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Wine, that is.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Me, I only like white. Why? (This is really dumb) Because it's cold. I can't stand drinking anything at room temperature. Even water. Plus, red wine turns your teeth purple and I want to laugh at people who talk to me with purple teeth.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I can only drink white when it's in the middle of summer. Otherwise, I don't appreciate drinking something that doesn't taste like anything. I'd rather be drinking water. I'll take the purple mouth anyday.

Jessa (Jessa), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also: I once read in a stupid women's magazine that to avoid looking silly with a purple tongue and teeth, consider drinking the wine through a straw! Because that won't make you look like a fucking imbecile.)

Jessa (Jessa), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

white and red, depending on what I'm eating, and what I feel like (sometimes red because you need to warm yourself...) but I've never heard before of purple teeth and mouth, that must depend on the wine you're drinking, that, forgive me if I may sound pretentious, cannot be that good if it stains your mouth!
My mum, who like you can't stand room temperature drinks, puts the red in the fridge, and it's not that bad. Even then, I think it depends on the type of wine...

misshajim (strand), Friday, 20 August 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing like a chilled Gewurtztraminer (spicy white wine, great with Indian food too) or Reisling (fruitier white) in the summertime (next to a tall gin and tonic...). Reds generally get served too warm in the states - most should be served cool (~60F). I read somewhere that you should put your reds in the fridge for 1/2 an hour to cool them off a bit.

Unfortunately, the bolder the red, the more highly extracted the flavors and aromas, the more likely it is to turn you purple. California Zinfandels and Aussie shirazes are especially notorious, but incredibly good. Lighter Bordeaux style wines (cab sauv/merlot/cab franc blends) and pinot noirs aren't so bad for it, but they are too subtle to stand well on their own generally and need to accompany food.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 21 August 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

My family is prone to migraines from red, which is a shame since it's, you know, the yum. So I mostly drink white. It's, you know, better than beer, generally.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 21 August 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It depends, VG!! You can' t drink white winw with chees or red meat! And it's really hateble drink red with light fish.
Remember: if you're eating something fat absolutly red (thnaks to his tannic acid it will "rinse" your mouth by fats). White with some vegetables and light fish (not salmon, for example!!)
The best reds, for me, are french and italian (Over all Barolo and Barbaresco!!). Not bad californian and south american too..
White...from everywhere.
Only one thing is important. When you open a bottle of wine and you don't like it... put it away and use it to cook.. For you open another one!!

Bed, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

When you open a bottle of wine and you don't like it... put it away and use it to cook..

Okay, so that's a really good idea and I feel dumb for not thinking of it. Once you open a bottle of red, put a cork back in it, can it sit for months before you use it? Or, is the shelf life only a week or so?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I've kept wine for a couple months like that -- anything lost in the process would have ended up lost in the cooking anyway, most of the time.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

MFK Fisher said don't cook with a bottle of wine you wouldn't drink. (Cooking wines themselves are an abomination of wine with salt added.) Why would you put an ingredient that doesn't taste good in your food? It will probably taste okay, of course, but with good wine it will be better.

Rabin the Cat (Rabin the Cat), Thursday, 26 August 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

If you don't like it because it's too tannic or too hot (tastes more like raw alcohol), it's probably okay to cook with. You can keep re-corked wine in the fridge for a few weeks or so, but it will oxidize and eventually get vinegary and nasty.

If you don't like the wine because it smells funny (like musty gym socks or ammonia) or tastes rotten, for heavens sake, don't cook with it. It's possibly corked (if it has a natural cork, not a screw top or plastic cork) or adulterated in some way. Those odors/tastes don't "cook out" of it.

You can also trick out a thin, sourish wine with some fruit juice, sugar, and club soda, like a sangria spritzer or wine punch. Not bad for summer sipping.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 26 August 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Perfect Jaq.
Rabin, sometimes wine is good but you don't like it. It happens. So, when you find it...use it to cook, I mean.

Bed (Bed), Thursday, 26 August 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
most people I know look at me like I've suggested drinking urine if I mention white wine. So I feel sorry for it. But in general I prefer red wine. One bad thing about white wine is that it is so more-ish, which means we always drink the whole goddamn bottle rather than just a glass.

Still, my single favourite wine is an Argentinian Etchart. But in the main I adopt a get-it-down-you anti-rockist approach to wine drinking.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

we've been drinking a lot more white lately, especially Viognier (probably due to summer etc) it may be time to get back on the heavy reds.

DV, that's a good wine that, we get it whenever we go to Calais

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

but white wine DOES taste like piss. wait no, piss and vinegar.
Red for me, and nothing but.

oooops, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

then you've been drinking the wrong whites

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Or the right piss!

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Regardless of the meal, I tend to prefer reds with one exception: Champagne or Gewurtraminer with spicy, ultra sweet, or salty food.

The reds just please me more. It's not that I don't know whites can be pleasing, but it's a different aesthetic: light, crisp, pipi du chat and all that.

I prefer the coffee, tobacco, vanilla, and smoky notes of a heavy red, like an aged zin, cab, or merlot. I like lighter reds (Beaujolais etc) if they are paired with foods that like them.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 October 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

We are so happy to be living in the heart of Washington's wine country, with scads of gewurztraminers and lembergers (aka blaufrankish) and cabernets galore. And last year we spent 3 months living in Santa Rosa California, in the midst of Napa and the Alexander valley and the Russian river, where we stocked up on zin and sangiovese.

Have you ever had a methode champenoise red? I've had two very different ones, both Australian: a sparkling chambourcin from the Hunter valley - fruity and fizzy with a nice mousse and cheerful nose, and a shiraz from Peter Lehmann called The Black Queen - chocolate, licorice, an incredible long finish, really delightful. These are not your pink champagne sort of things.

Lately we've been trying lots of different blends of reds and are particularly fond of Big Red Truck from Cline. It's gone well with everything from roast pork to beef stroganoff.

Wine wine wine spo-dee-o-dee, pass that bottle to me!

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd love to try that Black Queen. I've never seen a hefty red sparkling wine. I am a big fan of Korbel Rouge, but it's a lightweight wine.

Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I have one bottle left of Black Queen (of 3 I bought in Aus.) Was going to open it for my 40th birthday, but I cancelled all plans for that one (long sordid story) and hid out for a week. Then, we were going to open it for our first anniversary, but we forgot to bring the keys to the wine locker with us over to Seattle on that trip. So, it's holed up over there, waiting for the next Big Occasion.

One of the worst wine things I ever did was wait too long to open a particularly special bottle. When I finally deemed an occasion worthy, it was ruined - the cork had shrunk up and the wine leaked and evaporated and oxidized and rotted (all from very bad storage practices).

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Tonight we drank what I think was the oldest bottle of wine in our cellar - a 1991 cab sauv from Peterson's in Australia. I bought it on my first trip to Oz; it was their 10th anniversary release.

We had it with hamburgers and it was excellent.

On opening, I noticed the cork had leaked a bit on the downside, but the wine wasn't oxidized a bit. The slightest hint of raisin, but otherwise nice solid fruit and still firm tannins. Really lovely, velvety and smooth.

The bottle of Black Queen mentioned upthread is still in the cellar, waiting.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 27 January 2006 05:33 (twenty years ago)

Both, please, according to the course.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 27 January 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Our cellar had been leaning heavily to the reds until last year when we started laying in some lovely gewurtz (Canoe Ridge) and white blends (Walla Voila from L'Ecole 41 and white table wine from 3 Rivers, also Red Truck White from Cline is incredibly good). We moved all our wine out of storage awhile ago, but haven't put up all the racking, so it's just boxes of upside down bottles in there at the moment and tough to find a particular bottle. I just randomly grab 2 or 3 to check out.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 27 January 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

we got some delicious banrock station reserve fizzy pinot noir, half price from sainsbury's, blimey is it tasty stuff.

We've been a bit red heavy, but seem to have been drinking lots of white! I bought some rieslings for the first time in a decade before christmas, I'd forgotten how sweet they could be! We've got shedloads of gusty australian reds in the 'cellar'

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 27 January 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Wheeeeee! I love how happy Iget sharing two bottles of recd! :)!!!! Sangiovesesssss! woot!

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 29 January 2006 04:09 (twenty years ago)

okay 3 = too many

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 29 January 2006 05:19 (twenty years ago)

ha. the difference in drunkenness resulting from having 3 rather than 2 bottles of wine is enormous, much more than it should be based solely on volume.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 29 January 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

It's somehow logarithmic. My aching head, aargghh.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 29 January 2006 23:22 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
We finished a dusty bottle of '93 Carmenet Dynamite Cab Sauv last night - so so good! I bought it for the label when it was released. Wish I'd had the foresight to buy more than 1!

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
On a whim last week, I bought a bottle of Barnard Griffin 2005 Sangiovese Rosé. We had some with dinner tonight and it is wonderful - dry, bright cherry red, with the fragrance of tart red cherries and a whack of the typical Sangiovese spiciness (clove-like, with some faint muskiness). Really really good and will be lovely as a summer wine alternative to gewurtztraminer and riesling.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 3 April 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)


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