Red Dead Redemption

being able to set buildings on fire looks boss; I just hope it's not merely something the designer has to specially trigger, but that you can just chuck a fire bottle at any barn you like and poof.

I'd be very surprised if you could actually set buildings on fire. In that video the molotov cocktail looks like an animation that'll burn out over time. But that would be AWESOME.

It would be awesome! This is one of the things that bugs me about playing for mass destruction in GTA: you can blow up cars but you can't reconfigure the city, which seems so un-sandbox-like (like, isn't the point of a sandbox to kick over your siblings' castles?)

Yeah, environment destruction is like the holy grail of sandbox games. Especially if it stayed like that and effected gameplay in the future, the way it (apparently) does in Battlefield. I remember some BS about gta4 saying something to that effect was in it. You can go into every building and you can blow up buildings and when you shoot a building the bullethole stays for 100 yrs and also it is a fun game

also u sound like the meanest brother ever fwiw

haha well when my kids play in sandboxes, they each build castles and then kick each others' over; it's not what I'd do but it seems to be lots of fun for them.

in Saints Row 2 you can blow up the subway train on the elevated tracks and if you hit it hard enough (I did it using cheats) it falls off the tracks and disrupts traffic. It's cool b/c it's a huge train, not just a bunch of cars like you can set up in GTA4. But leveling a building would be orders of magnitude more fun.

Red Dead Redemption would be a good place to try this b/c I expect the urban environments will be pretty sparse compared to e.g. Liberty City.

hopefully they'll turn their hand to another bully after this

antexit / Euler - a few points 1. Battlefield isn't a sandbox game. 2. in the last Red Faction game you could destroy pretty much everything (that was kind of the point of the game) and it stayed destroyed - but destroying stuff endlessly gets boring fast - it's hardly the "holy grail." 3. Permanent environmental destruction certainly will not be in Red Dead Redemption as they're using basically the exact same engine as GTA 4

well yeah destroying things endless does get boring fast, but so do sandbox games generally when all you do is mass destruction. The good sandbox games, like Bully, give you things to do that are fun besides just going nuts. But in an environment like Liberty City it'd be great if you could destroy buildings and then they'd be replaced with new ones, à la Sim City.

a little more new footage (in this ad for Gamestops lame pre-order bonus deal)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ9WUStl4vE

lol at 'realistic physics' that involve people flying backwards when they get shot

I thought people did fly backwards when they were shot with shotguns. Have movies, video games, and Luis Guzman in Carlito's Way led me astray?

I've shot a big stuffed animal with a shotgun from 50 yards away and man did that thing fly.

i think milo's point was that the silliness of people putting a lot of work into developing a realistic engine, and making it a selling point of the game, all for the ultimate goal of making people fly backwards when they get shot.

I just realised this game is probably going to have similar online modes to GTA4

0_o awesome

considering a PS3 just for this

^^^

the MP lobby... is the game world

"Seriously, who'd have thought that something as dry as a game lobby could be exciting? Leave it to Rockstar to prove us all wrong. The Grand Theft Auto developer recently unveiled the oft rumoured but never confirmed, multiplayer portion of its next open-world saga, Red Dead Redemption -- and the lobby might be the game's most exciting element. Why? Because it's practically a Wild West MMORPG.

The lobby is a fully playable version of the entire game world that's populated with both random CPU characters and live gamers -- though the numbers will never approach World of Warcraft levels. In our visit, we created a "posse" with friends and roamed freely about the map, engaging in activities from hunting wild animals to hunting other gamers. There are even ad hoc missions (like besieging a desert ranch filled with bandits) that feel a lot like raids. Whether running from the sheriff or shooting wildlife in the desert, everything we do can net us experience points which are used to customize our appearance and upgrade our horse, weapons, and "title". There are also new multiplayer modes to unlock like the standard 16-player deathmatch and a team-based "capture the bag" (both of which start with a spectacular face-to-face quick-draw duel). But. to be honest, we didn't spend a lot of time with those other modes, because we couldn't pry ourselves away from the lobby!"

Picture 1: Two players on a horse-drawn carriage. "The lobby is like a limit-free version of GTA IV's free roam mode set against a brilliantly atmospheric Wild West backdrop."

Picture 2: Player as Sheriff, points gun at camera; another player waits to shot him in the back. "Once we joined a party-- er, "posse" -- we were in constant communication with teammates."

Picture 3: 3 on 5 Gunfight near the wreckage of an abandoned church in the desert. "Anyone can travel to any point on the map (including building interiors), regardless of the location of lobby visitors."

This game is going to pwn my life

This game is going to give meaning to my life.

This game probably won't affect my life much but I'm looking forward to it.

chances of me not going outlaw immediately upon starting this approx 0%, with rounding. the old west is not the kinda place to be a good guy imo.

I always play moral choice games as a good guy with a cruel streak.

I am officially mega-psyched about this game

this looks a lot better than call of juarez 2. wish i had a ps3.

Why do people keep saying ps3? Is this an exclusive? Do third-party exclusives still exist?

Def not an exclusive. I'm already preordered for the 360.

uh i just picked that up in this thread somehow, you're right obviously and i need coffee. good news!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKt3AbXiiPA

oh man

Multiplayer Free Roam trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHATzQ7BeI

ye gods that looks incredible. ilg posse in effect

http://grab.by/3COo

If I get this when it comes out, it's just going to totally take over every free second of my existence, right?

Pretty sure I'm going to spend hours just wandering around doing side missions.

"go on a gentle hunt together"

am *really* looking forward to this.

i am so so pumped for this. if this game doesn't absolutely rule i will never allow myself to dream again.

The good thing about this coming out in late May is I don't know of a single other game that is coming out till September or maybe October that I have any interest in, so if it lives up to the videos, I should have plenty of time to get the most out of it.

also near my birthday; boosts the chance that I might actually get this game

have thought exactly the same jeff

if i do get this i think i'll have to resign myself to not finishing it or seeing 'everything', and just look at it like i'm going wander around deadwood for an hour or two. otherwise it might drive me insane.

"go on a gentle hunt together"

If your group is anything like the guys I used to game with, that'll last about 30 seconds into the first dispute re:loot. Then it'll turn into Reservoir Dogs, Wild West style.

oh and if multiplayer games can be customised to only allow knives and dynamite as in Lucasarts Outlaws, then this should be fun fun fun

this looks great, but i think i'll have to wait until i finish off lost planet 2 and smg 2

shameful - I forgot about Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Sin & Punishment 2

http://boards.ign.com/red_dead_redemption/b6186/187697867/p1

** Each NPC follows their own routine and way of a life. For example,
one spend all day working in a blacksmith, then at closing time head
off to the saloon for a couple drinks before going home.
*** NPCs will converse with each other
**** You can converse with NPCs yourself
** NPCs can hold grudges. A man you beat up in the saloon may come back later with a gun.
** NPC houses can be broken into and robbed
*** NPCs store possessions in boxes and trunks in their houses.
** NPC towns can be wiped out and made into ghost towns
*** Ghost towns will revive in 2-3 in-game days
** In the wilderness rarely a minute passes without seeing some indication of an NPC
*** NPCs play an important part of free roaming, through random encounters
**** NPCs can be found doing a large assortment of things, from
ambushes to gunfights to hostage scenarios to simple things like
sitting around a campfire telling stories of Marston's earlier exploits
* Bank Robbing
** Initiated by having a gun drawn in a bank
* Dueling
** Can't duel everybody (like old women), but you can duel other gunslingers

** The World is, in total, roughly twice the size of San Andreas
*** The World is split into three large regions, each larger than GTA IV's Liberty City

maybe i shouldn't get this game, just the thought is overwhelming

** The World is, in total, roughly twice the size of San Andreas
*** The World is split into three large regions, each larger than GTA IV's Liberty City

holy what

this is one game i'm really looking forward to, god i hope it lives up to those vid clips. not really bothered about multi play but if there's an ilg posse i'm in. what should i get it for 360 or ps3?

uh want it now

wow crack that whip bossman. maybe because they were already worked to the bone under an unrealistic deadline???

guessing they prob did have it ready they just wanted to make sure the base version was running good before pushing it

so selfish!!

This is the bare-bones 2013 port we're talking about, which was all but surprise-dropped for Switch and PS4, priced at a shocking premium. If it was that close to being ready they should have just waited a month, it's not like it was part of some coordinated million dollar multi-month marketing campaign.

guessing they prob did have it ready they just wanted to make sure the base version was running good before pushing it

― lag∞n, Wednesday, October 4, 2023 9:32 AM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That makes sense, I guess. Anyway, upgraded performance is certainly a greater incentive to get the game than it was before, though it's still way overpriced.

releases would go smoother if that was the general approach, turning on advanced tech on incrementally and then optimizing between steps, but they dont do that because it would be bad from a marketing perspective if they had to be all just wait a few months and the game will be better, of course they do often have to do that anyway when they ship broken shit

I honestly have no idea how much work it takes or doesn't take to unlock/increase the frame rate of a 13-year old game. Granted, this port wasn't even released for the PS5, just for the PS4 and Switch, so I guess a modest and slightly belated PS5-only upgrade by way of the PS4 version is an OK perk.

i think compared to most video game dev things is not that much work but running that stuff on your console is very resource intensive so theyd want to make sure they have it dialed

Saw someone say (think it was digital foudnry) the ps4 port seemed to be an afterthought for a switch original release based on performance. Makes sense of the timeline (and the fact that the ps4 was literally exactly the same as the switch at launch despite its ability to do higher resolution/other things with minimal technical work).

xp Tracer, I can see why you and gyac are friends

🥳😎

I don’t know anything about this game but my history professor friend wrote a book about it https://read.macmillan.com/lp/red-deads-history/

I'm finally getting around to playing the first game. I don't know how I would think about it if I had played the first game first and the second game second rather than the other way around, but it seems to be okay. Basically a jankier version of the sequel? Which is to be expected. The landscapes and the like do look pretty good for such an old game.

Is this on ps3? PS4?

PS4, playing on PS5.

Boy does this game really fall short of the sequel (so far). Not just the graphics and gameplay, which is to be expected and are totally excused, but the writing and voice acting and story, which so far is kinda dullsville boilerplate. No idea what to do with my money, no incentive to gather plants or pelts, at least not so far. Unlike RDR2, I'm mostly looking forward to it being done so I can play the Undead Nightmare DLC, which people love.

I doubt you'll love Undead Nightmare if you're that bored by the base game. It's a fun spin on the base content but it's still the same game.

I think it's more the story and writing than the gameplay that's making it drag for me. I can only assume that cowboys versus zombies is less story intensive.

Rdr2 is a massive achievement. Very few can stand up to it in comparison

I kind of assumed that much going into this, but I could have sworn I've seen discussions online about which game is better. Like, this first one is perfectly fine, but I don't see how anybody can suggest there is any real competition.

Guess most people would have played that first though and at the time it was a fantastic game.

But yeah RDR2 totally eclipses it

So - I can skip the first one, then? I was happy watching Andor without seeing Rogue One.

aw but it has a pretty nifty ending

ya rouge one is good

I had more fun with RDR1 than 2 overall, not sure if I could go back though

Saw a tweet from a Telegraph football journalist describing 2 as "Be Here Now the Video Game" and could never quite look at it the same

OK, just finished the RDR1 base game, and while it is totally competent, doubly so for being so old, yeah, there is not a single aspect that is not improved by the sequel/prequel, imo. That means graphics, music, writing, voice acting, plot, side quests, mechanics, everything. More surprising to me was how RDR2 echoed this game's epilogue, except handled it better than the first game, too. Here, when I got to the epilogue I found it almost perverse how it forced me to do all the boring stuff I'd avoided for most of the game: herding, breaking horses, hunting, following the dog around. And all for a payoff nowhere near as affecting as (iirc) even the death of my horse in RDR2. But hey, it's all good, generally what I expected, which is to say, fine. Looking forward to the zombie DLC.

You are doing the good work. Nice job

I never did finish rdr 2. Though I got close. Then my kid started playing it and over wrote my save. Shrug emoji