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does castor sugar (AUS) = confectioners sugar (USA)?

what is a good replacement for corn starch/syrup?

why no pumpkin soup in the USA?

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

does castor sugar (AUS) = confectioners sugar (USA)?

No. Castor sugar = baker's sugar
Icing sugar = confectioner's sugar

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

We do have pumpkin soup in the USA! You can actually get it at lunch/breakfasty chain stores like Au Bon Pain. And making it yourself is pretty easy because canned pumpkin is all over the place year round.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about substituting for corn starch - maybe rice flour would work, but it depends on what you are using it for. If it's to thicken something, arrowroot might be your best option, but it works a bit differently from corn starch so you might have to play around with it.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 February 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe its just the south, Ally, but I cant find anything even vaguely like pumpkin soup. I haven't heard of Au Bon Pain. We even have a store here called 'Everything Australian' and still, no pumpkin soup!
I might try to make it but im notoriously bad with anything in liquid form. No patience.

Jaq - that may explain why my pavlovas have been collapsing. Ive been substituting confectioners sugar. Still tastes GOOD though. Also, who knew corn was in EVERYTHING?

You guys are helpful! thanks!

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Tapioca starch is supposedly an excellent substitute for corn starch, especially in Asian dishes.

Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Where are you at again? Au Bon Pain I think is basically only cities? But I could be wrong. That really sucks though, I don't like the idea of a world without pumpkin soup. What about butternut squash soup? I've actually seen that in canned versions in, I think, Trader Joe's? Upscale supermarkets might have that kind of thing...

"Everything Australian" sounds like a great store!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think confectioner's is extra extra fine with some cornstarch added to it. So it wouldn't mess with your pavlova too much - it just doesn't dissolve as nicely as baker's sugar.

Corn is in everything - I started trying to bake all our bread because everything in the grocery has HFCS in it! As does everything in the freezer section. Infuriating.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Bryan, tapioca is a great idea.

Ally, yes! I have seen butternut squash soup at our local Kroger (little rock, AR). I know what a butternut pumpkin is but a butternut squash is a mystery. Do they taste similar? The picture on the can I saw looked a little pumpkin soupy.
Everything Australian is kinda goofy but still very cool to have close by when I get a food craving America can't sate. I still say they have the best bikinis in the USA, but they sell a whole lot of this kind of thing too:

http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/evryaustralian_1883_45577179

Jaq, my mother-in-law recently developed an allergy to corn. i cant even imagine what she eats now.

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe its just the south, Ally, but I cant find anything even vaguely like pumpkin soup.

I think it must be a not-in-the-south thing. I've never seen it. I'd bet real folding money that they have it at the Dekalb Farmers Mkt. outside ATL, but couldn't swear to it.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of the canned "pumpkin" you buy in the US is actually canned squash. I think butternut squash is a bit sweeter than regular pumpkin, but the rest of the flavor is pretty much identical.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Jaq says what I was going to say. They're pretty similar. I actually know people who make "pumpkin pies" out of butternut squash because of the slightly higher sugar(?) content but I've never been able to really tell the difference. I'd try that, if you can find that, and see what you think.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Pumpkin soup is so easy to make you can't really go wrong Kat!

Just chop up as much pumpkin as you like, fry some onions and garlic, chuck in the pumpkin, cover it with veg or chicken stock and simmmer it til its cooked (20 mins or so), then remove most of the liquid (not down the drain! reserve it), food process/bamix stick the pumpkin to a puree, then add the liquid you poured off back in til its the consitency you like.

Also good with some potato and or carrot to round out the flavour, and adding some cumin gives it a real boost. As does tomato, tho that can overpower it.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if anyone in the US does pumpkin scones? I havent made those in ages.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm. Pumpkin scones. Did you post the recipe in here for kumara scones? Because I made that one with pumpkin - really good. The cumin is so right with the pumpkin.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Starbucks generally has all manner of pumpkin pastries during the winter, I'm pretty sure I've seen pumpkin scones there. I never knew the US had such an anti-pumpkin image and demeanor!

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

Me either, I thought you guys put pumpkin in EVERYTHING! The difference seeming to be you guys like it as a sweet thing (pastries, drinks, pies, etc) whereas we tend towards the savoury soup, scones, and roast pumpkin dealio.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

"Bamix stick"?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 February 2006 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

You know, those wizzy handheld sticks you can use to moosh up foods with. Bamix is the brand I have.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

i hate the ordeal of peeling and cutting up cooking pumpkins/orange squash, so i learned to make decent pumpkin soup just using canned puree: heat the puree with stock and blend in chunks of boiled potato for consistancy plus whatever seasoning you like, and make sure that you get the unsweetened stuff. should take you about 10 minutes, plus potato-boiling time.

canned butternut squash soup should also satisfy your craving as it's pretty similar to pumpkin, but again watch out for the sugar content. why manufacturers think that people want candy soup, i have no idea.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 3 February 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

maybe its cause i grew up in apple country, but theres plenty of pumpkin stuff around...all sorts of fall/squash products, really.

tapioca starch works best as a replacement for corn starch..rice flour can work, but has a tendency to be a bit polymery in my brief expereince. try mixing in a bit of potaote starch too. my ex couldnt eat wheat or corn, so we did plenty of playing around...unfortunately when she moved out, the GF cookboks went with her.

bb (bbrz), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe pumpkin just grows better in the Northeast and midwest or something? So maybe not as common out west or down South? I haven't done any comparisons or anything, just speculating.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 3 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

i dont know. that might be the case. i havent seen real pumpkins here except for the weeks before halloween when you could get them from a gigantic cardboard box in front of walmart.
i do recall going to some very nice pumpkin patches in nashville in late oct 2000. i guess they could have been imported and thrown in a field for halloween effect. i dont remember anything actually growing.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

OCTOBER 2000!! maybe all the red state pumpkins died in november/december 2000.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

ps: thanks for the soup making suggestions. im going to give it a try.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

pps: rock hardy, someone needs to start a rolling southern thread (ie you).

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

On ILE, of course

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

There are Au Bon Pains as far south as Austin. And plenty of pumpkin-y stuff.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Argh, I have such a love-hate relationship with the south that I would clabber that milk almost immediately. (xpost)

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

everyone in the south does, no?

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 3 February 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I have a question. Why do Australians call it Shiraz when the whole rest of the world calls it Syrah?

TOMBOT, Friday, 3 February 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

i think canada and a few other places say shiraz too. its sometimes a winemaking thing too. syrah is old school (dulled flavor) and shiraz more is fruity. you're right though, i worked in a fine wines store when i was in college and i never saw syrah. ive never had red wine though, so im not sure how much attention i was paying.

sunny successor (katharine), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

everyone in the south does, no?

Haha, I wish. Most of my relatives are "My Dixie, right or wrong... AND MY DIXIE AINT WRONG, THESE COLORS DONT RUN, BLAH BLAH BLAH" But yeah, it's a topic for ILE, though I don't have the stomach to start that thread.

I don't have a stupid food question to redeem this post.

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

I had not even heard of syrah til I just read yr post Tom!

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 4 February 2006 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

Trayce = parochial Aussie :)

South Africa uses "shiraz" as well. Here is a wiki article about it. I know nothing about pumpkins, other than that I didn't cook anything successful out of my Hallowe'en one, but I made some very nice butternut squash soup the other day.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 4 February 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Heh :)

Oh forgot to add: Jaq, I think I did post a kumara scone recipe yeah, it rings a bell. I havent MADE it mind you but I've made pumpkin ones plenty enough.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Re: the shiraz/syrah thing - there are lots of grape varietals that have multiple names. What is grown as lemberger in the US is blaufrankish most everywhere else. And there's a California grape called petite syrah, which is not even remotely related to the syrah grape (aside from also being a grape).

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

And the spanish have different names again for everything...

Matt (Matt), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

All part of the fun of wine

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

HERE IS DELICIOUS PUMPKIN-LOBSTER BISQUE THAT WASN'T TOO DIFFICULT TO MAKE

1st you need seafood stock, which I just made up by throwing in shrimp shells I'd been saving in the freezer and the shells from the lobster tails into some olive oil (NOTE keep it closer to 1tbsp oil, I used 2 and I think it made the bisque a little too thin in the end). Sautee those til they're all nice and bright colored and then pour in 3/4 - 1 cup white wine, let that go til it reduces almost completely out. Add about 3 cups of water, 2-3 bay leaves, coarsely chopped unpeeled onion, two coarse chopped carrots and celery, some saffron (you can leave out if too $$$$$) and some sage. Let that simmer for like 30 minutes then strain et voila really, really fast seafood stock.

Now, while that's going and simmering you have to get the pumpkin pureed. NOTE: I used butternut squash instead, you need around 2, 2 1/2 cups of puree and I found it easier to just lop off the bottom half of the squash and call that 2 cups or so. ALSO NOTE: You can do Lauren's thing with the canned pumpkin instead and it'll work just fine. I always find the easiest way to accomplish pureed squashes is to just cut 'em into largish chunks, steam 'em for 15 minutes, and then force Tom to mash them up.

Add the puree to the strained, finished stock on low heat and mix well. Whisk in 1/2 cup of heavy cream. Let that simmer for about 10 minutes then add cayenne (I used about 1/8 tsp), pinch kosher salt, black pepper to taste, and about a tablespoon of fresh lemon juice.

LOBSTER: I just bought lobster tails, deshelled them for the stock, etc. Then chopped 'em up into bite size chunks and sauteed them for a few minutes in a pan with a little olive oil and decent amount of ground sage. Sautee til they are ALMOST done and then remove from oil and put sagey lobster chunks into the soup.

Stir around til lobster is done (about a minute) and you have delicious fake-pumpkin and lobster bisque.

Sorry my recipe explaining is so jittery. It makes it sound like you have to do too many things at once but most of the steps are kind of unattended, just an occasional stir, so it's easy.

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah - sage! no matter what kind of pumpkin/squash soup you're making, some crisp fried sage leaves sprinkled atop the finished product are very nice.

lauren (laurenp), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
ally, i finally tried butternut squash soup last night. you're right - very close to pumpkin! i was delighted.

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad! To be honest I quite often just use butternut squash instead of pumpkin for soups and bisques and cookies because the squashes are just so much easier to handle (I'm lazy).

Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Thursday, 20 July 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Most of what's sold as canned pumpkin in the US is actually butternut squash anyway.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 July 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Butternut Squash soup is the best - Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall has a great recipe in one of his books.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 27 July 2006 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

Actually (just looking at it now) it is for 'Roast Pumpkin (or squash) Soup' so he obviously thought the same thing. It's in the River Cottage Year - a lovely book.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0340828226/202-6622673-6411054?v=glance&n=266239&s=books&v=glance

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

ok, i had some more last night and took a look at the carton it cam in and there are indeed pumpkins, not squash on the front.

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 28 July 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)


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