Where you will — and won't — cut corners

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For a bowl of pasta, I have real Parmigiano Reggiano. But for the batch of pesto I have in mind, I've bought a lesser brand. No, it's not in a green can, or even pre-grated. What are some of the areas where you'll buy less expensive product? And, somewhat related, are you brand-loyal to a lot of products, just a few, or none?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not too brand loyal. I usually just buy whatever's on sale for the week at my grocery store. I do tend to try to buy local/organic foods, though.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I will generally buy a less expensive product, because I am poor. I will bump up to an organic version of the same product if the price isn't much more. And I can't think of any products where I'm brand-loyal...

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a strange affinity for Goya-brand foods because they are cheap and pretty tasty.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It just struck me, after reading this thread and going to the kitchen to get a cookie, that I won't buy chocolate chips that aren't Nestle Tollhouse. If they're not available or I don't feel like using them, I chop up a chocolate bar instead (which isn't exactly cutting a corner, since the chocolate bar is likely to be much more expensive).

I always buy Heinz over Hunt's, but will occasionally (once in a blue moon) buy a third-party ketchup.

I am a little aghast at my girlfriend for always buying "Kraft marshmallow creme," and calling it fluff, and not realizing that there is an actual marshmallow product called Fluff, of which others are only imitations. (This was less weird once I realized that they don't sell Fluff here, so it's plausible that she's right when she says they didn't sell it where she grew up, either. But I'm still aghast.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh: and I always use the jarred shredded Parmesan for pasta, not out of a preference exactly, but taking out the real stuff and finding a place to put my plate down so I can grate the cheese onto it seems to be exactly the amount of work that's required for me to decide not to bother. So whenever I have the real stuff and I haven't bought it for a specific purpose, I end up not using it.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't your plate going to be put down at some point anyways?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Not in the kitchen. (See previous "I have about two square feet of surface in my kitchen" thread.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I admit that I've never been seriously tempted to make my own mayonnaise because I love Best Foods/Hellmann's so much. I think mayo and toilet paper are the only two products I'm completely brand-loyal about. I know I should make my own mayonnaise, but if Tep can admit he uses pre-shredded Parmesan, I can admit the mayo thing.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just that, where I come from, we put the cheese out on the table with the rest of the condiments to be used for the meal. That way, if you get halfway through and decide you want more cheese (or whatever), you can add it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll always buy Philadelphia cream cheese over the store brand any day, even if it's twice the price. Tillamook ice cream and hard cheeses also get my vote. I think that's it for brands really.

I do try to buy locally produced stuff whenever possible, and directly from the farmer also.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I won't cut corners on the Parmigianno-Reggiano, but I don't eat pasta all that much so it's not an expensive habit.

For some applications, in sauces and baking, there is no substitute for heavy cream. Milk doesn't work. Again, it's not called for very often so this isn't a big inconvenience.

Let's see, what else--Wine. In a time when any human can get a decent wine for under $10 there is no excuse for heat-damaged partially vinegarized crap. I really do read the reviews and seek out decent wine.

Olive oil for cooking everything. Other oils just don't satisfy unless it's peanut oil/sesame oil for a stir fry. I don't use lard though I love the lard concept.

In the backyard, I accept no substitute for Nathan's brand hot dogs.

Now, what *do* I substitute:
I *will* substitute a teaspoon of vinegar in regular milk for buttermilk when baking.

I have no mayonnaise loyalty.

In bisciuts, I substitute Crisco for lard even though I know lard is better tasting. Health and all that.

And

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 10 October 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Buttermilk from the store isn't what buttermilk used to be anyways. You might as well.

I'm on a new kick where I'm no longer substituting yoghurt for sour cream. I don't like sour cream, but I figure once it's baked into something like coffee cake, it doesn't taste like sour cream any more. So.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 October 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you noticed if it changes the texture / fluff factor?

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 10 October 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't yet, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been doing anything. Is one more acidic than the other?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 October 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm actually not sure. I was just curious--I know that those who are privvy to the secrets of baking chemistry would probably know, but I've actually been out of the cooking loop for a while. I took a bit of a sabbatical and let my friends cook chili dogs for me.

I haven't baked in a long time, and I hope I haven't lost my touch for Choc chip scones. Living alone makes baking feel a bit pointless. God that sounds depressing, didn't mean it to! Cooking for myself is kind of like a de-motivator. I need a dinner party or event or something.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 10 October 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Jaq's post about the double batch of biscuits on the other thread reminds me of one place I will definitely cut corners: frozen biscuits. Some food scientist in the bowels of Pillsbury HQ deserves a Nobel for coming up with these things. I never managed to do these right, and my wife's were kinda hit-or-miss, so it's great to be able to pop a couple of hockey pucks in the oven and have good biscuits in a few minutes.

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 October 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I just read a book about baking chemistry, and I don't remember it saying. And then I returned it to the library. Oh well.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 11 October 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

On the sour cream vs. yoghurt thing - I'd think the main difference is that sour cream is, well, cream, where yoghurt isn't, so the higher fat would make the crumb more tender. Like when I make coffee cake with cream instead of milk, it rises just as high, but the texture is more velvety. Something like that.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 11 October 2004 11:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw a commercial for Pillsbury microwave biscuits. I definitely won't go that far!

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

!! I'm curious, just for the novelty, but good lord.

I agree about the frozen ones, though, they're great. I've had worse scratch biscuits, and in the South at that -- but more importantly, nine times out of ten when I think to myself, "a biscuit would be nice," I don't secretly mean, "twenty biscuits would be nice." Being able to make one or two or three at a time without the others going to waste, that's perfect (I'm not even taking into account my lack of surface area, rolling pin, or hand durability).

Besides, a biscuit with cane syrup is a perfect late night snack in all the ways that making a batch of biscuits in the middle of the night isn't.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

It would be a fun project to divide a biscuit recipe so that it produces one biscuit.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Until the wet ingredients went in, it would look like some illegal drug procedure. "Chop a line of baking powder..."

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That's how I've been measuring out the 1/16th tsp of yeast that I need for certain bread doughs.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

1/16th tsp of yeast

!!!

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

A whole new meaning to "cooking up."

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

You put 1/16 tsp of yeast in a biga, which is an Italian-style starter, when you're making a single loaf of, say, pugliese. Then you give it a good long willy of a while to rise (6 hours or so). Then you add a little more yeast when you mix in the rest of the flour.

The general theory is that less yeast with slower rises means tastier bread.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Homemade mayonnaise. Purchased stuff is shite. Never substituting nuts. Thompson raisins only. Olive oil for everyting (mentioned upthread). All soup made from scratch. Especially broths. I make these obsessively.

I do buy frozen squash, shrimp, and use tin pumpkin, corn, and various beans if they're ingredients (but not central ones) in various dishes.

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't there some things you'd want to use other vegetable oils for? Because you don't want the olive oil flavor, or because it has a different reaction to heat?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 14 October 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Generally you can use other grades (i.e. not extra virgin) of olive oil for things where you don't want (and don't want to pay for) a noticeable olive oil flavor -- that was the usual thing in the South, since other vegetable oils weren't commonly available until last century. (I don't know if that's what Jeremy and Orbit do, of course.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 14 October 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't there some things you'd want to use other vegetable oils for? Because you don't want the olive oil flavor, or because it has a different reaction to heat?

-- Casuistry (chri...), October 13th, 2004 7:10 PM. (later)

There are quite a few instances where you'll want a more neutral oil than olive, and I'm a big fan of a high-grade canola for these. It's relatively healthy, inexpensive, and never gets cloudy.

Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 14 October 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

like Chris says, Olive oil burns at too low a temperature for some stuff, for instance, If I'm sealing a roast or semi-deep frying things. Then it'll be groundnut oil.

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 14 October 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I use different grades of olive oil--extra virgin is only for salad dressing or other uncooked applications so the bitter taste extra virgin gets when cooked isn't a problem. If I deep fried I would probably use canola oil, but I don't deep fry anything.

I find that two grades of olive oil and unsalted butter pretty much take care of my cooking needs. I do use canola oil spray (Pam) when baking, though.

I learned the hard way about trying to cook with extra virgin olive oil--I tried to reduce it in a sauce and yuck! Bitter, ew, not even heavy cream could rescue it.

Orbit (Orbit), Thursday, 14 October 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I do use canola oil spray (Pam) when baking, though.

Didn't we have a thread about indispensable cooking gadgets? I couldn't find it. The above thought reminded me of mine. I love my olive oil sprayer with a passion that borders on indecent. http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=185219

Rabin the Cat (Rabin the Cat), Friday, 15 October 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

That does look useful. And far more classy than the mister from the garden I would've reached for ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 15 October 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought an atomizer a while back, and I'm pissed with it because it doesn't even work! I'll admit, it was a $1.50 cheap red plastic thing, but still, you'd expect it could at least, you know, do the simple task it was advertised as doing. (I'm just using it to mist water onto certain breads that like it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 16 October 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)


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