Controversial Food Opinions - The Béchamel Test

Titles props to bg.

I am now reading a reddit on bechamel in lasagne and getting mad. But I guess there are people who actively seek out creamed spinach and creamed corn and creamed mushrooms...

struggling to find any recipes for lasagne al forno that don't feature bechamel as standard

Like I get that they wanted the creaminess to balance out the acidity of tomatoes and again it acts as a "rustic" filler but it's disgusting. Unless you used it to moisten a ricotta/mozz/herb mixture, but I always just see it as a big soupey mess. I hate a slippery lasagna. I want crisp edges.

i think that can be moderated thru cooking time and sauce thickness

Also, I can't find regular pickles here that don't have sugar added. Sweet, off dry pickles are the worst.

I love that little kick of nutmeg from a good bechamel.

I have been trying to work out why there is such an outcry over bechamel on lasagne, but if it's wet and sloppy then fair enough, that's bad. Bechamel doesn't need to be like that.

Bechamel is what you give to baby squirrels through an eye dropper.

Béchamel is bad always. You savages wouldn’t put mayonnaise in your lasagna would you?

do I really want to know?

luv2see my peerless wit immortalised in thread titles, thx yerac

I just registered that I made a grammatical error and it kind of looks like I am giving you "titties props" if you glance quickly.

if you can't distinguish between mayo and Bechamel i figure there is no debate to be had

thx also to yerac for acknowledging my rack

You savages wouldn’t put mayonnaise in your lasagna would you?

my wife's away this weekend, might as well do some experimental cooking

sorry, my w1f3

Straight red sauce is far, far superior to bechamel. Bechamel should go the way of aspic.

mmm, larks' tongues in bechamel

I can't tell the difference between sarin and novichok either but

one of them definitely comes straight from Putin

iirc (was a long time ago) i used to make lasagna @ a resto. and bechamel was gently layed over the top layer of red sauce. so it wasn't actually in it. and after it cooked it was a creamy layer, but not runny at all. i always thought it was a presentation thing - like the contrast it makes with the sauce just underneath it. and you kind of had to make the bechamel just right - couldn't be too runny or too thick to spread perfectly while at the same time avoiding getting any hint of the red from the sauce underneath mixed in. also seemed to make a pretty rustic dish a little more elegant?

my controversial food opinion is it's ok for people to not like certain foods
it's also ok to not want to try certain foods

Yeah, people should eat what they want. I only get annoyed when people prepare food for other people and they totally won't even try it or just are assholes about it. I eat the lasagna with bechamel when people prepare it for me and say "wow, this is amazing."

I would eat it too but would hope no one would tell me it's béchamel

it is ok before people to like whatever foods but it is fun to get "mad" about it

it's fine to not like things or to like things and message board threads are a safe space for comedy outrage but irl if i'm eating something and you tell me how gross the thing i'm eating is i may not say "gtfo you delicate savage" but i will certainly think it v. loudly

it's also ok to not want to try certain foods

"But, you've GOT to try this!" (aggressively shoves a forkful of food at brimstead's mouth)

my grandparents convinced me I was lactose intolerant (I'm not) and I ate cereal w/ orange juice for over a decade

its good

My mom will prepare a lovely lunch/dinner for us when we visit. And then my dad comes sauntering over and makes his own pastrami sandwich to eat. He's an asshole.

people shoving food at my face is a slightly different kind of savagery and whether i like the food or not isn't the issue for me

my dad used to be terrible for this, if i mentioned in conversation having eaten something he didn't like - and there was plenty of stuff he didn't like - he'd insist every bleeding time on a quick monologue about how horrible the thing i'd just mentioned was. in case i'd forgotten the previous 200 times he'd told me he didn't care for curry.

My dad wouldn't eat the grilled salmon and salad my mom made for lunch once. He ate too many salads and he ate too much salmon growing up. Of really dad, grilled salmon was all the rage in 1950s Michigan?

Dads are kind of the worst about this stuff. DON'T BE LIKE YOUR DAD.

Speak for your own dad, not mine, plz.

DON'T BE LIKE MY DAD.

but i like pastrami sandwiches ;_;

One time it was a plate of sliced up sausages and tomatoes. We all gave him the side-eye.

okay that's just weird, wtf yerac's dad

I kind of figure all Trump voters are like that. He's my benchmark.

I knew someone in college who apparently at some point decided to eat only olive oil. His thyroid stopped working!

what the shit

I know!

I think he was living on a boat at the time??

I think since then he's founded a cryptocurrency startup. We're not in touch.

Anyway eat what people put in front of you, if possible, is a virtue I've come around to. (I tried with eggplant, it makes me gag, I am not trying again with eggplant.)

he's founded a cryptocurrency startup

this actually helps put the olive oil diet in context tbh

the only things I don't eat are mayo, cooked eggs (except in like fried rice) & savory cream sauces. & when I'm traveling I'll even try those. I mean, I once ate a cow's seminal vesicle, how much worse can béchamel be? (actually the seminal vesicle was pretty good)

idgi will you slam back a raw egg in the a.m.?

I think he was living on a boat at the time??

I think since then he's founded a cryptocurrency startup. We're not in touch.

― valorous wokelord (silby), Friday, March 23, 2018 9:09 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love this post

sorry, euler, i don't mean to make light of familial discord or anything

SILBY I MEAN, gah

iirc in college he was living on a restricted diet that was heavy on unseasoned chicken breast and Nutella

Italian sausage and kielbasa are in a fite for the worst. And those weird smoked beef U shaped things sold in supermarkets.

dumb midwest

<3 euler

Those Dominic's Italian Sausage trucks... *shudder*.

We should do a sausage poll

please bro u just looking for another opportunity to dick-wave like u've been doing all over this board for the past few weeks

Wow dude if my bulge swings wildly bc of its size it doesnt mean i deserve such hostility

Plus I genuinely love sausages and have opinions about them

I like kielbasa! It's smoked.

I especially hate the fresh kielbasa. The smoked is slightly better.

oh, I just remembered that you are from michigan. Of course you like kielbasa.

Pity your big old dick can’t help your inferiority complex ey.

Andouille is my jam

And chorizo of course

Lotsa overly salty sausages itt btw

Tell you what - I've never been to the USA, but I spent most of my adulthood in China, and very familiar with the few overpriced western grocery stores in major cities which only had US stuff, a little Australian, maybe a few French things, never anything from the UK. The sausages and bacon were always pre-cooked. Literally was unable to buy raw bacon or sausages at all. Is this a refrigeration / transport issue or are these things generally pre-cooked?

precooked bacon is available but it is a comedy product aimed at miserable people. precooked microwavable frozen breakfast sausage is probably somewhat more popular. Hot dogs are fully cooked. Otherwise, no.

Yeah i mean there are a lot of butcher shops in america

I feel like the hipsterization of america has brought back the butcher as a cool dude

Oddly enough I am a fan of precooked bacon (esp the trader joe's one). I am super lazy about making food in the morning and like breakfast burritos with hot sauce (and bacon when feeling decadent). Cooking bacon is way too annoying, especially in a house full of vegans/vegetarians.

For lunch today I am having cheetos, a 7 layer italian cookie, ice coffee, and a churro flavored protein powder. I need to get the f out of ny.

nem nuong is good sausage

I never really liked kielbasa but there's a not dissimilar French sausage called saucisse de Montbéliard and it is really really fantastic when cooked in red wine all day, and I wonder if the same would work with kielbasa.

because I live in a heavily muslim quartier I can't really get good sausage close by (i.e. within half a kilometer) so we uh had hot dogs for dinner tonight. no they are not in any way better than american hot dogs, but they are just fine nonetheless.

here's a Controversial Food Opinion: Pringles are the best mass-market potato chips

I agree. I am not a huge fan of potato chips, but I like pringles (and those pickle flavored or balsamic flavored ones).

At a school I was working at this year they had switched to beef sausages because they had some Muslim students, and they were a vast improvement from the cheap bangers they had before, if a bit too salty.

yeah I can get some Turkish beef sausages but they're not widely popular here. I should say that merguez are easily available in my quartier & we eat them not infrequently but they're more spiced and thus more limited in application.

Jesus i mean I’m all for options

God have mercy on me the day I can’t have my pork

Square sausage, or lorne beef sausage, is one of the only things I get homesick for, with a nice floury bap and liberal brown sauce.

oh, I just remembered that you are from michigan. Of course you like kielbasa.

― Yerac, Thursday, October 18, 2018 5:52 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Girl I grew up with Dutch and Swedish ppl, their food is gross. I had kielbasa for the first time in Jersey City!

pringles are vile you weirdos

Australia, for all its British, Irish and Italian heritage really can’t do sausages well. Beef sausages are the staple and not good, bacon, is very much lacking and the Italian sausages seem somewhat dry. Maybe Australian pigs aren’t fat enough.

Best way to test that is to make your own sausages imo

https://66.media.tumblr.com/3263a7e7a6ee26a3e469e356043b5910/tumblr_oxpwo2NAYf1sxouzno1_500.gifv

das dutchman essenhaus employee?

It’s hard when you have to befriend a piggy and you know you’re gonna have to kill it tho

if you don't cook bacon you don't get to pour out the fat into a container you keep in your fridge for Future Uses so massive DUD imo

here's a Controversial Food Opinion: Pringles are the best mass-market potato chips

― droit au butt (Euler)

they're great but i'm not sure they qualify even for the low standards of "potato chips".

If it’s not a cooked cross section of an intact potato it’s not a potato chip

^Real Talk

Grams making no bones about it

It's true that Pringles are Not Real Food but they recently had a short lived Brazilian BBQ flavour which erased my willpower the second I tasted it. If it was still available I would weigh 300 lb and live in a pile of non-recyclable silvered cardboard tubes.

Pringles are basically resultant paste, right.

more of a machine-extruded slurry. resultant paste is more personal.

Pringles are like wafer thin savory cookies made out of flour, potatoes and seasonings. Not a potato chip. I do find them good personally tho

I never even thought about how pringles are not really potato chips. This is probably why I like them.

How we can talk about compositional authenticity on a thread where we’re talking about sausage

That only makes sense as a critique if sausages are to be construed as a mechanized simulation of an actual intestine

I do really love boudin noir.

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Pringles also rule because they are minimal surfaces.

posts very much in character?

kringle still the best 'ringle, though

Fo shingle