xpost the grolleau- the Loire wine region is in my top 3 in the world. Everything there is a wonderful.
― Yerac, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link
xp cool, thanks! i'm looking forward to it.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 12 April 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link
Had a glass (then a bottle) of this Jura Chardonnay recently and it blew my mind a bit. None of the oiliness that's (ignorantly) put me off chardonnay for so long.
https://✧✧✧.shop✧✧✧.com/s/files/1/2080/6109/products/jura-chardonnay-chevassu_1_1024x1✧✧✧@2✧.j✧✧
Had a different Jura chardonnay subsequently and it was fine, but fine was a disappointment.
― Tim, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
Ugh. This one: https://terrawines.co.uk/products/cotes-du-jura-chardonnay-sous-voile-domaine-marie-pierre-chevassu-2015
― Tim, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Had a great Bulleit Sazerac last night as well as a mug of Blue Owl Czech Czech Sour Pilsner.
Wife had a drink that combined Stout, bourbon, maraschino, and Orange bitters. It was a bit unusual, but quite good.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
I love the Jura. That chard is aged under flor which is the same way sherry is made. If you liked that you might like Vin Jaune which is from the Jura too but the savagnin grape under flor. I have a bottle that I have been saving since it's a lot for one person to drink on their own and not many people like it.
― Yerac, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
xpost any drink with maraschino/luxardo is a winner.
― Yerac, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
xp I'm on my way round.
I think it's because I was drinking sherry that the nice person behind the bar gave me a sample of the chardonnay. Will keep an eye out for the vin jaune.
― Tim, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
Any nice wine shop should have a couple of bottles at least. Even in France you can find cheapish bottles in the supermarket. It's super nice but weird. They make this "famous" dish in the Jura that is chicken with morrels and vin jaune.
― Yerac, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
Not sure it's quite as common as that over here - a quick click round my usual places shows some do, some don't but the cheapest I can see is like £32 for a 62 cl bottle, which is probably a bit on the costy side for me).
― Tim, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
If you fly 14 hours to where I am we can break open my 2006 Jacques Puffeney Vin Jaune. I will save it for you.
― Yerac, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
On my way.
― Tim, Thursday, 12 April 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
vin jaune is not easy to find over here! i'm so curious about it.
― just sayin, Friday, 13 April 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
You can also get chardonnay or savagnin (or a white blend) from the Jura as long as it's been under flor (the voile) and that is pretty close, but lighter to vin jaune . I don't think I have really seen those that much outside of France but definitely see vin jaune (vin jaune has longer aging requirements so it's more expensive).
― Yerac, Friday, 13 April 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
some of the new australian winemakers have wines made under flor since a lot of them are into the jura but i dont think anyone's done a vin jaune? maybe i should investigate further.
― just sayin, Friday, 13 April 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
The jura/savoie got pretty popular about 3-4 years ago. I feel like vin jaune style wines would be a tough sell. You definitely have to prepare people for what they are about to taste. It's like the first time you ever had a dry sherry.
― Yerac, Friday, 13 April 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
guys it's 4/20 and i'm drinking a fremont dark star oatmeal stout. it smells like new-mown grass and homemade collard greens here. need one of our resident deadheads to suggest a "dark star" pairing to listen to.
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 20 April 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
I read that as "new mom grass."
― Yerac, Friday, 20 April 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
asahi super dry from a backpack keg at a hanshin tigers game. tasting super fresh and crispy tbh.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 21 April 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
russian river "consecration", sour ale aged in cabernet barrels. better than i'd expect for a beer with comic sans on the label, but honestly, i'm not sure it's beery enough - the wine flavor predominates
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 May 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
i'm not sure it's beery enough
This style of beer (oud bruin) is a very common beer in West Flanders (which is kind of like sacred ground for beer!)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 6 May 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
I had some Aslin Stellar Parallax and a RAR Slip-Ons today. The mid-atlantic is getting scary good at hazy stuff.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 May 2018 04:07 (six years ago) link
Last night, bottle of chilean riesling and then a 2004 Vina Ardanza, La Rioja Alta
― Yerac, Sunday, 6 May 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
I am having a Bow & Arrow, "Melon" Willamette Valley. I am very surprised how much I like it. I mean I love muscadet but I thought I would find fault with this as i do whenever they take a super frenchified grape and take it US.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:15 (five years ago) link
Like, I would buy totally this buy this by the 10-20% off case if possible. Super easy drinking, very flexible/angular, cute label.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
not available near me : /
i swear to god one of the things keeping me from digging more into one is how friggin hard it is to find a specific bottle.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:22 (five years ago) link
*more into wine
Where are you? I think that winery was kind of a ~hipster thing for a time.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
They had a wine called Air Guitar...
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
i'm in mass, looks like no in-state distributor. getting stuff shipped here is possible but a pain in the ass.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:25 (five years ago) link
If you like a certain style or have descriptors of things you have enjoyed I can probably recommend similar stuff to be on the lookout that you would like. Or sometimes the best bottles are because of who you are drinking with at a certain time in your life.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link
Or just ask a clerk your local "good" wine store and don't feel intimidated. They live to share knowledge. Even at Trader Joes, I think they have enough expertise where they know what to recommend.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:29 (five years ago) link
yeah i'm open to try anything, like an american muscadet that comes with a recommendation from someone knowledgeable sounds great. basically if i read about a wine or someone tells me about a wine i would probably be happy to try that wine, and i'm able to track it down like less than half the time.
i'm at the point where i just literally need to taste more wines and develop my palate so it's frustrating to hear about stuff and not be able to try it.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:32 (five years ago) link
I’m in japan so drink lots of Sake. Best so far has been 北の錦 純米山廃(Kita no Nishishi Junmai Yamahai). Really great umami with a little roughness, beautiful straw colour as well.
I need to stop accidentally buying 原酒 (genshu) which is the undiluted sake. It’s generally too big and heavy, but at least makes a good argument for why it is diluted in the first place. I had 南部美人純米吟醸 生詰原酒 (Nanbu Bijin junmai daiginjo Namatsugenshu)、詰 can mean packed or stuffed and it certainly was, too much going on and almost syrupy.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:34 (five years ago) link
i mean I feel like I know enough/more than 95% about wine, but I still get disappointed by bottles because I like to play roulette and be surprised. And I drink enough wine that I always want some reliable that is affordable. I don't love a lot of oak (it makes me want to eat pineapple pizza) and I like lighter styles with some funk or some weird mouthfeel. I also don't eat a lot of meat and I get weirded out about thinking I have pruple teeth or punchbowl mouth, so I tend to stay away from tannic wines. That was actually the first american muscadet I have had. I have had some American Chenin Blancs (my favorite white grape) and they have all been disappointing.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:38 (five years ago) link
speaking of sake, i went to a seminar recently where we tasted this: http://www.vineconnections.com/japanese-sake/grades/junmai-honjozo/ancient-treasure/
shit was wild, sort of like drinking an oxidized sherry but totally in its own league.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:40 (five years ago) link
my go-to wines are like cheap barberas and slightly less cheap rhone reds. i don't drink much american wine but i'm trying to work through a bunch of oregon pinot noirs since they seem like the most agreeable american red to me.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:42 (five years ago) link
xpost Oh man, those tasting notes and food pairings for the sake are like, my insides.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:44 (five years ago) link
Kosho is really good, but hard to find even in japan, delicious and very complex. I don’t think I saw a single bottle in the Sake-ya I found the other day.
The other comparison is to Chinese Huangjiu and I’d love to do a side by side tasting of similar quality stuff, My memory is that huangjiu Is less refined and tougher but that may just be because I’ve maybe only had good huangjiu a couple of times.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:45 (five years ago) link
xpost yeah you likely have a more old world palate preference. You don't like fruit forward/saturated. For blind tastings ta cheat is if you get get confused about old world vs new world, after you describe the nose, does the wine taste on your palate sweeter (not sugar but more fruit) or more sour than the nose. If it's sour, it's old world.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:48 (five years ago) link
Tomorrow I am visiting the Nikka Yoichi distillery and the Tanaka Shuzo sake brewery so tomorrow will be a good day.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
I have never had genshu! I was just looking it up.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
for sure, my wife and i are confirmed old-world wine people. she got her start drinking nice chateauneuf-du-pape when she was studying abroad. idk what my deal is. at least it usually means we're compatible when i'm deciding what bottle to open.
i bought a bottle of that sake btw, not cheap but like how could i not. i have no idea when i will open it but luckily according to the proprietor it keeps for a long time in the fridge once opened.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
xpost, that pretty much describes my wine palette, I'd rather stab myself repeatedly with a fork than have another syrupy shiraz. That also seems go to for my taste in Sake.
https://goo.gl/images/gFG3ww
Funaguchi namagenshu is pretty available international, its not great but it is pretty representative of the style.
https://goo.gl/images/zwVs2y
I've seen narutotai in the US, UK and Australia, its a better sake but you have to commit to a whole 700ml. NB Nama Genshu has traditionally been exported in cans as Nama=unpasteurised so the can prevents light oxidation. Other Nama styles are available, indeed everything can come Nama, its typically a spring release - the first new sake of the year and the non-genshu styles can be very light and refreshing, sometimes with a very light sparkle, very small pettillant bubbles.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:00 (five years ago) link
Damned images.
https://cdn1.wine-searcher.net/images/labels/02/59/kikusui-funaguchi-ichiban-shibori-nama-genshu-honjozo-sake-niigata-japan-10300259.jpg
http://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-7a906/images/stencil/1000x1000/products/6853/11914/Narutotai-Ginjo-Namagenshu-720ML__10634.1498242657.jpg?c=2
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:01 (five years ago) link
xpost If you like barbera and rhone reds, you would probably like other random Italian reds (not chianti or barolo or montepulciano or basically anything pricey). Try a cheapish Barbarsesco or Ghemme although that may not have the color you want. Sagrantino or Lacryma Christi (tears of christ from Mt Vesuvius) are two of my favorite reds. But really, I think Italian wine is so great because it has so many styles and weirdnesses that I like. Also Sicilian reds (Cerasualo di Vittoria, Occhipinto and COS are two big producers, they are related) are probably something you would enjoy because it's frappato/nero'd'avolo which if you like pinot noir it's kind of in that same vein, lighter can be served slightly chilled, easy drinking. But funkier. I like a lot of syrahs from Washington. Colder vintages, it tastes like black olives. But you would probaly like some of the reds from Languedoc Roissillon, they are medium body, some blends. ALso Cahors which is the French malbec/cot.
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:05 (five years ago) link
late to this but the Willamette Valley is really coming into its own re: wines
― sleeve, Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:13 (five years ago) link
Languedoc Roissillon, they are medium body, some blends. Also Cahors which is the French malbec/cot.
That is a very good arc of France from the Languedoc to the haute Garonne(OK Lot but the water still ends up at Bordeaux.: see also Corbieres, Madiran, Sabazan, Buzet
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link
If you want to break down wines (although I have used it for beer and sake tastings) and have fun, this is the current court of master sommeliers blind deductive tasting grid.
http://www.courtofmastersommeliers.org/wp-content/uploads/Deductive-Tasting-Grid-Dec-2016.pdf
― Yerac, Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:15 (five years ago) link
you hit on a lot of adjacent wines that i've enjoyed! i will have to track down some washington syrahs--v intriguing and something i've definitely never had.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 22 September 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link