the most decorated athlete in WWE history" after they'd run a five minute video package declaring Angle to be the same thing) and Benoit (sort of, by harping on the (false) statement that he'd never beaten Benoit until last week).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

Maybe they'll feed Kane to Batista, that'd be amazing.

-- Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (M_P_P_P_P_Annoyma...), March 8th, 2005 6:08 PM.

That will be happening a little sooner than you had figured. Like in about ten minutes.

Speaking of feeding people to others, it's make or break time next week for Hassan when he faces Shawn. If he wins, he's a player. If Shawn wins, welcome to Sunday Night Heat.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Ordinarily, I'd think "why even book that match for the week before Mania unless you're planning to put Hassan over and make Shawn a big underdog going into his match with Angle"?

Then I remember that it's Shawn, and it's the WWE.

The correct finish is Hassan going over with Angle's help.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

Re: HHH

Does anyone else get the impression that the trip/steph braintrust will not be happy until hhh surpasses Flair's number of world titles?

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

They'll probably do a schmozz ending rather than have Shawn lose, I'd imagine. Hassan's promo was a bit odd, wasn't it, 'we have a lot in common, we've both faced adversity, except actually YOU HAVEN'T AT ALL YOU KNOW NOTHING OF MY PAIN' etc.

I can see HHH winning one short of Flair's total in a sort of clumsy reverential gesture. And then waiting for him to die and winning 15 more.

Michael Philip Philip Philip Philip Annoyman v1.0 (Ferg), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure that surpassing Flair's number of world titles is on HHH's long term agenda. If he hurries up with it, he can tie Flair and then they can wrestle for the world title and the record.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Somehow I'm not as psyched for Mania as I should be. But maybe I just have other things on my mind.

Great showing from the ladder match guys, even though they were obviously playing it safe. This shows how awesome they all are. Except for Kane of course.

Why are they building a Batista vs Bischoff feud? Haven't we seen enough of Loner Champions vs Evil Owner/GM?

Last night on the LAW, they aired an interview with Trish where she basically said that Christy is useless and their match will suck. Side point: they aren't really going to make Trish look weak in an arm-wrestling contest, are they?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

I guess they are. It's good to know that any girl off the street is stronger than their women's champion.

This would be upsetting if anybody actually took the women's division seriously.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Poor Trish.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

need more recaps pls. can't watch at work so much.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Lots of sites offer recaps ... here, we BITCH, COMPLAIN, AND OCCASIONALLY PRAISE.

Anyhow, not much happened in the last hour, Stence. Michaels v Hassan ended with an Angle run-in (they almost got the finish right re: my comment last week). Shawn looked pretty unmotivated during the match, but Hassan held up OK.

Batista v HHH "staredown"/"non-violent confrontation"/"debate" ended (obv.) in violence. HHH slapped him and then it was ON. But Batista delivered the sort of promo that he should have been giving all along, i.e. delivering killer one-liners with the relaxed voice of a cold-blooded killer.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 29 March 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

OK, I am going to give my "predictions". By "predictions" I don't mean what I think will happen, but the things that I would least like to happen. I'm just interested in finding out if they'll be one and the same.

-Shawn Michaels beats Kurt Angle clean after escaping the Ankle Lock three times (at least two by reversal or 'Christing Up'), then gives him the Sweet Chin Music with the ankle Kurt worked on the entire match and pins him easily.

-Kane wins the ladder match and challenges for the World Title the following night on RAW.

-Eddy Guerrero beats Rey Mysterio in a 6-minute match due to Chavo interference.

-Akebono beats the Big Show in the sumo match with the help of a returning Rikishi.

-Hulk Hogan wanders out to cut a promo on Mohammed Hassan, calling him some variation of "towelhead", then beats him up. Which results in a huge pop. Which will consequently result in Vince giving Hogan another year-long run as an unstoppable babyface main eventer.

-Christy defeats Trish despite blowing at least two moves.

-The Piper's Pit segment with Austin includes a "funny" segment featuring Mae Young and the Fabulous Moolah.

-Randy Orton beats the Undertaker clean.

-Cena beats JBL. If you're wondering why this is something I do not want to happen, you probably haven't had to watch a Cena match before.

-HHH beats Batista by hitting him with the sledgehammer after a ref bump.

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

Haha, they can do worse by some of your picks, although I have to admit that the Shawn-Angle and Eddie-Rey "predictions" are totally OTM (= def. the worst possible thing that can happen).

Kane could challenge Batista on the next RAW PPV, maybe even stretching the feud into more than one PPV, therefore killing Batista dead in a matter of three months, thereby leading to HHH regaining the title by Summerslam.

All of the actual women's wrestlers blow at least two moves per match, so Christy will obviously blow more than two herself. She's even got Lita training her, so "blowing spots" must be part of her regular training regime.

OTOH, Orton should beat Taker clean.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 05:57 (twenty years ago)

As much as it would please me to see Taker end his Wrestlemania run, I can't see it happening this time.
Isn't Orton meant to be moving to Smackdown? Wouldn't trying to avenge his loss be the perfect motivator?

Greig (treefell), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

yeah a match vs randy orton at this point seems like a rubbish time for the undertaker to lose his 12 match streak!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

A lot of people are saying stuff like that. Orton as a babyface bombed so badly that I think everyone forgets how awesome his cocky heel act is. I'd much rather see him with a stable and the belt for eight months than JBL. They did their best to Lugerfy him in the HHH feud and this might be their chance to remake him.

Also, I don't get the "Angle is too hurt to have a great match with Shawn" talk (not here, but on other boards). Angle's had more protection in the last six months than Fort Knox. He only wrestles on big cards now. In 2003, his neck was hanging by a thread, he tore a hamstring 30 seconds into the match, and still put on a show with Brock who isn't as good a worker as Shawn. Angle can go when he needs to, and the match on Sunday won't disappoint.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

why did orton beat the shit outta that girl the other week?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

After Batista destroyed Kane a week or two back, I can't see them pitching him as the next challenger. I am thinking that it is probably time to run with Edge, as they have been pitching him as a serious contender for months now without giving him a run at the title. The Shawn prediction seems pretty likely, but I am optimistic about a good match there. Akebono would beat Show in about four seconds tops in a sumo contest, but I assume they must have something more in mind. I don't much like Trish as a champ, but I cannot conceive of their making a Christy win look tolerably believable, even by their low standards. I doubt that Orton will beat Taker, but I think they need to build this one and have Orton beat him at the next PPV. It shouldn't be hard to turn Orton back to a very good heel. Cena will beat JBL, I'm pretty sure - that isn't to disagree that it's a bad thing, but it seems unavoidable. Batista winning seems even more certain.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

why did orton beat the shit outta that girl the other week?

He didn't beat the shit out of her, he just RKO'ed her. Besides solidifying him as a heel, in storyline terms it was supposed to signify that Orton was completely focused on beating Taker and was ridding himself of all other distractions.

I doubt that Orton will beat Taker, but I think they need to build this one and have Orton beat him at the next PPV.

For most feuds, that would make sense, but this one is entirely built upon Orton ending Taker's Mania streak. Beating him at another PPV won't a thing (of course, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if that happens).

A consensus seems to be forming around Cena losing to JBL and winning the title at a Smackdown PPV. The argument is that you don't want to change both titles on the same show, and Batista HAS to win given the epic buildup.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Beating him at another PPV won't mean a thing

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Theres a bunch of WWE appearances going down in West LA this weekend, including a big rally type thing at the Fox Hills Mall (ie: the mall that Doughboy had a job at in Boyz in the Hood) that I would go to if I was unemployed.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

A column about Hogan from Mark Dursin, who used to write a wrestling column on Bill Simmons' web site.

There's some interesting commentary here, but he's also a crackhead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=dursin/050331&num=0

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)

Fuck a Hogan

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 1 April 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

This is the first time Wrestlemania's not been on free TV in the UK, and my cable network isn't doing it. Having to wait until a torrent appears and waiting three days for it to download while spoiler-dodging is going to be really crap.

Eddie-Rey match of the night, do we think? Or Angle-Michaels?

Fergal (Ferg), Sunday, 3 April 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

Although, it's starting in ten minutes so I'll have to go off spoiler-dodging for three days before anyone answers anyway. Huh.

Fergal (Ferg), Sunday, 3 April 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

Angle-Michaels delivered. The world title matches weren't great, but we weren't expecting them to be. The ladder match was good, but not as good (or as long) as I was hoping, and the same goes for Eddie-Rey. Orton-Taker had a great finish (although not the finish it should have had). Nothing sucked. I was in a bar with an active, rowdy crowd and it was a fun time.

Now I'm listening to Live Audio Wrestling and they're saying that it was a thumbs down show. They're nuts.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 4 April 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

It was a moderate thumbs up. The mains didnt deliver, but they didnt suck, Orton/UT and Michaels/Angle carried the whole show, the Rey/Eddie match was SHIT, and the Sports Entertainment bits were actually entertaining so I have no real beef with WM21. I was also down with all the celebs in the audience, but mostly Rick Rubin, Anthony Keidis and Billy Corgan.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I didn't care at all about the outcome of the Michaels-Angle match but it managed to be the best one of the night. I didn't think Michales could still pull out a performance like that.
Batista-HHH was fine, I liked HHH's early lead and the turning point being Batista's slingshot agains the ring post. Trips' bloody face and selling brought some pretty good drama.
Ubdertaker-Orton was surprisingly good. A relief to see Trish not lose to the playboy playmate as she's become one of the best performers in the roster period.
The Cena-JBL match was really horrible though. A very WTF abrupt non-ending. Didn't the audience kinda boo Cena at one point?
Ladder match was pretty extroardinary. I could have used one or two backstage segments as opposed to the pointless replaying of the movie trailer ads. Why make me watch ads for the event I've already chosen to see?

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Monday, 4 April 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand why some people disliked Rey-Eddie so much.

Cena-JBL was a total WTF match -- they've had JBL get the crap beat out of him in all his matches, only to cheat like nuts and somehow win in the end. And how did they pay off eight months of shit like that? By Cena getting literally no offense for ten minutes, then hitting the FU to win, no run-in's, no fighting off the Cabinet, no overcoming the odds, no cheating on JBL's behalf, no false finishes, nothing. Bleh.

HHH probably got too much offense in his match as well, but chalk that up to having a 22 minute match instead of a 12 or 13 minute match (which would have been better suited to Batista's talents at present)(yeah, everyone said that months ago, and what do you know, they were right)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 4 April 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Rey-Eddie pissed me off because Rey was more concerned with his mask then he was the match. The women's match went over better with the crowd I was with than that one.

Dude, are you a 15 year old asian chick? (jingleberries), Monday, 4 April 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

haha what WAS up with that mask??

they messed up several moves too. one they seemed to have missed twice in a row.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

the highlight of the whole of Wrestlemania was obviously MOTORHEAD!!! OMG WTF!!!!!!!

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

that made me so so so happy.

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)


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