Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

Seconded

ugh

killing some time here and I searched for what that's about and was kind of pleasantly surprised by how many people were actually saying "hey, women don't have to post 'proof' he was a creep to women, if women say that and are corroborating each others stories, then believe women"

I mean, post you-know-what, there's still a contingent of idiots who are going to rip apart any screenshots of interactions, say whatever was said wasn't that bad or is fake, and attack anyone posting about it. So wanting people to step forward with screenshots or w/e is basically asking people to make themselves targets. And it looks like people are starting to understand that

folks the gamers are at it again pic.twitter.com/Ft1t13Iw4L

— baҳ 📚 (@bax_books) September 7, 2017

tbf gamers never really stopped this bullshit but hard lol that it's south park of all things that's triggered them this time

Were the previous 36 DangerGamers such irredeemable choads?

it's a fair bet

I'm sure there'll be some good-natured antisemitism in the game to make up for it

https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/10/pewdiepie-is-back-making-more-racist-comments/?ncid=rss

The genre depicts a tension between the apparently still and bland social surface in Scandinavia and the murder, misogyny, rape, and racism it depicts as lying underneath.

seriously, how fuckin' hard is it to not say racist things?

i imagine it's a good deal more difficult if you're, y'know, a massive racist

seems about right

http://i.imgur.com/n4kODRx.png

oh ok, never mind then

The world's highest-paid YouTube star, PewDiePie, has used the "n-word" during an online broadcast.

The 27-year-old Swede - real name Felix Kjellberg - could be heard using the racial slur while he was playing a video game during a live streaming.

After using the term he appeared to recognise his error, saying: "I don't mean that in a bad way."

The threads on reddit are enlightening/horrifying. My favourite apologetic is 'you could say the same thing about f(gayslur) and no one complains about that'.

That's great actually (XPs to BG's pic)

The immense fame of these vlogger never ceases to amaze me.

I have never seen or heard anything this dude's done until I watched some "adults react to PewDiePie" compilation and... yeah, this guy is horrible.

I mean, the main appeal seems to be "this guy sounds like a really dumb south park character" combined with "wow I'm a teen and he's saying all this shit my mom told me is bad, how edgy"

like if you think swearing and making screaming noises or running around in a game saying how "I rape this! I rape that!" is entertaining, I'm sure he's the fuckin' nobel prize winner of game streamers

lmao "but I wish it did"

I'm sure he's the fuckin' nobel prize winner of game streamers

more like the lottery winner of game streamers rly in that he's a millionaire despite having (afaict) very little going on to differentiate him from innumerable other screaming youtube tools

if there's anything we can learn from twitch it's that being a public asshole is the easiest way to reach the gaming demographic

pretty much all the top gaming streams are either the few most skilled players at whichever game, or loud rude dudes

this guy sounds like a really dumb south park character

Well...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehash_(South_Park)

you know, there were moments in there I was ok with at the time, but I'm pretty good with deleting the entire run of south park from history

kinda hard not to see south park as playing some role in the 4channing of culture, yeah

there's been plenty of thinkpieces tying shitty gamer attitudes to kids growing up watching South Park. it's fairly otm I think

10 year-olds just don't understand that Cartman's supposed to be the bad guy

more of a problem that 30 year-olds just don't understand that Cartman's supposed to be the bad guy, i think

reminds me of a conversation I had with my mom not long ago

"I didn't even let you kids watch South Park!"
"Mom, South Park didn't come out until I was in my last year of high school. You didn't let us watch The Simpsons for the first few years it was on"
"Did I let you watch South Park?"
"It was on Comedy Central and you didn't have cable television until I moved out, so I guess not"

oh, all of it, tho I don't really buy in to moral panics about any particular cultural form's negative impact on the youths

I think there are other social and parenting processes that shd prepare your children to recognize a bigoted sociopath when they see one

I don't think there are strong reasons to stop kids from watching a lot of things, but this whole "ehh just let kids watch whatever and don't put it in context" thing has to be something

but yeah, 30 year olds don't get Cartman is bad either, so they're not going to impart great things to their children

NV otm, it's not what they watch, it's who they watch it with

I think one reason it might not be straightforward for everyone to grok that cartman is bad is because he almost never suffers any consequences on the show. On top of being hateful and entitled, he's also a murderer, a cheat, a liar and a thief and he's been getting away with all of it for decades.

he's steve bannon

That has actually blown my mind.

I was being partly ironic Tom, I don't think Parker & Stone see him as the "bad guy" so much as a handy conduit for jokes they'd otherwise struggle to get away with

they can't do real humor about politics, just dumb jokes and shlock

never forget the mind-numbing mediocrity of "that's my bush"

that show was hilarious, mostly because there was like no political humor whatsoever

all last season he was performatively woke, not sure if it was ironic or not, whether it had a point or not

that's my bush ruled but because it was more about parodying sitcoms than politics

hey we've found the two viewers

I dunno if I'd blame the behavior of the characters so much as the general attitude of maintaining ironic distance from everything because actually caring about things means you're intellectually compromised

^^^

yeah, the ongoing "all things are bad or worthy of mocking, maybe some a little more than other, but take nothing seriously" strays from the "we're equal opportunity mockers of things" after a certain point

like, great, you can mock anything and everything, good for you

it is up to the creators to decide what goes into a work. it will be interesting to see what they do w the new game. they need to make some points in favor of progressivism.

last game featured lots of actual Nazi speeches sampled for the bad guys. at one point you are hearing this stuff for hours while in rpg random battles. millions of kids hearing this stuff is not a good idea. kind of amazed they got away with that tbh. if that game came out post-Trump it would be a different story.

ironic distance leads to ironic racism leads to actual racism (which ironic racism is anyway)

even if they claim to mock everything equally, that sort of apathetic libertarian 'ideology' is always going to align more closely with the right than the left because the left pushes for more change and change requires caring and caring is uncool

I was typing out more words about it, but yes, ironic racism is completely indistinguishable from racism as a third party, even if you're "joking" with your friend and using slurs against them and they're a member of that group. If you do that all the time, you'll end up meeting someone new and immediately associating all the bullshit you think is fun to scream at your friends with them.

the massive success of cards against humanity is another bit of proof that many people are perfectly comfortable being openly racist as long as they can't be held accountable