As long as we are starting fights - INVERTED VS NORMAL LOOK POLL

I think we might've done this but any chance to go at it again

inverted isn't for remmies

NORMAL YOU FREAKS.

source material: when did inverted look stop being the default?

has to be inverted (i have no idea when i got used to inverted though, it seems weird that it's more natural for me)

WOULD YOU PUSH A JOYSTICK FORWARD TO LOOK UP? ugh.

INVERTED 4 LIFE

― cutty, Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

invert. my god.

NORMAL YOU FREAKS.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, January 5, 2009 7:20 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

please go buy some airplane lessons and tell me how the 'normal look' went for you if you come back.

Inverted made sense when everyone was using joysticks and most games that used it were flight sims. Nowadays, not so much...

INVERTED 4 LIFE

― cutty, Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― carne asada, Monday, January 5, 2009 1:27 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it is a matter of dimensions not of controllers.

desktop type OS = 2d = move mouse or joystick forward to move cursor up
first person view game = 3d = move mouse or joystick back to move viewpoint up.

well, dimensions + viewpoints

Normal is just rong.

Now there needs to be one about left/right inverted.

(for detached camera games e.g. 3D platformers)

was playing Saints Row 2 with my bro over the break and we kept having to switch between inverted and normal when we'd pass the controller back and forth. Until then I had no idea anyone actually preferred normal look. I guess I played too many flight simulators in the 80s and early 90s to ever go back, and why should I? I mean I could learn to type with a different keyboard setup but wtf.

Now there needs to be one about left/right inverted.
(for detached camera games e.g. 3D platformers)

not sure what you mean here but i was thinking of (made-up terminology alert) 'point n go' versus 'rotate then move' paradigms. ie either you push the stick in the direction you want to run, or you move the stick left or right to rotate anti-clockwise or clockwise, then push forward to move in the direction you're facing.

whichever one of these it is that lego star wars has in the x-wing flying sections, really screwed me up.

Inverted made sense when everyone was using joysticks and most games that used it were flight sims. Nowadays, not so much...
― Nhex, Monday, January 5, 2009 8:06 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark

I'm pretty sure most console FPS games use a joystick for looking on the game controller (albeit a small joystick).

NORMAL YOU FREAKS.
― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, January 5, 2009 7:20 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

please go buy some airplane lessons and tell me how the 'normal look' went for you if you come back.

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax)

Ah, that famous FPS "flying an airplane".

For flight sims or whatever inverted would make sense, but I don't think we're talking about that.

But it's far closer to the feeling (thumb control) of a D-pad than it is grasping a joystick. My point is inverted look made sense back then because you were actually simulating being in a cockpit and flying an aircraft, even one in space with jets propelling you from the back.

In most games now, FPS, you simulate your actual eyes and head, so far that it's actually modeled in the game now when you turn your head in any direction. Doesn't it make more sense to move your chin DOWN to look at the ground, and forehead UP to look at the sky? (of course you could make the argument that you're pulling your head back to look up = "down", but come on...)

flight sims aside, it still makes some kind of intuitive 3D sense to me, like leaning back to look up and leaning forward to look down.

ha xp

sorry but cutty nailed it

INVERTED 4 LIFE

― cutty, Saturday, November 8, 2008 1:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― carne asada, Monday, January 5, 2009 1:27 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― Euler, Monday, 5 January 2009 20:08 (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

intuitive 3D sense - 100% agreement. Like tilting your head.

flying has nothing to do with it, even in a plane you're just pointing the stick to change your attitude, the plane just happens to fly in the direction it's facing. moving the stick forward = changing the attitude of the [imaginary] plane (i mean surface not aircraft) that the stick is on, tilting it downwards (at the front), and then the plane (i mean aircraft not surface) matches that movement.

clear as mud eh? lucky i don't write technical manuals for a living.

and yup it's just like tilting your head.

i think of tilting my head as looking up, rather than thinking of it as pulling my head back.

inverted ftw, now and forever. "normal" look is newspeak at its archest.

ledge, say in Ratchet & Clank when you push the view stick left to swing the camera one way and right to swing it the other. I think it's called screen-relative control or something (as opposed to character-relative control).

NORMAL and all of you inverties are crazy.

YOU ARE

BUT WHAT AM I?

oh wait

Inverted is normal and all you normalies are inverted!!!

Normal! Maybe inverted would make sense if every direction were reversed, like in Ratchet & Clank as described above, but when left is left and right is right, then up should be up and down should be down.

plus nobody plays flight sims anymore

Pushing forward makes the camera go down. Makes perfect sense.

i think of tilting my head as looking up, rather than thinking of it as pulling my head back.

― what U cry 4 (jim), Monday, January 5, 2009 9:20 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who the fuck thinks of movement that way

normal 4 life

how someone could think this is such a gigantic mystery to me that it kind of reawakens my sense of wonder at the incredible diversity of life on this planet

― dugong.jpg (jabba hands), Monday, 5 January 2009 23:43 (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahah

while using analog stix i don't feel it it as 'up' and 'down' i naturally feel it as 'pushing fwd' and 'pulling back', it's just habit really.

this instincively changes when flipping to a menu or something obviously up-down like a 2d map screen, hmmm

Pushing up to make the camera go up is spazmo. I actually cannot play games that are configured that way.

It has nothing to do with aeroplane sims btw, it's just common freaking sense.

What I am trying to say is that some of you are inferior.

it's just habit really. ― goole

this^^^
also, it's not just joystick flight simulators. think about the fps pc games. I would play quake with a mouse and the keyboard. pushing the mouse forward would make the camera go down, back in the days of Quake and Duke Nukem 3D. Was this the natural mouse preset, I wonder. But none the less, I played inverted - the only difference was that I used a mouse.

why yes inverted obviously

Another poll is mouse control for FPSes. I HATED that.

what?

mouse control for fps is really the only way to play. I've resigned myself to playing shit on my xbox, but that's only because I can't be bothered frittering away money on upgrading my computer every year. Counterstrike with my sensitivity at like 1.3 or something I was the aim master, can never get that kind of control on a pad.

you are of NOOB STOCK

woah NEWFLASH

in shadow of the colossus there are TWO (count em) definitions of normal and TWO definitions of inverted

a different set for each of the camera and aiming

MIND. BLOWN.

NEWFLASH

consider my director of sales freaked out

fast meme deployment, a+

ts: NEWFLASH vs. "of N00BS"

winner, of course, is "of N00BFLASH"

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

I DEMAND A RECOUNT.

SOCKPUPPETS WERE USED HERE.

srsly

24 sockpuppet N00BS

haha this poll has accepted my vote like three times I think

― Ant Attack.. (Ste)

Proof the system was flawed. The result cannot stand.

Even if Ste was voting normal!

Please refer to me as Otm Almanac in all further correspondence

it would have been higher for the "normals" except many of them were too busy losing at whatever they're playing

And it would have been a bigger win for inverted if the 'verties weren't off playing Goldeneye, flight sims and cocksucking.

if by "cocksucking" you mean "whipping normal ass" then I agree entirely

All this proves is that most gamers on ILX are stodgy old farts

stodgy old KICKASS and righter than you'll ever be farts thank you very much

ts: stodgy old fart v retard

ridiculous

haha this poll has accepted my vote like three times I think

― Ant Attack.. (Ste)

Proof the system was flawed. The result cannot stand.

gosh i voted three times for normal, we were slaughtered in this poll weren't we. We really are a bunch of shocking noobs.

From now on it's inverted all the way for me, thank you ilgers for showing me the light.

inverts--good turnout!

noobs--get a clue!

its like prop 8 all over again

because the gays got outvoted?

ouch

if by "cocksucking" you mean "whipping normal ass" then I agree entirely

― Euler, Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I think he mean putting a male's penis in your mouth and sucking on it

not a females penis though

cuz that would just be weird

that could apply too. inverteds might like the trannies, goes well with the whole "down is up" thing

i would say that the odds are that inverted peeps would be tranny-chasers - just sort of goes with the general mindset i think

that's because we imagine ourselves behind the tranny. otherwise you'd be imagining yourself in front of the tranny getting a NORMAL fuck in the ass.

you guys have been playing GTA IV against 14 year olds too much.

I was going to post "lol gamers" but yeah, Mordy OTM

that could apply too. inverteds might like the trannies, goes well with the whole "down is up" thing

― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Friday, January 16, 2009 6:32 AM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i would say that the odds are that inverted peeps would be tranny-chasers - just sort of goes with the general mindset i think

― R. L. Stinebeck (John Justen), Friday, January 16, 2009 6:35 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

POLL

old farts don't play video games that have inverted or normal options. they only play wii bowling. - so that dispels the old farts prefer inverted theory.

http://www.jnintendo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ap_wii_080114_ms.thumbnail.jpg

http://www.ryansgoblog.com/images/oldman.jpg

http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/Old_gamers.jpg

http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/grandma_gamer_thumb.jpg

http://www.videogamer.com/news/lets_all_use_inverted_controls_says_miyamoto.html

"I've always felt that if the industry could just settle on one standard it would be a lot easier for us as developers," he told an audience at a Nintendo roundtable in Los Angeles. "I've always felt that at some point we need to find a point where we can unify these two groups."]

;_; oh those poor developers, they probably have to spend like ten whole seconds enabling inverted look and all just so that I can "actually enjoy" their game

in summary,

http://i.imgur.com/2ruxc.jpg

INVERTED 4 LIFE

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tho i gotta say that google streetview's implementation of x-axis inversion is a constant source of aggravation

inverted is bullshit

sorry about your tiny brain 8[

Maverick: I was also... inverted
Iceman: *cough*bullshit*cough*

Although I will side with all the people who are "WTF Shiggy?" - Nintendo can spend time making a controller that looks like a Teletubbies' placemat, but can't spend the time to add a tick box to a menu?

best ilg thread?

well best opening post is definitely here: I just played Chrono Trigger for over an hour.

normal-lookers are palsied and horse-like, more like

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