Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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yeah, pretty similar to the #notallmen thing, totally missing the point

Nhex, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 20:56 (eleven years ago)

if sarkeesian ends up achieving something I will feel bummed at being proven wrong /:

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 10:05 (eleven years ago)

good attitude

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 13:01 (eleven years ago)

johnny fiveaces ‏@brumbpo Aug 24

@Nicendeth @MichaelToole @Babylonian why do these turdmen always look like a Kane of Nod cosplay convention

irl lulz

Daphnis Celesta, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 17:34 (eleven years ago)

http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-things-need-know-gamergate-scandal.php

lol wtf, every single one of these is like 180deg wrong

goole, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:10 (eleven years ago)

cant remember if gmart still reads here but v good article my man <3

Neckbread (Will M.), Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:10 (eleven years ago)

uh that was an xpost referring to his p4ste piece

Neckbread (Will M.), Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:10 (eleven years ago)

"Even the extremely controversial feminist, Christina Hoff Sommers posted a tweet in favour of #GamerGate"

Such diversity. Even quislings are in favour.

jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:33 (eleven years ago)

yeah, do not click on that whatculture article, it's super infuriating and awful, and it's broken u into a million ages so to read all of their bullshit you just give them even more clicks, fuck everybody

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:37 (eleven years ago)

yeah.. when i got to #9 which was "everyone gets death threats, PSHAW" my eyes couldn't roll hard enough

Nhex, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:48 (eleven years ago)

it's broken u into a million ages

This is very true.

jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:49 (eleven years ago)

hahaha

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwnH1q8IIAA_1Dk.png:large

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:52 (eleven years ago)

good use of iso-cubes imo

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:57 (eleven years ago)

took me FAR too long to realize that was a parody

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:00 (eleven years ago)

how did you not realize the moment you got to "zoe quinn be arrested & tried to the full extent of the law for her duplicitous promiscuity and/or for really upsetting that developer guy"

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:08 (eleven years ago)

seemed in character tbqh

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:09 (eleven years ago)

"close down penny arcade as it is feminist" was the tell

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:09 (eleven years ago)

i'm sympathetic to poe's law but c'mon

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:09 (eleven years ago)

have those fucks weighed in on this at all? They seem to be forever discussing minutia of the most minor online gamer dustups in vicious form; i don't know whether not commenting or commenting stupidly would be more in character for them.
going in

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:10 (eleven years ago)

she should be arrested and tried for duplicitous promiscuity??? "all games journalists to not be friends with other games journalists"?? the whole thing is obv absurd.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:10 (eleven years ago)

that's a parody yeah, but a quite subtle one.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:13 (eleven years ago)

have those fucks weighed in on this at all? They seem to be forever discussing minutia of the most minor online gamer dustups in vicious form; i don't know whether not commenting or commenting stupidly would be more in character for them.
going in

Them weighing in would accomplish nothing but drawing attention to themselves so I guess it's surprising they haven't shat a big mansplainy turd into this mess

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:16 (eleven years ago)

http://social-justice-bullshit.tumblr.com/
http://irlsocialjustice.tumblr.com/
these are pretty funny too

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:19 (eleven years ago)

or maybe serious. i don't know.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:19 (eleven years ago)

oh and penny arcade is doing PAX (which they're part of? Not part of? depends on if they said anything stupid lately) so i think they're low profiling it but the dog whistle inherent in
"PAX is a nice reminder of just how incredible games and gamers really are. I always come away from the show inspired by this community. "
is pretty clear

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:21 (eleven years ago)

yeah, do not click on that whatculture article, it's super infuriating and awful, and it's broken u into a million ages so to read all of their bullshit you just give them even more clicks, fuck everybody

too late for me but aaargh yes

1. gamers are not a monolithic entity, it is dumb to say gamers are bad
2. people who disagree with me are clearly not gamers and are therefore not entitled to an opinion. i can tell this because because gamers are a monolithic entity and all think the same
3. in fact YOU are the real bigot for thinking that some games could deal with LGBT/women's/race issues/anything other than explosions and be appraised on different merits, did you ever think of that huh
4. x (which is y, and that is not made up it is a FACT) is in fact (did I mention FACT) y, namely here is a list of ways it is y, and in conclusion x is y

(OK pots'n'kettles here as I am ILX's most circularly tl;dr but holy shit tautologies)

the ghosts of dead pom-bears (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:36 (eleven years ago)

i dont know why i noticed this first but "burpturds" is not a spelling error even though it does point out the username as a spelling mistake

Neckbread (Will M.), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:44 (eleven years ago)

there is a publisher called gamersgate, i bet they are not having a good time atm

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:51 (eleven years ago)

"gamers" are not bad for the reasons you list but "gamer culture" is real and is historically pretty terrible in many ways

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:53 (eleven years ago)

and i say that as a "gamer"

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:53 (eleven years ago)

I went to QuakeCon twice in the very early 2000s

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:55 (eleven years ago)

#notalllamerz

Daphnis Celesta, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:16 (eleven years ago)

the problem w/ letting "gaming culture" mean white male asshole gamers that do misogynistic things is that it actually simplifies an always diverse gaming community and disenfranchises them from how they've historically seen themselves. all these articles keep positing this diverse gamership as being something new that is replacing "old gaming culture," but that's not true. gamers have always been a diverse crowd and only when focusing on a very particular niche of the gaming market (tho, in AAA FPS games the most profitable) does it make sense to talk about "gaming culture" imo. like, the first gamer i ever knew was my mom playing zelda on her NES and return to zork on her computer. i've played w/ card gamers and wargamers and board gamers and indie gamers and sim gamers and IF gamers and classic RPG gamers and tabletop gamers and they're all such diverse + robust communities. idk. this is nitpicking bc i assume when we talk here about "gamers" and "gaming culture" we all know who we're talking about (4channers), but this has been bothering me so i wanted to toss in my 2 cents.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:24 (eleven years ago)

one of the many issues here is that a very vocal minority (the one you call 4channers) is claiming that 'gamers' title as theirs and only theirs.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:27 (eleven years ago)

for sure, but they're wrong and we know they're wrong

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:28 (eleven years ago)

there is a weird complex here where a lot of the douchebags went to war over who could and who couldn't be a "gamer" slightly before it turned into "SJWs are the enemy"

take on board what your saying but that storm will pass i'm sure

Daphnis Celesta, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:31 (eleven years ago)

Pretty sure Davis Aurini will become a MP in rural Alberta in the coming 15 years.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:39 (eleven years ago)

I wish I hadn't posted that video of his upthread. I posted his whole playlist by accident, which embeds whichever video is newest, and I can only imagine what vile shit might appear on there. Do any of you have mod powers by any chance?

jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:51 (eleven years ago)

"TINY INDIE DEVELOPERS" was what gave it away for me, but I read the bolded part first and now I just want "G-DAY" to happen.

jmm, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:02 (eleven years ago)

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/Authors/david_auerbach-authorbio.png
just another face in the diverse crowd

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:20 (eleven years ago)

by which i mean to say that while a middle aged white guys opinion (mine included) isn't invalid, i would be interested in reading a few pieces from the pen of that diverse crowd of non middle aged white guy gamers who look at this situation any other way than "yeah, 'gamer culture' is a cesspool"

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:25 (eleven years ago)

by which i mean to say GAMERS ARE NOT THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IN THIS FUCKSTORM

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:27 (eleven years ago)

That article somehow manages to 'cover' the recent brouhaha without actually discussing gender, sexism, misogyny, death threats, Sarkeesian or Quinn. Kinda, uh, weird.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:30 (eleven years ago)

Also manages to attribute quotes to "Gamasutra’s Keza MacDonald", but if you follow the link it's a blog post which clearly states "The following blog post, unless otherwise noted, was written by a member of Gamasutra’s community. The thoughts and opinions expressed are those of the writer and not Gamasutra or its parent company." Which is a tiny detail, but if you're writing a lolgamejournalism article at least try and get the basics right.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:44 (eleven years ago)

by which i mean to say GAMERS ARE NOT THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IN THIS FUCKSTORM

i disagree. gamers are the aggrieved party. anita sarkeesian is a gamer. zoe quinn is a gamer.

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:50 (eleven years ago)

and like, yes, i'm being pedantic but if you're going to ignore my point forks

Mordy, Thursday, 4 September 2014 23:50 (eleven years ago)

#notallMordys

EZ Snappin, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:34 (eleven years ago)

mordy... are you... deliberately ignoring that the mainstream majority video gaming world out there - from retailers to developers to advertising to websites and so on and so on and so on are 100% aimed at the specific gamer demographic we're talking about here

Nhex, Friday, 5 September 2014 01:57 (eleven years ago)

i'm not ignoring it at all. i'm questioning whether some of these memetic terms, 'death of gamers,' or just 'gamers' in general as referring to the most banal audience for the AAA video game industry, are descriptive or even useful.

Mordy, Friday, 5 September 2014 02:27 (eleven years ago)


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