Buying meat in bulk

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Since this was going on over in the "What's Cooking" thread, thought I'd move it here. I'm a huge believer in buying pasture-raised grass-finished meat in bulk, converted by the purchase of 1/2 a pig two years ago, 1/4 of a cow last year, and 1/2 a cow this year. The savings and the meat quality have been worth the sacrifice of floorspace to a chest freezer (it sat in one corner of our living room in the last apartment).

FYI - 1/2 a pig takes about 3.5 paper grocery bags of space. 1/4 of a cow takes about 6 bags worth. 1/2 a cow takes 12 bags worth, which is an entire 3'x5'x3.5' freezer, with some left for the kitchen freezer.

Grass-fed and finished beef will keep in the freezer for 12 months, so if you can finish off 70 lbs of hamburger and 20 lbs of stew meat in that time, and cook a 5 lb roast or pot roast every other week, it might be worth looking into.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

This -- and freezing Zip-Loc bags of various summer fruit with very short seasons (elderberries were only available for two weeks this year) -- is exactly the reason I'll have a standalone freezer some day, when I live somewhere I mean to stay and have the space.

The "bag measurements" are really helpful, too -- it still isn't something I can do now, but if I can get some people to split something with me ...

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

It might be worth calling some of the farms around - even if they don't keep a list of people looking to share, some of their regular buyers might be looking for more than a half but not quite a whole. The farm we bought our pork from in Seattle also sold sausage and chops occasionally which was how we first tasted the meat.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 16 September 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

After the mad cow scare last year and reading all the scary news at the O.C.A., I was seriously thinking about buying a whole half of a cow this fall from a local farm, but I have no chest freezer and no place to keep it all.

In the meantime, I buy food from by local co-op foodstore. There are plenty of organic fruits/vegetables, local products and local, farm-raised meat. When I was on my "bonless chicken thigh" kick a while ago, I got some from the co-op. The next time, I got them from a chain grocery store and they were TWICE the size, which made be think, "Do you really want to eat chicken that has so obviously been injected with growth horomones?"

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate the fact that we don't have a freezer barring the ice compartment in our fridge

Porkpie (porkpie), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
Reviving this one - we nearly finished off the 1/2 cow (though there's still a pile of hamburger, stew meat, and some stray round steaks left) and got a whole pig yesterday from these folks. I wasn't specific enough about the hams, only that I wanted them fresh, and so now we have 4 enormous (more than 10 pounds each) hams, 42 1" chops, 14 pounds of bulk sausage, a passel of various roasts, and two of the biggest slabs of pork belly I've ever seen and the freezer is full to the brim.

I keep thinking about Jeffrey Steingarten - did he try to make his own proscuitto? Anyway, time to get serious about a smoker. And learn how to make those pork pies.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Jaq - the best recipe I've found for POrkpies is the Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall one from his Meat book. Even my mum has abandoned her very old recipe for it. I've posted pictures of the results somewhere.

And a smoker is a great investment, especially as you can pick them up as cheaply as 32 dollars like we did (from a bass pro shop of all places)

Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Do you find that much cow/lamb/etc means youre eating red meat every single day to finish it all? I love my red meat, but I wont eat it that regularly, it just isnt good for you to have so much (there are recent studies showing consumption of red meat that much, ie 5 or more times a week, esp processed meats like sausage and salami, is a MAJOR cause of bowel cancer. No thanks!)

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

Not really. We generally forget to thaw it out. And because this isn't commercially produced meat, it's quite a bit leaner and healthier than anything one can buy at a grocery. I do believe factory-farmed meat is not only questionable for human consumption, but also cruel.

I take all studies regarding food with a grain of salt and tend not to react to them. Cholesterol was bad for you; oops, no it's not that, it's the (ex-healthy) manufactured hydrogenated fats that were supposedly so pure and wonderful. Crisco - it's digestible! Butter and real cream are better for a person than any chemically processed soy or cottonseed crap, as long as the cows weren't eating pesticides (which are stored in fat, including butterfat). We don't eat much nitrate-laden processed meat; we don't eat crappy ersatz substitute foods; we don't eat overprocessed junk or fast food. So no, I'm not going to stress over eating what we enjoy.

Besides, we all get to die of something, and I'd much rather it be for enjoying excellent chow. The memorial plaque can read "She certainly ate well."

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 20 June 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh for sure you make a wonderful point - knowing where yr food comes from is very important I think. It is a damn shame eating purely is so expensive.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Mr. Jaq got home from over the mountains yesterday with 130 lbs of pastured pork for the freezer. The chops we had for dinner tonight were absolutely the best. And, two large bags of fat for rendering await, just as I'm down to my last pint jar.

The only glitch - the butcher misunderstood the cutting order and chopped all the hams into 5 lb roasts, as well as the side pork, so while we might cure some pancetta or bacon, we won't be curing an air-dried ham this year.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:17 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...
So, from the pig we got in July 2005, we dry salt cured, then molasses cured, then air-dried one short cut 10 lb ham. It was hanging in our basement in Richland, moved with us to Seattle in September last year and today was unwrapped and sampled. Oh. My. God. So so good. (also so very dried on the meaty perimeter.)

Photo essay to follow, assuming we don't succumb to botulism tonight.

Jaq, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:00 (eighteen years ago)

Also, Porkpie, Vicky, and Aldo - thanks ever so much for the Hugh Fiercely-Eatsitall recommendations. His books are my main inspiration, meat-wise.

Jaq, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:05 (eighteen years ago)

I thought we were safe since no ill effects have shown up. But then, I read about the symptoms and incubation of botulism. (up to 14 days!) It's very rare for it to be present in dried meat, preferring low acid canned goods and garlic stored in oil apparently. So I'll make beans tomorrow and maybe get the photos organized.

Jaq, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 04:12 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...
"Very rare" isn't true apparently, so we haven't eaten any more of it w/o cooking. Photo series is up on Flickr:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/498797629_f29bb1642f.jpg

Jaq, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)

Jaq, how damp is your basement? It seems like exactly the sort of thing mine should be used for, but it's kind of humid in there.

aldo, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

Our basement in Richland, where we started the ham, was quite dry - that area is a high desert, so relative humidity was always less than 20%. More humid conditions are what you need for prosciutto though. Ours is more of a country ham (hard as a rock, has to be boiled to be sliced). I was bummed about not being able to try making another one this year in Seattle (since the cutting order got screwed up and we didn't get any whole hams), because I wanted to see how different it would be with a cooler, more humid environment. I think with a humid spot the important factors are airflow and not letting water condense or drip on the meat.

Jaq, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

I have read up a bit more on it and now think I have a identified a place where I could do this successfully. Hmm. I think it's too close to the summer to start, but this could be an autumn project.

aldo, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

I do think it makes a difference when you start it - essentially, you want it to be cool initially with no chance of overheating. Once things have dried out a bit (toward summer, if you started the autumn before), the heat doesn't have the same possibility for detrimental effects. With a country ham, you want the natural changes of temperature to work on the ham, rather than keeping the meat at a steady constant temp for the whole aging period.

I wish I could send you a sliver of this so you could try it. No one at the office is brave enough to taste it, but I brought a bit in for people to smell.

Jaq, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Mr. Jaq got me the food grinder attachment for my Kitchenaid at xmas, but aside from looking at it and reading the directions, I hadn't used it. UNTIL YESTERDAY! When I made fresh pork sausage and ground up a couple additional pounds of pork fat to render into lard. We bought 2 lbs of farm-raised pork stew meat at the market and I ground it with about 3/4 lb of fat - not quite enough, the sausage is a bit lean for my taste, but really tasty this morning for breakfast. Grinding the fat for rendering made a HUGE difference. I thought I'd get less than a pint of lard from the amount of fat I ground up, based on previous years' experience from chopping the fat into rough cubes. Instead, I got a pint and a half AND it rendered in 2/3rds the time. Definitely the way to go.

Jaq, Monday, 4 June 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

OMG, I organized a buying club for grass-fed/finished meat at work and got orders for over 100 lbs of meat on the first go-round.

Jaq, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 21:28 (eighteen years ago)

Talk about disappointing - I went to collect the meat this morning from the guy delivering it from the east side, and they had forgotten every bit of my order.

Jaq, Sunday, 10 June 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

OK not about buying meat 'in bulk', but about curing. I'm intrigued by this lamb bacon idea.

?: dude says to roast it for 2 1/2 hours at 250º; is it then ready to eat? That seems implied by roasting it until the internal temp reaches 140º. But what if you want to fry the bacon instead of roasting it? Who roasts bacon?

Leon Brambles (G00blar), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

i guess the roasting is just 'smoking' it. like, it's already cured after the sugar/salt combo??

t_g, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:31 (sixteen years ago)

I guess? So then I can fry it up?

Leon Brambles (G00blar), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:31 (sixteen years ago)

yeah dude give it a go and report back

t_g, Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:33 (sixteen years ago)

I'll have to get up the courage to ask my butchers if they have lamb saddle. They're the grumpiest dudes in the world.

Leon Brambles (G00blar), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 21:36 (sixteen years ago)


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