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This is my first post on this board. I like eating other people's cooking a lot but I am not good at cooking myself. But I want to be. And I want to read about cooking. I am one of those "can't even cook a decent omelette" people. But I am here to change. So where should I start?

adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Jessa at Bookslut posted reviews to some cooking magazines. She doesn't seem to think too highly of Everyday Food (but maybe it's just this issue in particular), but from what I've read it seems like it might be a good place for beginning cooks to start from. The recipes are fast and easy, they don't call for too many obscure tools and there's interesting info.

Before this issue, if you had handed me a sack of brussels sprouts, I wouldn't have known what to do with them. But after reading about them in Everyday Food, I learned the proper way to buy, store and prepare them.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

How to Cook Everything by Mark Bittman is a good book to start with, too. Very easy to read and follow along with, and most of the recipes are not too complicated.

Leon the Fratboy (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually once you learn a few techniques (like what to add to the pan first, how hot the pan should be) you will be surprised at how easy it is to cook something good. Post a food and we'll give you suggestions on how to treat it!

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's going to depend on what your goal is. Do you want to be able to cook things for people and yourself, soon? Learn through recipes. But in the long run, if you become a good cook, you'll do so by losing all the bad habits you pick up through recipe-dependency. It's harder to learn by reading about food and technique instead of recipes, but you learn more -- you're learning a grammar instead of some Berlitz phrases. (Baking is an exception, because it's closer to chemistry than cooking, and even most good cooks aren't invested enough in baking to learn its grammar.)

But if that's not what you want to learn, there's nothing wrong with just crashcoursing your way through a week's menus or what have you.

As far as reading, in the context of talking about How to Read a French Fry I recently said:

86 -- How to Read a French Fry, Russ Parsons.

There are about five books every cook should own:

1: The Joy of Cooking gives you a nice, broad handle on the basics without making any pretense of instruction and without offering anything in the way of food porn. Instruction and food porn are fine if you're looking for the hardcover equivalent of the Food Network, but they're responsible for very few good cooks. Joy is time-tested -- you know it "works," because it's been around for so long and everyone's been using it; I don't know when it was first published, but the copy I grew up with was a wedding present to my mother and had been published in the 1950s.

2: A mildly instructional standard text isn't a bad idea for recipe followers or people who suddenly realize that the one thing Joy doesn't have is a handy guide to how long to cook a cut of meat for -- Betty Crocker and Better Homes & Gardens publish virtually interchangeable cookbooks that serve this niche, and like Joy, they're more reliable and time-tested than allrecipes.com (which is fine as a supplement, or a bag of ideas for someone who isn't going to actually follow the recipes). If you're a slavish recipe-follower, your best bet is to take a month and cook three meals a week from recipes in your red binder-bound cookbook, and then burn the thing and carry on like you know what you're doing. It'll turn out no one cares you forgot the 1/8 teaspoon of cloves.

3, 4: A Cook's Tour and It Must've Been Something I Ate amount to essay collections about good eating by good cooks, and each of them involves a broad enough selection of food and cuisine that it'll help you think outside the menu.

5: How to Read a French Fry covers the science of cooking just enough to let you know what's going on in the aspects you can change. There are other food science books that are more in-depth, but they mostly involve things that can't affect how you're going to cook -- this, on the other hand, explains the five life stages of cooking oil and why perfectly fresh oil won't cook your French fry, it'll just make it hot; why that British TV guy's recipe for risotto isn't a recipe for risotto (Keith Famie, I want to say his name was; he added all the ingredients at once, covered the pot, and cooked it for 20 minutes); that the important differences between "fruit" and "vegetable" isn't the pedantic one or the culinary one but the fact that fruits have more volatile ripeness; how emulsions work, why, and what the easiest ways to cheat are; and so on.

It isn't the kind of book you should just read once. Ideally, you own it, and keep it on your shelf. (I don't own it; I got it from the library. But I should own it.)

There is maybe too much time spent on recipes -- not so many are needed to illustrated the author's points, and they're a little too Californian (goat cheese, artichokes, etc) to be of broad or timeless interest.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(A corollary that readers of my blog would've been familiar with, re: #4 -- ignore every essay Steingarten writes dealing with science, nutrition, etc. His cooking is good. His food writing is good. His reminiscence is sometimes outstanding. His science is embarrassingly bad.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Here are a few of my handy basic technique tips:

1. When cooking with oil in a sautee pan, add your onions, egg, or whatever when the pan is just hot enough to make your hand held over it uncomfortable, and BEFORE the oil is hot enough to smoke or pop.

2. Keep in mind that the temperature in the pan will lower as soon as you add your ingredients so wait a minute before you drastically cut heat or make big adjustments.

3. Slice rather than chop garlic.

4. When sauteeing or stir frying vegetables: Add ingredients in steps. Onion first, garlic, then the vegetable that takes the longest to cook, others according to how long it takes them to cook. For example, broccoli first, green beans later.

5. Do NOT, I repeat DO NOT add fresh herbs until the last minute of cooking no matter what the recipe says. Add dried herbs early in cooking.

6. Use shallots instead of onions; use leeks instead of onions where you want a more complex / subtle flavor. Leeks taste more buttery.

7. When making soup, be sure to sweat the vegetables before adding any stock/liquid

These are little things but they will make your food taste better.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Joy of Cooking started me off. How To Cook Everything filled in a few gaps but it was too dependent on food processors to be satisfying. Cooks Illustrated books are terrific, plus they go into lengthy descriptions as to (1) what they were looking for when they made the recipe and (2) what variations they tried when coming up with the recipe, and what happened. Plus they're filled with lots of handy tips.

If you're interested in bread-making I can recommend some books as well.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(And, just to clarify, I was in the same situation as you until this past summer.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Cook's Illustrated. It's the only magazine I consistently buy. They do wonderful reports on their failed attempts, explaining why a particular thing went horribly wrong.

Does anyone think it's worth watching cooking shows for technique? If so, are there any you recommend?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Only shows that emphasize technique like Jacques Pepin, Julia Child and David Rosengarten's original "Taste" series. Most of the stuff of the food network is infotainment. Pretty to look at but they don't tell you the little secrets.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

How to Boil Water used to do a decent job of technique for beginners, but the show has gone through so many incarnations I have no idea if that's the case now. But yeah, most of what's good on the Food Network isn't instructional, and most of what's instructional on it isn't good.

(Sara Moulton's show sort of pretends to be instructional while pretty much just being entertaining, although it's good for the latter; the problem is you really can't have a live cooking show aimed both at getting a complete meal done in sixty minutes and at explaining how it's done.)

Mario's show is not bad -- not the Eats Italy one, the other one -- but the technique content is pretty minimal; depends on the episode, though.

Alton Brown's Good Eats might be the exception. In many ways, his show is the closest thing to Rosengarten's Taste, and it's better in most ways -- but so much of it has become devoted to his cult of celebrity that it's like a glossy magazine with eleven pages you need to flip past before you even get to the letters to the editor. The signal to noise is low and I'm not sure you can't get just as much out of it reading the transcripts and skimming past his little skits. He's one of the only TV cooks who wasn't a restaurant chef or involved in any way with the restaurant business, too, which gives him a much better perspective on food and cooking. (Tony Bourdain's show is great in many ways because it isn't a cooking show, which he knows he would be terrible at.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

On the other hand, any show that actually shows the cooks cooking -- which sounds like an unnecessary disclaimer, but even seemingly instruction-driven shows like Rachael Ray's often have the camera pulled back too far for you to see her hands and what's actually going on -- will teach beginners something. There's a huge amount of stuff that experienced cooks can forget people need to learn, especially if the people in question haven't grown up observing people cooking -- but it can be tedious to devote attention purely to that kind of instruction, and professional cooks tend not to be good at teaching it except by example.

Little things like browning meat for stew before adding the liquid, roasting garlic, letting meat rest before slicing it, things that aren't tips and don't merit a magazine article, things that are just what you do, those things I probably learned from cooking shows.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The original incarnation of How To Boil Water was one of my favorite shows. I didn't realize they had revamped it -- after the original host was able to cook regular meals, the show fizzled out.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it was really good when I watched it regularly -- not sure if it was the original or not at the time, the one with the young guy as the clueless one and a female chef who was a little older than him (I think)? He had a very 90s haircut. I think it was taken off the schedule altogether for awhile, but apparently Emeril was on it at some point, and more recently I think Tyler Florence has been the chef.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of. The female chef was quiet and not nearly as silly as him (he was originally a stand-up comic) but she was fierce and would shoot him these great "you idiot" glares every once in a while.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

How to Cook Everything by Mark Bittman is my favorite 'easy' book. It is food-processor heavy, but I don't really see that as a disadvantage. I also recommend starting your culinary adventures with a particular ethnic cuisine which interests you; it's easier to get a handle if you're working with similar ingrediants and preparations than a just-general sense of cooking.

Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 18 November 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have a food processor, though!

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 18 November 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)

do you have a mandolin? they're super helpful, but you have to be extra-careful not to slice-off a finger.

Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

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the apex of nadirs (Rock Hardy), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not have a mandoline. I have a shredder that I can pretend is not entirely unlike a mandoline (actually it's my roommate's). The only fancy thing I have is the KitchenAid.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I lust...

Remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

It's made me about 400% sexier.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

It wouldn't surprise me if there were a food processor attachment for the KitchenAid.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there is a vegetable chopper attachment, if that's what you mean.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
So I got The Joy Of Cooking for Christmas. More updates to follow.

Lil' Trick Thug (nordicskilla), Thursday, 30 December 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I git Anthony Bourdain's Les Halles cookbook, it's got some great advice in it, I like it when a book is more than just a bunch of recipes and some pictures, what the chef's thinking and why he's using certain things is very useful.

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 30 December 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I got the new Gourmet cookbook, which is enormous and has annoying yellow type for the recipe names, but is chock full of stuff. I want a look at that Bourdain cookbook; I like that business of peeking into a chef's thought process - I think that's why I like some of James Beard's books, like Eat Better for Less Money which has lots of narrative.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 30 December 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw that the thread was titled "Hello" and though, oh, it's an Adam L. thread, and it was. But then I realized it was a thread from a while back and I felt less clever.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 30 December 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no, another message board to suck up my time. I knew it was a good idea to wait before I spent my amazon.com gift certificate xmas present. Cooking related books will soon be purchased.

Anyway, one ILE, I was asking for some recommendations on what to cook with my new griddle (besides pancakes and grilled cheese sandwiches), and Orbit kindly directed me to ILC. Anyone have any particular favorites?

Lingbertt, Friday, 31 December 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I should start a separate thread for this.

Lingbertt, Friday, 31 December 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Welcome aboard!

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 1 January 2005 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for having me.

Lingbertt, Saturday, 1 January 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I git Anthony Bourdain's Les Halles cookbook

Ditto! Though I am somewhat annoyed at him for giving away a few trade secrets.

Matt (Matt), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

such as? I assume the risotto trick?

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 3 January 2005 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

mark bittman's cookbooks with jean-georges whatever-his-name-is have lots of good advice, too, and lots of really well-adapted recipes from restaurant kitchens with accompanying tricks. the simple to spectacular one offers 3 different levels of fuss for each recipe, and it's interesting to see how they get from points a to c even if you never use the more way-out preparations.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)


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