Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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man i don't have the slightest idea what to make of that. is she making a living with twitch?

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 October 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link

most of those girls are making bank off the high minimum donations and a deliberate part of the appeal is being able to send (mostly) unfiltered troll messages that will be read on stream. you can probably find some of helena lux's streams archived for a particularly good e.g. of the phenomenon. there's a subset of twitch where some camgirls moved over to twitch because its more lucrative and less terrible than doing cams & so their chats are particularly... problematic. i mean the idea that there are so many people willing to pay $5 to spam the donation script with nonsense or boring insults or w/e is symptomatic of the sickness at the heart of the western male pysche but its basically a weird s&m stream. more misogynistic are all the manbabies that complain incessantly about 'female streamers' and 'attention whores' and are always trying to get these girls banned from twitch.

dead (Lamp), Thursday, 29 October 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link

well thanks for the background, what a fascinating world we live in.

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link

lean back in your ergonomic chair, gaze pensively out of your office window looking out at the anonymous urban skyline. tweet 'all labor is exploitative under capitalism'. shut the lid on your laptop. close your eyes. dream.

dead (Lamp), Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link

man i would love an ergonomic chair and a window

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 29 October 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link

that explanation clarifies the cleavage, the stream of ideology from the cammer and the nonstop scroll of invective
i may need more help with this but i imagine that's best left to clergy

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link

twitch chat makes me want to kill myself

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 30 October 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

also an important read:

http://www.sxsw.com/news/2015/sxsw-announces-march-12-online-harassment-summit

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link

good to see raking an organization over the coals actually having what appears to be a net-positive outcome

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 30 October 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link

It sounds like the Level Up people weren't told that the Save Point people were going to be there.

https://twitter.com/carolinesinders/status/660159799783522305

jmm, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link

i'm not so sure about that.

The summit will include Randi Harper, Katherine Cross and Caroline Sinders from “Level Up: Overcoming Harassment in Games,” as well as Perry Jones, Mercedes Carrera, and Lynn Walsh from “SavePoint: A Discussion on the Gaming Community.” We are working with both groups to develop the most productive focus for their appearances.

what i'm seeing is that the first three speakers were not told that their (cancelled) event was being reinstated in a combined format with the latter three, who, let's be frank, hate them.

xp

goole, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link

so the timeline is (as far as i understand it)

anti-harassment people propose panel about design, their proposal is mobbed on line, but succeeds
gg people holler at sxsw to give them a panel too, which it does (i think w/o the same proposal process!)
after a shitload of hate mail (from everyone, afaict) sxsw cancels *both* panels
media aghast, vox and buzzfeed threaten boycott at cancellations
sxsw cooks up replacement panel -- throwing 'both sides' into the same room for a whole day

goole, Friday, 30 October 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link

perry jones is one of these idiots: http://www.theopengamingsociety.org/staff/

mercedes carrera is a porn performer; i don't know anything about her other than that she's made herself a gamergate figure of some kind

lynn walsh is an nbc reporter from san diego and i think the next president of the SPJ

goole, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link

tbh I didn't know which panel was which

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:06 (nine years ago) link

I’m the Founder of and Editor for the Open Gaming Society. I’ve played games since the age of 6 and hope to someday make a career of making them. I love this industry with all my heart and want to see it move on to a better place. You can almost always find me buried in some game whether it be The Witcher, GTA, League of Legends, or The Elder Scrolls – I’m always playing something.

sounds like a guy with important things to say about stuff

systems drinking (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link

gg people holler at sxsw to give them a panel too, which it does (i think w/o the same proposal process!)

gotta hear both sides

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 30 October 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link

http://www.theopengamingsociety.org/5-tenets/

(second) comment hall of fame

goole, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/Av3HvtB.png

mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link

i'm out seeing the avengers, the new james bond, transformers, batman - I'm always seeing films.

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Friday, 30 October 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link

It's amazing how often I see this pattern: see weird outlier asshole comment on game/SF content (not even related to harassment, feminism whatever) from someone with a Twitter handle that would have seemed edgy in 1992. Dig into their tweets - GG. The aggrieved minority thing they're doing is some paranoid style in American politics shit.

0 / 0 (lukas), Saturday, 31 October 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link

It's probably not that hard to write GG parody articles but I'll still give this one credit
http://www.starwipe.com/article/cara-delevingne-kicks-ass-call-duty-trailer-its-ab-1073

Nhex, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Amy Pascal’s Pascal Pictures has won a bidding battle for Crash Override: How To Save The Internet From Itself, a memoir by game designer Zoe Quinn that sold to Touchstone/Simon & Schuster and will be published September, 2016. The property was bid on by several studios and TV outlets, and several actresses are circling, with interest from Scarlett Johansson said to be keenest.

The movie deal was based on a proposal titled Control Alt Delete, and tells the story of how Quinn, creator of the hip interactive game Depression Quest, was targeted by a digital mob bent on upending her life when a blog post by her ex-boyfriend went viral. It sparked the widely-discussed Gamergate controversy and took a surprising turn when instead of running, she decided to fight back. It is a very inside look at gaming and nerd culture and what happens when one gets caught in the gears of that machine.

http://deadline.com/2015/11/zoe-quinn-crash-override-gamergate-memoir-amy-pascal-1201611420/

Kind of insane they will make a movie about this. It seems like every public event even slightly related to the topic gets death threats. Not sure GG would tone down the violent rhetoric in the event of a mainstream film release.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link

have to agree, but mostly because... if two Steve Jobs movies can't sell tickets, why would this

Nhex, Sunday, 8 November 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link

it won't

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 November 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link

i mean maybe it will be super brilliant but what are the chances

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 November 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link

Actually it's about ethics in computer movies

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, 9 November 2015 04:15 (nine years ago) link

Suspenseful stuff happening involving people sitting at computer screens does not have a strong history of cinematic success

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 9 November 2015 04:24 (nine years ago) link

WarGames did well at the North American box office, earning $79,567,667, the fifth-highest of 1983.

^maybe the only exception to that rule? trying to think of others. Social Network, I guess but not really?

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 November 2015 05:11 (nine years ago) link

As of July 28, 2015, Unfriended has grossed $32,482,090 domestically and $26,554,845 in other countries, for a worldwide gross of $59,036,935 against a budget of $1 million.

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 9 November 2015 05:22 (nine years ago) link

"Suspenseful stuff happening involving people sitting at computer screens"
Isn't this every Star Trek thing ever tho

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 9 November 2015 11:42 (nine years ago) link

i can see it working well as a paranoia thriller - you've got a protagonist who no longer feels safe in their own home but, when they go out, every stranger on the street could be a gamergate maniac with ill intentions.

the illicit unit slid tantalizingly across the waxed tile (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 November 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link

you shall know them by their cheeto fingers

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Monday, 9 November 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link

New heights of ethics:

http://gawker.com/trolls-photoshop-canadian-sikh-man-to-frame-him-as-suic-1742836900

I am using your worlds, Monday, 16 November 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link

On Thursday, the organization revealed its nominees for this year's awards, which will be streamed online on a variety of platforms Dec. 3. Along with nominations for titles like "Fallout 4" and "Super Mario Maker" came a bit of detail about the panel of judges who helped select them: A roster of the 32 people on the jury appears to list only one woman.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/game-awards-gender-imbalence_5649e3b5e4b045bf3defd681

Chvrches is scheduled to play it btw.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link

i think it may actually be 2 women so yeah typically liberal media LYING to us /s

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link

a lot of that sector of the internet really hate chvrches too

goole, Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:20 (nine years ago) link

I didn't realize Chrvches was popular enough to be hated, kudos to them

Nhex, Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link

#ethicsingamingjournalism question

http://kotaku.com/a-price-of-games-journalism-1743526293

I dont know what to think about this Kotaku article bitching about losing access from Bioware and Ubisoft? I feel like they should explain more about how they made their money being third party PR departments for these companies for years before they lost their sweet sweet access to news and info.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link

lol they're being blacklisted for leaking the existence of a video game and some early screenshots. oh and the exciting news that 2 assassin's creed games are coming out in the fall. obv they're still the PR department for these companies, they're just doing it without publisher oversight and the publishers are mad.

Mordy, Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link

yeah they basically posted things in a chronology not blessed by their corporate paymasters. boo fucking hoo.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 19 November 2015 23:55 (nine years ago) link

m@tt? would love an insider perspective here.

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link

M@tt is no longer an insider

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 20 November 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link

true enough. ex-insider then, like when the retired referees discuss calls on the field.

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Friday, 20 November 2015 02:40 (eight years ago) link

don't know if the game has changed this much in the past year after he turned over his secret insider pass

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 20 November 2015 04:33 (eight years ago) link

Totilo has generally seemed pretty straight-up to me, leaning to his side on this one. Surprising that Kotaku even does the the kind of non-flattering industry stories mentioned, we usually have to wait until a company dies before we hear these things

Nhex, Friday, 20 November 2015 04:46 (eight years ago) link

video game companies don't owe kotaku a thing

bricc baby hitlo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 20 November 2015 04:59 (eight years ago) link

its the TMZ of video games

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 20 November 2015 05:25 (eight years ago) link


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