Convenience products the old-fashioned way

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Having recently read Fatland by Greg Critser with its terrifying info about HFCS and being in the midst of Something from the Oven by Laura Shapiro with its focus on American cooks' initial reluctance to use convenience products, I decided to make tomato paste today. It's been an all day process, from getting 5 pounds of tomatoes this morning at the farmer's market around 8 am to finally turning the heat off 10 minutes ago (nearly 6 pm) on approximately 1 cup of thick, aromatic, red goo. I'm debating on whether it's worth it or if I'm just being incredibly anachronistic.

That said, I've got a bunch of soup bones in the freezer to turn into stock, probably next weekend. I'm thinking about concentrating it down into a demi-glace. Has anyone done this? I have a feeling it could take 3 or 4 days of standing there stirring hypnotically.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I make a quasi-demiglace all the time -- I don't think I can quite call it demiglace, but I tend to cook down any stock I'm not using immediately until it's reduced as far as it'll go, and then I freeze or refrigerate it in small Zip-Loc cup things. If you're going to be close enough that you'd hear/smell something going wrong, you can pretty much let it simmer unattended and check in on it every hour/halfhour depending on how much you're starting with.

The concentrated stock is useful when I'm making a chicken soup with leftovers, too, and don't think it's got quite enough punch -- I just toss a spoonful in, and boom, soup steroids.

The really fun one, that makes you feel like you should have done a lot of work even though you didn't:

Half cup of heavy cream, whipped with a teaspoon or two of buttermilk
Set out overnight on the counter
Separated liquid poured off, everything else whipped back together with a dash of salt

Boom, you got butter.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 26 September 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! OK, now I want to try that.

I am really tempted to make things like mustard. Or ketchup. I wanted to make some ketchup this summer until I realized that me and my roommates almost never eat ketchup. But we do like mustard. I might still try that.

I did make some pasta today. My noodles came out all "artisan" shaped, since I'm not the most artsy craftsy person in the world. But they're easy enough to make that it seems silly not to, almost!

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 26 September 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha! Now I know what to call all my odd-shaped attempts - "artisanal"!

I've got to try that butter. We used to be able to get this incredible non-homogenized heavy cream at Whole Foods in glass jars - I bet it would make wonderful butter. I also wanted to try to make clotted cream with it, but they stopped carrying it and only had that ultra-pasteurized stuff.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 27 September 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(My cooking blog.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 September 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh hell, I wish I still had a Whole Foods. Bloomington has this place called Bloomingfoods, which is great in some respects, but its presence makes it impossible for Whole Foods to have a market niche. I'll bet that would've done great butter, though, yeah. I've found the butter tends to be harder when cool than storebought butter is, which I assume means the fat content is higher. I've thought about playing around with it like Steingarten, but I know how obsessive and expensive his attempts get, and I don't have the means to FedEx lactic cultures from Wisconsin or anything.

And woo Chris!

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 27 September 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris have you tried carrot Halva? another sweet way to use up those carrots.

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 27 September 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Carrot halva! Sounds ambitious. I'm also not sure I like halva. Sounds like my kind of project!

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 September 2004 13:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris, I love the fact you will cook things you've never really seen! Popovers - yeah!

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 27 September 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep thinking that I should buy a profiterole from a bakery or something before I try making one (someday, probably after I get a standing mixer).

(I should have posted this all in the "what have you cooked lately?" thread but I reckon most ILCooking fans tend to read all the threads -- certainly I have no suggestions for lamb or interest in reading up on it (I've been a vegetarian since I was 12) but the board isn't busy enough for me to have to be choosy, it's all good.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 27 September 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

please don't use normal cream if you make profiteroles, otherwise Vic will be most cross, apparently it *has* to be patisserie cream (which is a bit of a bind to make)

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 27 September 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

choux pastry is a bit of a bugger I've heard. I've never had the guts to try it. confectioners custard isn't a bind to make if you cheat and buy boxes of powdered stuff that you only need to add milk to!

Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just realised that that's not the old fashioned way, sorry!

Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 27 September 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It will be soon enough! With the slow food movement, etc., the next generation to say "I miss dinner the way Grandma used to make it" will mean "... from a box."

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 27 September 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

most of the things we buy at the store are pretty easy to make. it's just that you have to assemble the ingredients and then put some elbow grease to them. also, lots of people don't live in places where the raw ingredients are readily available.

people don't make the time to do a stock, make some butter, whip up some mayo, roll out some pasta, etc. or, more importantly, try to do it once, fail, and give up.

and it takes a bunch of practice to get to a satisfying result. once that's achieved, though, it's pretty easy to fit something into a busy schedule.

what bothers me most about buying things from the store is the amount of packaging that goes into something that I can make myself and store in a re-usable container. how many plastic bread bags can you put aside to use again before you become that weirdo with a pantry full of old plastic bread bags?

I feel a rant coming on...

mayo apetrain (mayoape), Thursday, 30 September 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

So I made some simple bolognese sauce with some of the homemade tomato paste this past week - it was definitely worth the effort. We bought 10 lbs of tomatoes at the farmers market yesterday and they are simmering away on the stove. I think 3 cups of paste will get us through the winter.

I also tried to make mayonnaisse for the first time this week - the stuff we had in the fridge was ancient and questionable. It turned out surprisingly well - 1 egg yolk, 1 tablespoon lemon juice, 1/2 tsp. salt, 3/4 cup of good olive oil. You have to whisk it until your arm falls off though and add the oil s-l-o-w-l-y, like a drop at a time at first.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 3 October 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

have you tried it in the food processor? works just fine.

did you find that olive oil made for too cloying a mayonnaise? just curious; I like to use just a little olive oil and a more neutral oil for the bulk of the mayo.

also: a friend of mine just told me about making a mayo with soy milk, which I am interested in trying (for when my vegan friends coma a-visiting)

mayo apetrain (mayoape), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Alas, no food processor. I do have a stand mixer, but have found it not the best for small amounts. Would one of those spiffy immersion blenders work?

Mostly, the mayo tasted of lemon, but the olive oil came through pretty strongly. I'm not normally much of a mayo fan, but I really liked the tang this gave to a roast pork sandwich. I think a blend of olive and maybe safflower would be good. We finished this batch off last night, so I'll go for my second try later this week.

We found out our supplier for organic pasture-ranged eggs has gone out of business, so I may have to find another source before I can make any more.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The spiffy immersion blender with whisk attachment worked great on the second batch of mayo (produced by husband yesterday). We don't use a lot of mayonnaise, so this will probably be a better option for us than having a huge ancient crusty jar in the back of the fridge.

He also brought home a can of Coleman's dry mustard powder, which says all you have to do is mix in some water to make mustard. Sounds suspiciously easy to me.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh... mind you don't use it as liberally as you would use French's...

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

That's hardly "the old fashioned way" of making mustard! Er, I think.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr Coleman made his fortune on the mustard you throw away when using powder. He worked out that more got chucked out than used. Try some in cheese sauce or cheese and potato pie though = nummy

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I made stocks quite a lot, and don't even think about it any more. Vegetable scraps go into ziploc freezer bags until full, and join roasted bones and leftover chicken carcasses in the pot.

I did make homemade mayo once, and it was delicious, but too rich for me to eat except on something special. For everyday dishes like deviled eggs, commercial mayo does fine.

The only convenience product I've done that was impressive are meat pies/turnovers and maybe the cinnamon rolls, which most people buy in tubes now.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 10 October 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

So as an update - I roasted two chickens over the past two weeks, made stock of both and reduced it dramatically. The original 12 quarts of stock reduced to about 1.5 cups of strong jellied chicken essence. Much much handier to store in either the fridge or freezer!

Tonight I reconstituted a tablespoon of the concentrate into 4 cups of water for risotto. The overall verdict is "worth it".

So next weekend, concentrated beef stock is the project.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 18 October 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Does this work with vegetable stock?

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 18 October 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you could concentrate a vegetable stock just as much. It wouldn't gel, but would get nice and syrupy.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 18 October 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I regularly do this with vegetable stock. I take all my old veggie bits -- carrot tops, cucumber rind, garlic paper, apple cores, and stick them in a box in the freezer. Come stock-making day, I dump 'em into a pot with 1.5 gallons of water, reduce it to 3c, strain it, pour it into a wide-mouth mason jar, and freeze it again. Often, especially with vegetable stock, I add soy sauce instead of salt -- it greatly improves the color, and lends a very nice flavor.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 18 October 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Revive for a dumb question!

Can you make chicken stock from the left over roast bones? I thought maybe you could, as I had 6 drumsticks left over from dinner the other night I threw out, and it seemed a shame.

So - roast carcass, good for stock? Do you have to rinse it/get rid of stuffing etc first? Is it better to use raw chicken? Help!

Also, how long can veggie scraps stay frozen before being stockified? I have some carrot and celery tops in the freezer but theyve been there months, will they be ok?

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 6 June 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Trayce - yes you can. Though I'd get rid of the stuffing, and trim off any skin and whatnot (you'll only have to skim it off later anyway.).

Matt (Matt), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:45 (twenty years ago)

Roasted carcasses is the main way I make poultry stock. We generally roast a chicken once a week - I freeze the carcass of one with all the pan drippings, then make up the stock after I roast a second one. I put all the fat and skin in, but I don't stuff ours (maybe some halved lemons, but none of that bready stuff).

I think as long as your frozen veggies aren't freezer-burnt (no ice crystals in with them), they're good to go.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and I finally made up some of that Coleman's mustard stuff. Yow! Is it ever hot! I mixed it up with 1/2 vinegar, 1/2 water, some brown sugar, and a pinch of salt. Most excellent on grilled brats and kielbasa.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)


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