FIFA 09

Demo is out now for PC / 360 / PS3. Decided to try out the PC version (now with keyboard and mouse controls!) and I think I like it. Pointing to where you want to pass makes a lot of sense (see wii pes 08) and seems to work great, but running around with wasd is a little more difficult to get used to (though I only played a game and a half so far). Will be playing more. May download one of the console versions next to see how they compare.

have played the ps3 demo a bunch of times. my observations:

• this is fucking terrible. yet again.
• the biggest problem is the movement of the players, which is unnatural, clumsy and very axis-bound. turning is sluggish and gives the feel of dragging oil tankers around the pitch.
• passing just seems off somehow. what happened when i went to pass was frequently not quite what i intended.
• the through ball mechanic is terrible.
• tackling is very weird, partly automated. couldn't get the hang of it at all.
• the shooting seemed okay to me.

PES better be really fucking good this year.

yeah I've tried this out too:

• are they playing in molasses? the movement is so syrupy and unresponsive, it's like some N64 level nonsense
• the shooting is definitely the best bit: it feels crunchy and heavy compared to PES' floaty and light
• the animation is as ever impeccable but there was some horrid slowdown during replays
• PES should reintroduce the speed option from PES1 and PES2 on PSX; think SF turbo on the SNES

in fact konami should do one of the following three:

• re-skin PSX PES1
• re-skin PSX PES2
• re-skin PS2 PES4*

played the demo last night, first Fifa I've played in a very long time (maybe 10 years), thought I might have to disinfect the 360, it stank up the place so much, a really really horrible game.

Extremely positive review at jeux video... 18 of 20 pretty much across the board... calling it the new reference of the genre on ps3/360... and really liking the become a pro and 10 v 10 mode (though I still can't see that really working out to good games, unfortunately)
http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0000/00009724-fifa-09-test.htm

the more I read about it, the more I'm impressed

have played a bunch more of the demo now:

- the heading is really good
- it still does feel very syrupy and unresponsive but I think that might be because I'm so used to relying on super-cancel in PES to stop them going on their rails; when I stopped trying to super-cancel I noticed they are less rail-sy
- the passing is much better if you switch it to full manual ie it goes in the direction, at the power, you choose

I'm still not sure

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/fifa-discussion/270383-official-players-guide-fifa09-ea-sports-updated-9-28-56k-warning.html

this game is great btw

it's meaty and physical and deep and FUN!!

I never thought I'd say anything positive abt fifa in my life

roberto said this on the PES thread:

the other big thing i noticed apart from the ball mechanics is the players' legs. your typical football game gives players' legs approximately the same mobility as subbuteo did. but this game has bucked the trend, and their legs work like they are jointed and free moving, and they control the ball realistically. a broad and obvious example i noticed is that skill players would automatically use fancy ball control if i changed direction with them sharply.

I would say this is true of FIFA, not PES. the PES players feel almost like little automatons, the FIFA players like little breathing dudes; the game is really physical and fluid; sure there's that slight FIFA delay on button presses but it's actually there to give you more control not less, and once you've factored it in the football you can play is very graceful

also going from FIFA to PES you notice you have absolutely no control over headers in PES; the animations are also worse I think = which isn't just presentation, it absolutely impacts on gameplay ie if there is an animation in there to stutter and falter vis a vis no animation and the guy just carries on as usual

also FIFA seems to have full analogue control, whereas PES seems to be very axis-y

god, listen to the FIFA fanboy here

: ((((((((((

tho that last point might have something to do with the xbox controller? apparently there releasing a new one in conjunction with PES?? with a reworked dpad

watch and weep

uh...this seems...OK

I mean, I just bought it out of curiousity, y'know, I mean, it's not like-

I like how you have to time your jump for a header or you can end up missing the ball or just glancing it

It's good that when you have a penalty there is a Controversy Interlude, followed by you having to actually choose how the kick is taken, as opposed to PES' thing where a dodgy foul happens and the ball is immediately on the spot, giving you about five seconds to pick a random direction to watch some godawful SNES-standard toepoked penalty go in one of about five directions and either go in or deflect off the keeper at ridiculous speed

Direct free kicks feel a bit floaty and shit, and on the basic control settings I feel like a lot of my Counter-Attacking Football Of The Most Ruthless Kind is hampered by the passes all being little feeble taps, and the receiving player just kind of waiting for them to arrive. Is there anything resembling a super cancel to remedy this and avoid pointlessly chasing down balls that are going out for my goal kick etc?

On shunting the difficulty up on Be a Pro mode I find myself having flashbacks to the harrowing early days of PES5 and feeling like I have about three seconds on the ball to try and remember how to do one of the little tricks to try and actually beat a player

It is a disgrace that there is no training mode, but quite good that the soundtrack has Cut Copy and Gonzalez

are you on 360? play me!! I'm on as cozeny

LT/RT is supercancel so I guess R2/L2

if you use the right stick you can receive passes better btw - just touch gently in the direction you want to move into and the guy will turn gracefully; hit it hard and the guy will kick it in front, useful

yeah, lack of training mode is a bit wack : /

long passes are weird in this game: the only thing I've actually found to be genuinely floaty; they seem to hang in the air for an age

I can't believe this dude picked real madrid after I picked aston villa!!!

I will add you when I have Gold access and am not crap at the game (I am MichaelAnnoyman)

xp I only ever pick Aston Villa. I hear reports of people leaving the cursor on Bristol City for ages, and then switching to Real Madrid after their opponent has politely picked another low-ranked team

you know, i was going to draw an HILARIOUS correlation between buying the wrong footy game and buying the wrong console, but my heart really isn't in it anymore. i could've worked in a Villa angle for Ferg too. it's a shame really.

http://img.webring.com/r/n/noprejudiceallow/logo

fifa is http://web.archive.org/web/20010603113745/www.mchammer.com/gifs/try2.gif

with the weekly loyalty bonus Randy Lerner pays all season ticket holders, I can easily afford both games on both consoles

which version features the poo po po po po pooo

ugh this game is so rich, deep, full, whatever; really rewarding too

I can't believe this dude picked real madrid after I picked aston villa!!!

lol

Man I can't wait until this comes out in the US. I see czn logged in and playing it and get jealous.

btw I have the demo and really suck so I'll drive your scores up.

awesome!

if enough 360 owners with live memberships buy it, maybe we can set up an online league?

or we could start a club, whatever

god; the 10vs10 matches are v.infuriating when playing with strangers who just run and run and refuse to pass : //////////

that sounds good. I will sort mah Gold access this week

EA really appear to have brought their A-game wrt the online possibilities in this, as long as you have the means to play with people who will pass the ball in co-op games and not just pick Man United every all the time

Q: What’s the future for Online Clubs?

A: We envision a time when you have managers, an economy system where players will be able to move clubs, where playing FIFA becomes an alternate reality to the real world of football. The day will come when there are virtual equivalents of Wayne Rooney or Ronaldinho, from different parts of the world, who are expert FIFA gamers and clubs are clamoring to recruit them to represent their side, just like the real world. Ultimately our ambition is to have the best 11 English FIFA football players at each position playing against the best 11 American, German, or Italian FIFA football players at each position to actually stage a virtual world cup to earn the right to be the world’s best FIFA football team.

ok, FC ILX - world domination or bust!

I fancy myself as a lightweight fannydangle winger, but I deep down I suspect that my principal strength in football games is as a brutal destroy-everything defensive midfielder

I guess they are hoping that people will manage to get well drilled teams together that will easily beat teams consisting of 10 headless chicken basement dwelling fantasists, and that at higher standards the games will actually be well balanced and realistic

i'm looking forward to trolling this thread as it progresses

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1310000/images/_1314742_cov_despair300.jpg

oh no!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1310000/images/_1314742_cov_despair300.jpg

OH NO!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1315000/images/_1319338_merson_goal.gif

Despite that demoralising prospect, I am hoping to score a goal like this on the game soon

these are things to aspire to

lol at eto'o doing the crouch robot (hold LT+click R3)

EA world seems to be down at the moment tho (and I was only playing nottm. forest so I could score and see the celebration!)

This is £25 in Morrison's for the next two weeks, apparently. Think I might pick it up on the way home from work.

only an hour left before I can go home and play this!

goddamn, fuck EA for delaying this in north america

OK; I went ahead and created an ILx league anyway; dunno what the uptake will be but I set the max teams to 20 to allow scope (tho doubt we'll get that many obv)

it's for the 360 vn; it's called ILx Premiership (if you're searching for it) and the password is henfap

should have probably done max 10 teams, play each other twice; not max 20 teams, play each other once

would that be better? I'll try change it, if there's consensus

do we even have any other FIFA 09 360 users?

how abt a ps3 ilx league?

Pretty sure Spiralli will crack soon and buy a 360, and FIFA, and the Aston Villa 2007-8 Season Review DVD

I am 2-0 in online games. In my first one I threw away a 2-0 Villa lead against Barcelona and spent the entirety of extra time besieging their goal, only to finish up 2-2. In penalties, having saved his third and fourth kicks, I needed to score my fourth to win 4-2. I had put my first three penalties in the left hand corner while his goalkeeper remained stationary expecting the customary football video game straight-down-the-middle-nobody-expects-that gambit. On the fourth kick he duly hurled himself to the left while I sent a ludicrous puffball chip straight down the middle of the goal.

BALLS OF STEEL

how are you finding it now, MPx4A?

I haven't been this into a football game since PES4; the online stuff is just so slick and well implemented, and largely lag-free. there have been a few connection problems today, down to lots of people bombing onto the servers since launch I guess

finding it really hard to get fast back-to-front moves going, difficult to go past players too; enjoying it lots mind

my online record isn't as glorious as yours, sadly: W6 L5

I don't know if that only includes ranked; not sure what happens with unranked and league games

I'm W4 L0 for the time being. I've only played ranked so I guess I've been playing beginners so far.
I'm liking this so far, although the new heading system is quite challenging

check out this little shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FYC9cSg4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFIPmpy0k7U

http://fifasoccerblog.com/blog/fsb-exclusive-manager-mode-qa-with-marcel-kuhn/

They appear to be working ridiculously hard on FIFA 10. I like how honest they are that a lot of aspects of FIFA 09 are massively annoying.

yup sounds good. I think silly little things like actual weather and day and night are going to make such a big change to the way MM feels so everything else is just bonus

pfft if that guy was doing that stuff with Yeovil I'd be impressed, you pick Man U every game and you only have to hold a few buttons down for all that fancy shit to come out

if he played me I'd have six across the back, kick him off the pitch and do him on a set piece

huht

agreed it's easier with Man U or Barca yet I have no idea how he does all these tricks (and I have played this game A LOT) ! it always seems so difficult to do anything but run and pass (although I do succeed in doing some little tricks but always the same and not in the same league as these things).

Yeah, I dunno how you get every touch to come out as a flick or a backheel

Insisting on backheeling everything in just makes him look like some obsessive child, really

That and the the six minute long jumpcut-wracked video of him playing FIFA

eheh, yeah; clearly, he's 12 or something !
I've played against one (well, I suppose it was a kid) online once. and he kept doing all these little tricks. of course he played with Man U...
but beside the silliness of it, he has an amazing control of the ball. I wish I knew how to do a tenth of this !

not related at all (except that he's the - very badly drawn - head of the game), the latest game ronaldinho played and apparently he still has some skills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-rNe49yqg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sofoot.com%2Fronaldinho-est-vivant-115215-news.html&feature=player_embedded

damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-rNe49yqg

in every video montage of ronaldinho ever: him beating folks w.lots of fannydangle then overhitting a pass or falling over

nahhhh he's looking sharp this pre-season; lost some weight

anyone fancy a game? I'm tired of playing fannies with jacked-up luton teams

― czn (cozwn), Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:28 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark

is this, like, a thing with this game?

(i am from there. and my brother actually still supports them, i think, which takes some doing, these days.)

jacked-up no mark teams is def. a thing since the fannies discovered the ranked match transfer glitch

every team has ronaldo, benzema, terry, lampard etc now : /

xpost

well, I haven't followed him closely but his latest season seemed pretty awful. even by his actual low standard.
I can't really understand how someone can go so fast from being the greatest player alive to... that. I mean, you can gain weight and all but the touch of the ball, the skills can't disappear overnight (unless you're severely injured or something, which is not the case here).

anyway, I'll be glad to play the new fifa (or back to pes if they improve A LOT) since 09 is a bit too easy now. I could try to master the tricks and all to keep me busy in the meantime !

I think they patched the jacked-up-Luton glitch, although in that one situation I think it should've been allowed to continue.

That skills video does definitely make me want to spend a bit of time properly learning the tricks, I just use the odd stepover or stud roll out on the wings generally, although I did skin some kid's goalkeeper on the edge of the area when I beat him 8-0.

yeah, same here.
I'm annoyed that, although I win, I always play the same way. I need to add some diversity and creativity to the mix !

I only play unranked now and in tht mode there're still a lot of jacked-up lutons out there :((((((((((

tht kid is 16 btw and yeah I agree: congratulations u scored a goal w/man u ws my response

pretty psyched for 10 now, shd still have some features to announced

I hope they fix the godawful menus

i am actually considering getting fifa 10 instead of the new PES. and i haven't played a fifa since the first ISS came out on psx.
it just seems to me that the fifa crew are maybe trying harder these days, having acknowledged being the "underdog".

I've said this many times before on various threads but I was a hardcore pes fan on PS2. since I got a 360 and checked both pes and fifa's nextgen games, I went for fifa and I've never been tempted to go back. I don't understand how pes has screwed up so hard. if they improve fifa 10 as much as they've improved fifa 9 compared to fifa 08, I can't see how pes could beat them...

That dude's 6-minute long "I am great" video; as others have said, it's just not that impressive as Man Utd. I appreciate some of the goals are against Chelsea and such, but the simple fact is that if you're Newcastle and do a 30yarder with Gutierrez from mid rather than Ronaldo you'll be lucky to only give away a goal kick rather than a throw in. Likewise, try doing some fancy shit on the ball with Bassong and watch the ball roll away from his feet halfway through a spin. /end bitter NUFC fan rant

When you look at the PES 2010 information, it just sounds like more of the same: "Improved graphics", "Improved AI", etc, which is the same intangible crap claimed every year. I've been all about PES since the first PES (never had the ISS, but played them on the N64), but it's become stale like Fifa did for a long time. Now it looks like Fifa are making with the important changes, and after playing some Fifa 2009 (my flatmate rented it for a bit) last week, I think I'll be hitting Fifa 10 when it's out unless I hear something really amazing about PES to change my mind.

yeah, there's a part of me that wishes PES would make an amazing game this year since I had such great times with their previous gen games. but I highly doubt it...
fifa seems to have a great advantage on almost every level now.

is fifa 10 gonna have more 10v10 stuff? That's what would make me get it, for sure.

yup, also 5v5

5v5 is gonna be awesome!

so I've started practicing some tricks. I must say it brings some new excitement to the games when you're not just trying to win but to win with style !

finally got that diving header achievement

nice, congratulations !

I hope they at least let u save replays locally in '10

haha

I still don't have the diving header one. My players always seem to casually stand still and glance headers in and it looks shit.

Play me at FIFA soon ay

is that blanco?
http://i31.tinypic.com/nqxpvd.jpg

sacha kljestan in case u wr wondering

tht is the us cover

guy on right is eric balfour?

btw
http://i27.tinypic.com/23jrc09.jpg

Haha sonderangerbot OTM

my own eduardo moment

My main complaint with the game is that sometimes it seems like the players take to long to react, especially when you pass towards a guy you don't have control of - it seems like it takes a second or two for the game to give you control of the intended receiver & he just stands rooted in place waiting for the ball instead of moving towards it, giving the defender too much opportunity to cut off the pass.

I have an answer to tht which I was thinking about earlier but I am drunk right now!!!!

hence my replies to other threads

ah

I feel like the game should know, "oh he just hit X which passes automatically to his nearest teamamte, so now either we should give the player instant control of the receiver or at least make that guy run towards the ball instead of stopping to stand still and wait for the ball to reach his feet." Is there a button you can press to get earlier control of that guy maybe?

hm... assuming you've already selected the receiver with the LB you can move him subtly on the spot with the LT, this is useful when taking balls in the air because you can get into a better position without moving too far out of the way or you can gain 'full' control by using the 'super-cancel' which is LT/RT iirc. players tend to run along pre-defined lines or stand in a computer defined spot to recive passes, with 'super-cancel' you can essentially delete this track and gain complete control of the player

LT+RT, I think

fifa 09 totally stole it's entire control scheme from PES, from the super-cancel concept to the way you fake shots etc

Thanks, I was hoping there was something I was doing wrong. Despite liking the game, I play it so infrequently that I have to relearn the controls every time I put it in the machine. Yesterday I actually had to get out the instruction manual after earning a penalty kick to see how to take it. Anyhow, even if there is a cancel move to gain quicker control of your intended receiver, I still think it could just be better integrated into the natural flow of the game

FIFA 10 is supposed to be quite a step forward in terms of the urgency and alertness players show when receiving a ball, which will hopefully make it a bit easier to ping the ball around with good teams.

really getting into manager mode. took lyon to league and cup glory then took a move to liverpool. arbeloa and xabi alonso really pissing me off w/their inability to complete short passes so offloaded them for michel bastos and capdevilla . mcgeady hasn't really adapted to premiership football either. unrealistic

probly see if I can scout liam miller to complete the set of under-achieving celtic youth

aston villa top of the league by 9 points loooooool

torres!!