Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

Borderlands has a way of simultaneously mocking & pandering to its audience that's very South Park

Ha OTM

I don't think I listened to that guy's full set of dialogue

I do know he does not like it if you shoot him somewhere other than the face

http://gawker.com/how-gamergate-radicals-seized-sci-fis-most-prestigious-1696731611

Eh, Gawker have of course plenty of reason to hate Gamergate, but it's kind of ass-backward to claim that it's the driver here - it caught on partly because it fit into a narrative of "They're coming for our.." that had already been happening in other arenas, including sci-fi (Sad Puppies was doing this last year as well) and comics.

just posting it because i didn't know about any of the sf dramaz at all

Andrew did you read the article?

Yeah - it looks like someone wrote a pretty good article about it, and someone said "now make it 25% more about GamerGate", and slapped the headline on it.

Well gg was supporting it and teaming up
It's the same cultural movement in 2 areas that have always shared strong ties
Also headlines are meant to get people to read articles, I don't really think it's misleading since gg started championing sad puppies

insert ethics in journalism joke

I'd settle for journalism in journalism.

Cap'n Save-a-Gate

Save-a-Gate, Ride-a-Fanboy

Fuck you, nv - friends of mine are affected by this shit, friends of theirs are some of the principals. Lazy journalism remains lazy journalism.

it was zung more in laziness than anger but sometimes you seem to be looking for "balance" where i don't see much

sure GG weren't the original angry white nerds but that hashtag has become a focal point/energizer for most of this "dissent" and the Gawker piece sets out the connections/timeline fairly imo

Where, exactly, am I looking for "balance" again? I'm just pointing out what the article itself points out (and then ignores) - that this is a pre-existing campaign that was already doing this quite successfully before Gamergate - describing it as 'falling to Gamergate' is just lazy.

Is your point that these guys would have been successful at hijacking the Hugos even if GamerGate hadn't happened? Because I don't believe that; I think all of these existing groups are using GamerGate as a rallying point and hitching their wagons to it and that this was an arena where the pool was small enough for it to have an impact.

I don't know about that, they got a lot of names on the ballot last year, and the awards were still visibly diverse, I think they were always going to come back strong, and indeed call in help.

As soon as Gamergate started, there was a lot of "Oh shit yeah, this has been happening in science fiction / comics / atheism as well, the SJW have been infiltrating". And I'm sure that when Milo Manara's Spiderwoman cover blew up, which I think was the last thing before that, there was a lot of "Oh shit yeah, this has been happening in science fiction / gaming / atheism as well".

I am not of course saying that no-one who identifies with Gamergate has been pitching in to this. It's just that Gawker's "and the name of the beast is Gamergate" is silly and self-serving.

I could be wrong, but I feel like the spillover of online tactics into real life is something GG sort of took to a new level. Like now if you want to derail or ruin something (or, worse, someone's life) there are not only established procedures but also a standing pool of people ready to help at the drop of a hashtag. Maybe something like this would have happened, but not as... thoroughly?

yeah this is what i'm saying, of course it's not the only game in town but it has a level of mass that will bring other hateful internet fucks into its orbit at some point

Anecdotally it's seems to be the crest of a wave - Anita Sarkeesian has been getting this shit for years. But yeah definitely the weaponisation of it, the way that targets are painted on people and their life turns into a nightmare, is as you say something GG took to a new level.

Though, er, if that is the mark of the beast it seems (from what I've seen) to be absent in this case?

Well, I mean more in terms of being able to go post a couple of tweets or forum things like "hey guys SJW are over here too!" and suddenly get an army (legion? platoon? not sure of the numbers involved in the sci-fi case) ready to pay $40 to vote a slate of books they haven't read. I mean this obviously crosses over with much older geek impulses - geeks love boycotts and pro-cotts, feels like you're Doing Something for Free Speech without doing anything really.

Oh lord yeah, that's been going on for decades.

I searched Google Groups for old Chrono Trigger threads and there is stuff from the 90s. Didn't find any mentions of SJW. Wonder what the source for that term is, feels like the new version of "PC police".

Are you being purposefully obtuse or did you not get that what was implied would be find was a regressive attitude toward gender and race relations, not a direct addressing of politics?

I'm not really sure how to address your question, maybe you should try framing it in a way that doesn't sound like an insult.

Anyways the first post I found in my search was a history of alt.games.final-fantasy, which was written by a woman, and doesn't include anything indicative of a regressive atmosphere. I looked at a lot of threads: some were people asking to buy the game, some were people complaining about it being overrated (in 1998!), some people had humorous lists of "10 Signs You Play Too Much Chrono Trigger", I looked around for a good couple of hours, and didn't really find much at all, even off-handed comments. Then again there were far less people on the internet back then, and the barrier to entry was far greater, so it was probably worth your time to use it for constructive purposes or genuine conversations.

Then again there were far less people on the internet back then, and the barrier to entry was far greater, so it was probably worth your time to use it for constructive purposes or genuine conversations.

― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, April 12, 2015 7:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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I can assure you many of us were having completely useless conversations on the internet, even usenet, in 1998.

I assumed you were trying to subtly jibe by acting like you'd find "sjw" on usenet in the 90s

I was kind of harsh, sorry, man. I feel like I'm reading past your posts sometimes because I know there's some sort of humor I don't get or something I'm missing I should probably wait to respond to until I pick up on.

Hah np.

I was on BBSes back in the day, but I don't have any recollection at all of the culture of it. Once the internet dropped w AOL et al I stayed away from chatrooms and only did AIM and IRC with friends and people I knew.

are you all following @MomsAgainstGam ? some of the funniest shit ever

https://twitter.com/StevenJCBuckley/status/590512241520160768

https://twitter.com/GamersForGaming/status/589627287349305345

tho the funniest convo i've come across from this universe lately has been this:

https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/590556383843586049

It's truly the best test of finding the completely tone-deaf gamers

Have these gamers heard of app.net or w/e? Is that still a running concern, the for-pay twitter alternative that is all software developers and pretentious web developers who wanted their own network? Maybe they can all migrate to that.

oh christ louise mensch weighing in on the comments on @chriss_m's hot take

i know!

Jules ‏@AnaLoGMunKy 19h19 hours ago

@Chriss_m Cant see myself being on twitter much longer. Without dissent, debate is impossible.

without death threats and doxxing, debate is impossible

Corey Vaughn ‏@Rekonocide 18h18 hours ago

@Chriss_m If this worked perfectly then maybe it would be fine, but we don't have AI with the ability to decide if something is hate it not.

guys can we teach computers to love?

Doing a PhD on US politics, journalism, YouTube and emotions. Media critic. I also teach and write a bit.

makes your blood run cold doesn't it

I heard a segment on the BBC World Service yesterday that was an American reporter doing this naive interview thing in an economically-depressed UK town. I think coming to the politics of another nation from a state of ignorance is a cool take B)

I mean, at least as far as entertainment goes, until it becomes some Canadians telling you how Ron Paul seems pretty reasonable. That was a really bad conversation I took part in.

Fedora ze WEEDsmoker

Have these gamers heard of app.net or w/e? Is that still a running concern, the for-pay twitter alternative that is all software developers and pretentious web developers who wanted their own network? Maybe they can all migrate to that.

― mh, Wednesday, April 22, 2015 7:11 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Revenue couldn't sustain their paid developers, still working I suppose but last blog post was a year ago when they basically announced their plan failed.

I'd never have guessed

lol at "mom will take your games"

boston magazine published this. it's good!

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/04/28/gamergate/

they are not happy

https://www.change.org/p/boston-magazine-correct-zachary-jason-s-gamergate-article-game-of-fear

we, #gamergate, hereby petition you, matthew reed baker, to correct factual inaccuracies in zachary jason's #gamergate article "game of fear", the details of which we decline to specify

just ask milo, he can set you right or whatever