DUDE I'M BUYING A DELL!

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And I might want to game a bit on it. What should I do? (Note: "Don't buy a Dell" is a legit response.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck Dells. Head to a place which will build a system for you. You'll save a shitload.

someplace like this: http://www.magicmicro.com/

which is where I got mine.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

whatever system you buy from dell, don't add anything during the customization part. almost all upgrades are hugely overpriced.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

This is a stressful time! Remember, it's awful and nerve-wracking for everyone, but you will love whatever you buy for at least a year automatically as long as you avoid PC mags...

(Basic stuff you probably know: order of priority for outsplashage is graphics card > memory > processor, SLI is only really useful at 1600x1200 right now but that may or may not change, if you're buying a dell it's for the support package rather than the value)

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Do not be conned into buying an Alienware rig. Sure they're VERY good, but they are also VERY OVERPRICED.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

but... but.. SO PRETTY
Actually, I'm having my tech guy at work spec out, buy and help assemble a rig for me. He claims that I should be all right for the next several years with an 800 buck investment for a system from scratch.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Thursday, 16 February 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

Do not be conned into buying an Alienware rig. Sure they're VERY good, but they are also VERY OVERPRICED.

OTM. Someone was asking me for computer advice and they wanted an alienware for $7k. I was like... uhh you can have 95% of that performance for like 30% of the price. He got the alienware, and picked the intel version too which was even more expensive and makes no sense in a gaming box.

inert false cat (sleep), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

(i used http://www.monarchcomputer.com/ to make my current machine, fwiw)

inert false cat (sleep), Thursday, 16 February 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Voodoos are totally prettier than alienwares!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

omg dellnoob! don't buy a Dell, indeed. my brother had one. jesus christ. OTM about alienware, sure, they're good, but i can spec you a decent rig for half the price of an alienware.

the bottom line is: BUILD YOUR OWN. and sure, you're maybe gonna say "i can't do it, i don't know how", well like, nobody knew how til they tried to do it. as long as you've got access to the interwebs from another system, you'll be able to overcome any problems you encounter on tech forums or whatever. i was scared as hell when i built my first PC, but it all turned out fine in the end. and now i'm obviously total pro because i built another at christmas and had absolutely zero trouble, not a single error. as long as you get a couple of people to look over the specs with you, make sure everything is compatible, building is actually pretty pish. ramble ramble ramble. you really should try, though. you'll save packets.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 February 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Building a computer is totally stupidly easy.

Dan (Not That I've Ever Done It) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

It's like building one of those little wooden models of dinosaurs you get from museum gift shops, only a little bit easier.

melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

My issue with building my own pc from barebones is that I don't have a shopping list to start from. I guess what you need are the case/psu, the mobo, the gfx card, the HD, the CD/DVD drive, RAM, and then what? I go to Newegg and browse around and then get convinced I'm forgetting something and give up.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Also, there are plenty of guides out there to help you out.

Tom's Hardware has a step-by-step bit. the article is a little older, but it's pretty much the same. Some of the extras mentioned in the article(sound, lan, etc) are now handled by most of the mobos out there.

Tho my experience has been to get a used sound card in place of using on-board sound, since it's much more stable. I went from the just using the AC97 on-board sound to a used Sound Blaster Live XGamer that I got from CL for $25, and the games stopped crashing so much.

or: http://www.hardwarecentral.com/hardwarecentral/tutorials/109/1/

Hell, even some of the chip-makers have guides on their own sites about how to do it.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

just go to the forums on some hardware site like overclockers.co.uk and post a topic called "spec me a new rig from scratch for £x" and all the lil noobs will come scrabbling to help you. seriously they (we) love it. my brother's going to come knocking in a few months time and ask me to do the same for him, and i'll piss my pants in anticipation.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

[golden xpost]

What TOM said. Also, I'm lazy & just want to hit ON and make w/ the Civ building & XP grinding ASAP. I co-built my current PC about 6 years ago (& added stuff here & there so I wouldn't be running backwards), and I'd kinda like to avoid that process, even though it probably is The Way to go.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

well, since you're into throwing money away, lend us a fiver?

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Part of it is the standard cost vs time/hassle trade-off. You can get all the components relatively cheap, but how much time do you wanna sink into it?

When I got my last PC, i ordered a barebones model online, had them stick a graphics card in it, then transfered the rest of it myself.

Plus, some places will check for stability and warranty the thing for a year or so.

XPost: yeah, there's that. I'd just recommend getting an full rig from some online place, not necessarily a Dell, which comes with all sortsa shit you may not want.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

well, since you're into throwing money away, lend us a fiver?

Hey! Change your pants when you sass me!

FWIW, I've been thinking Dell because they sent me a catalog, and I've been browsing their website, and I'm wondering what happened to Dell Dude after his pot bust. Also, my roommate (my go-to tech-guy) says DUDE DELL!, but I think that's because he doesn't want to be bothered w/ my bother, and he's busy WoWing. ("Dude, my DPS is SICK!") Kingfish's plan of attack sounds, um, sound, tho.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

("Dude, my DPS is SICK!")

har. if this ain't a t-shirt yet, it should be.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Getting a shopping list is easy:

1. Buy an issue of PC Gamer
2. Flip to their hardware section.

There's a page at the beginning of the section that lays out all of the components that go into an entry-level, mid-range and dream gaming PC.

Dan (Easy Peasy) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, give it up. he's made his decision. he wants to stay a noob forever.

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

apropos to nothing. when i was in school i fancied a girl called adell.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

(it was actually spelt adele)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah! build it yourself from scratch! i did mine for £400 several years ago and it's still decent enough now!!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Kit, if you're actually gonna pull OMG NOOB nonsense on me, it's go time.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Here, I stole this:

# Case Make sure you buy a case which will fit the space you intend to use it in. Allow room for expandability: spare drive bays, ample room to work inside. Make sure it has a power supply. Is the case clean?
# Motherboard It needs to fit in the case you choose and support all hardware you intend to use. Make sure it has ample documentation. For more info, see Motherboard Buying Tips.
# Processor Inspect the CPU for bent pins. Don't touch the pins.
# Memory Make sure your motherboard fully supports the memory that you buy. Take into consideration parity and memory type (SDRAM, EDO?). When handling the memory, avoid touching the contacts. Along with this, buy a cache module if your motherboard doesn't have the cache built on.
# Video Card For high-performance, buy a PCI video card. Consider your main uses: business programs, or 3D gaming. If you are doing any graphical work or games with this system, you should buy a mid to high end video card. It is better to get one from a major manufacturer in multimedia such as Diamond, but more generic cards, such as Trident, are usually good for multi-purpose use.
# Floppy Drive Really very straightforward. Make sure it looks good and the pins are all intact. Don't even consider a 5¼" floppy!
# Hard Drive Make sure it looks good. Always buy new hard drives. And make sure it has a manual.
# CD-ROM Make sure it has a driver installation disk. You will need to get this drive working quickly so that you can install the operating system.
# Keyboard & Mouse Rather self-explanatory. Make sure the keyboard connector fits into the plug on the motherboard, otherwise you may need an adapter. Make sure the mouse works. And choose the right kind for your system: serial or PS/2.
# Heat Sink/Fan Get a heat sink and fan rated for the processor you intend to use. If it is not already attached to the CPU, you will need to pick up heat sink compound. Heat sink compound isn't needed on all systems due to clips on many heat sinks that attach them to tabs on the CPU socket.
# Drive cables Make sure you have all cables for connecting the hard drive, floppy drive, and CD-ROM to the I/O on the motherboard or I/O card. These cables usually are supplied with the motherboard, but not always, and maybe not in the quantity you need.
# Audio Cable Usually supplied with the CD-ROM, it connects your CD-ROM to your sound card directly.
# Screws Make sure you have enough screws. Usually, an ample amount is supplied with your case. Make sure the screws are the right size. There are different sizes used for connecting card than for connecting drives, and if you try using a large screw on the drive, you'll crack the drive.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

diamond/trident? what year is that list from?

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

i'm merely being foolishly ironically humourous (or not). i was going to put in a smiley but i thought that was too weird. think nothing of it, really.

btw, what's go time?

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

is it like headshot time?

the kit! (g-kit), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

GO TIME

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

but yeah, the list is kinda accurate. I mean, as noted upthread, there's only like 10-12 things you need.

-case
-mobo that fits the case(mobo should have enough on-boards whatzits to handle network and sound needs).
-power supply(with enough leads & wattage to power all the shit you're gunna stick in there
-vid card(go for nvidia, my ati is annoying)
-1 gig of ram
-hard drive
-dvd/rom drive
-cd drive
-keyb
-mous
-cpu with cooling apparatus(heatsink + fan)
-case fans(2+)
-sound card?(maybe)


will you be transfering any hardware over from the old machine? (I always keep an older harddrive.) You keeping that monitor?

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, the monitor is toast! It's this huge CRT thing that needs to get gone. The only bit of hardware I can think of keeping is the WiFi card I got a year or so ago, & even that might be gonged. I might just keep that machine around as-is, though, as just another box on the network my roomy & I have going in our place.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

right. that might kick the price up another 20-25%.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

somebody spec me a mini-ITX job I can surf the web and run emulators on. decent onboard sound and .25TB of HD space a plus. Must support 1920x1200 resolution.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

probably going to be about $800 with the monitor

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Before everyone gets all excited about build-yer-own and snotty omg newb about Dells, remember this caveat: build yr own, especially when done buy sourcing components from all over the place online, is a BAD IDEA for one reason.

Warranty.

You will be far more screwed if your ebay-sourced motherboard dies than if you had a specced kit from a reliable retailer. Dell are Dell, but their higher end kit isnt that bad and they'll see you right if yr shit dies (mind you I'd only bother with Dell for laptops not desktops).

I got a desktop machine to my spec from a good local PC vendor, they built it for me (I cant be arsed), it meant it cost a couple hundred more but its warranteed, and being local the return to base is easy (no shipment hassles).

Buyer beware and all that.

Dudes.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 February 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

I built my machine myself, but the individual parts have warranties from their respective manufacturers. If they fuck up, the company replaces/fixes them. No comprehensive warranty needed, nor have I ever in my 15 years of fiddling around with computers.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

MOst places that will build you a rig will warranty it too

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 February 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

Poly: thats great that you've gotten that, but I had been reading in some recent PC mags that this can (not is, but can) be an issue is all :)

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think I might just get a fucking PC to play Worms Armageddon.

TOMBOT, Friday, 17 February 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

why not just get a slightly used laptop from CL to play with on the train?

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

i can't believe no one's mentioned the ars technica system guides yet. i combined suggested parts from the budget box and hot rod models when i built my PC a couple years ago, and used their forums for help when i ran into problems.

W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 18 February 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

goon-authored good advice: http://shsc.info/PCPartsPickingGuide

or

http://shsc.info/BudgetPCPartsGuide

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 February 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for all the advice & info, but I decided to take the easy way out. Meaning DUDE I BOUGHT A DELL! Hate mail can be sent c/o Pootie Tang.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

WUSSSSSSSSSS

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/kwik-e-simpsons/wallpapers/nelson-800x600.gif

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

My work got Dell pc's. They seem ok.

jeffrey (johnson), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

i have a dell laptop and it's awesome and building a laptop myself would be too much.

this laptop has 1920x1200 resolution!!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

laptops are different, even i wouldn't be that much in favor of rooting around too much inside of one

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 February 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile, should i ever actually financially stable this year, i'm gunna get me a new graphics card. a GeForce 7800 type, probably. Should satisfy the sparkly needs for another 3 years.

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 February 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)


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