What are your video game challops?

My big two off the top of my head in ascending order:

1. Elder Scrolls is boring
2. Every Zelda game is shitty

WHAT ARE YOUR VIDEO GAME CHALLOPS also a thread to get mad abt other people's challops I know I will

Hey I'm sure there are lots of casual gamers who think Elder Scrolls is boring.

3. Halo is shit boring

I don't think I have any

Actually, y'know what, I'm really tired of Shiggy mythologizing. Someone linked to a new article about him in the New Yorker thread and while I'm sure it's very good, I really could just go without ever again hearing about what a visionary genius he is. Whatever.

^^^ Truth. Journalists desperate to have an auteur to cling onto, really.

sports games peaked in 1995

so challops = things you hate about gaming?

Mario was a hero to most but he never meant shit to me

FFIX was the best of them

Challops = challenging opinions, so can be loves as well as hates afaik.

mario 2 is the best mario

link's awakening is the best zelda game (probably in my top 5-10 favorite games ever). ocarina of time is the worst of the 3d ones, maybe the worst overall but i havent played all the newer ones

I liked the card battle game in FFIX

Repton 2 was the best in the series.

i dunno if this is a challop exactly but the old sonic the hedgehog games are built from a fundamentally poor game design where the player is encouraged to play sub-optimally, at least in terms of avoiding death, because the fun in the game is going fast and going fast makes it harder to avoid obstacles in a 2D level in which you can't see very far ahead of you. ironically, those 3D 3rd person sonic games fixed this problem but as far as i can tell no one liked them.

xxp I loved that card game, even played the windows port of it

link's awakening really is about the best game ever, tbf

There are no good 3D platformers and Mario 64 is responsible for the worst game design detour of all time.

challops how it should be, right there kids

i dunno if this is a challop exactly but the old sonic the hedgehog games are built from a fundamentally poor game design where the player is encouraged to play sub-optimally, at least in terms of avoiding death

― ciderpress, Thursday, March 24, 2011 6:20 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you could totally flow at high speed in sonic and reach transcendent planes it just required letting go

truthbomb, all of the screts and bonuses on sonic were only accessible by seat of your pants instinct, reaction, and faith in a benign universe

FFIX was the best of them

This is very much true. Only one I ever finished, too.

Wind Waker is the best Zelda.

this is one ive brought up before but im sticking with it because its true

all racing games need to have jumps in them or they're worthless - if you want one without jumps hop in your time machine and go play pole position

no way, fantasy physics racing games are bollocks

luigi pwns mario

the only people that give a shit about the Command & Conquer series are kids with ADHD

iirc a challenging opinion is a statement of something everyone more or less accepts, but is asserted as if what's being said is challenging

so with that in mind

Master of Magic is better than any Civ game that's ever been or ever will be.

i think challops has to be RONG, but delivered as if it were a truthbomb

yeah challops has a double meaning between what you said and "casually talking bollocks as if it were universally accepted fact" and then a wider meaning which is roughly "talking indefensible bollocks in the hope of appearing interesting".

The 1st def is the truest but the other connotations def apply. Also lol get tae fuck Master of Magic my arse

Easy video games are the best.

someone's gonna hardcore my ass with Master of Orion 2 but Master of Magic is the realest shit there ever was, no joke

Civ wins because it doesn't happen in magic robot land

how else d'you define a computer

calculator with pretensions

wannabe tv that never had the personality

guessing you don't go for illegal time travel experiments in your Civ, then

Dogme 05 video game rules forever

fact: hockey games have only gone downhill since NHL 94.

95 imo, part of my post re sports games above

excluding Football Manager I assume

Archon made chess irrelevant

oh man I remember Archon when it first came out. you're still lying, obv

all racing games need to have jumps in them or they're worthless - if you want one without jumps hop in your time machine and go play pole position

I hear ya - the arcade version of Bump 'n' Jump is the best thing ever.

this is one ive brought up before but im sticking with it because its true

all racing games need to have jumps in them or they're worthless - if you want one without jumps hop in your time machine and go play pole position

― broke my o_O face o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

this is the best challop yet, because its so freakin dumb

games designed for kids are better than games designed for grownups

i dunno if this is a challop exactly but the old sonic the hedgehog games are built from a fundamentally poor game design where the player is encouraged to play sub-optimally, at least in terms of avoiding death, because the fun in the game is going fast and going fast makes it harder to avoid obstacles in a 2D level in which you can't see very far ahead of you. ironically, those 3D 3rd person sonic games fixed this problem but as far as i can tell no one liked them.

― ciderpress, Friday, March 25, 2011 6:20 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

such a fucking truth bomb, I hate sega genesis sonic

championship manager/football manager was better back in the day when it wasn't so fuckin complicated and you could win every game by putting three people as ST and blast thru a season in a couple of hours.

^ this. I've been playing through a few seasons on 01-02 and it's actually FUN taking a lower league team to glory. I don't like games which are realistic portrayals of things I'm complete shit at irl.

xpost, there

if we were still numbering "videogames should not require you to learn the maps" would have had a number on it, here is another one:

x. the first good fps will be for the most part procedurally generated

agree, much prefer fps where you go through each level like a god of wrath in a particular hurry, and being shot is a trifling inconvenience because chicken heals all.

Realism is for business graduates, let me LIVE games programmers

xp explain that in a non-technical-manual way pls

the "god of fury" thing is what made Arkham Asylum so badass

i feel like "just learn the maps" is more reasonable with multiplayer games (esp shooters) than w/SP, since there's the expectation that you'll be replaying a lot of the same map content anyway... but l4d is deffo a weird case where prizing efficiency too much can be a fun-killer

videogames should not require you to 'learn the maps'

Games don't require you to learn the maps. Other players who have already learnt the maps and are thus kicking your arse, they require you to learn the maps.

goldeneye was still awful

YOU were still awful

never finished Minish Cap, my own fault. left too larger time gaps between playing, and just couldn't be bothered remembering what i had to do.

me too, totally. when i came back to it i had no idea where anything was or what little item i was supposed to be going after (via 'learn the maps').

wil wright is a talentless hack who got lucky

wil wright's simcitie

wil wright is a talentless hack who got lucky

Agreed.

i don't know, i doubt anyone could get quite that lucky twice in a row

i'm not sure he's a very good game designer. but he's definitely got talent at something, i think

i mean simcity is a v good summation of what being someone that spent a lot of time on a computer in 1990 says about you, and the sims is a v good summation of what being someone that spends a lot of time on a computer in 2000 does

If you think of him as a toymaker rather than a game designer then he makes more sense.

i mean simcity is a v good summation of what being someone that spent a lot of time on a computer in 1990 says about you, and the sims is a v good summation of what being someone that spends a lot of time on a computer in 2000 does

I don't understand what you mean, but I am intrigued

re: mario 64 http://www.computerandvideogames.com/296735/features/gabe-newell-my-3-favourite-games/

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If we're still talking GoldenEye: it was the ONLY FPS I played, both for reasons of preference and HEALTH. I'm talking real-life health, because FPSes give me fierce motion sickness (now also include 3D games -- I had to stop playing Arkham Asylum too!), and although I felt queasy playing GE in single player, I *never* had a problem with the multiplayer. Moreover, the controls just felt so intuitive (surely my many hours of playing helped train me to its gameplay) in a way that literally no other FPS (ok, maybe Perfect Dark, but that's the same engine) managed, and so I just couldn't play e.g. CS at all.

the desperate, impossible task of finding your friends in the Maze of Polygonal Grayness so that you can shoot each other maybe once before the time limit expires?

Were you one of those noobs who played with radar on, or who complained that their opponents were looking at their screen to figure out where they were?

I remember the lolz we had when guys started moving around while pressed up as close to the walls just so the rest of us couldn't cheat by looking at their screens.

Again: we were TRYING to find each other! I would stand still, say "OK, come kill me, look at my screen! I'm in like...this room! It's gray!" And time would run out. Again, DOOM and Duke 3D may have spoiled me on the idea of lively, interesting, interactive and memorable environments in an FPS, so perhaps I was not well-primed to experience the GoldenEye "magic."

And radars were on by default, weren't they? So your friends didn't know how radars work? I'm still not really seeing how this situation came about. Maybe they just didn't *want* to find you.

Ugh, this is hard to explain. Nevermind. Suffice to say it is a problem I have never had in any other FPS.

but irl?

Peggle and Angry Birds are as boring as hell, wtf people

Peggle owns and anyone who disagrees ought to be defenestrated.

Angry Birds is garbage though.

ugh enjoy watching a ball bounce around randomly, then

It isn't random though. Maybe you just suck at it?

"gameplay"

thomp is great on this thread

man i did not see this thread. wind waker is the best zelda, final fantasy 7 sucks, diablo was more fun than diablo 2 (can't really back this one up), the coolest computer RPG ever was Betrayal at Krondor, recent bethesda games are NOT BAD ACTUALLY (this is a challop in some circles).

i loved goldeneye and we basically lived on it in middle school but i understand and sympathize with every complaint ever made about it, and if you knew what it felt like to play a computer FPS it was TOTALLY RIDICULOUS trying to play one with a joystick where you had to stand still just to aim. also perfect dark was probably an improvement, even if the N64 could barely run it.

i think someone here linked to a blog post they wrote in another thread about mario64 and how mario games at least up thru that one were built around the player (yourself) increasing in ability over the course of the game.

this was me i think. i like this game a LOT.

Diablo was more fun than diablo 2 (can't really back this one up)

this is a challop in some circles

not in this circle! or at least not for everyone. i love post-morrowind bethesda, straight thru to F: New Vegas. the best RPGs being currently made imho.

plants vs zombies is unbelievably good; all time classic
angry birds is a straight up boom blox rip off and not half as fun.

Diablo 2 was kinda pre-WoW focus-grouped addiction simulator.

this is totally how i feel too, but i don't know if this is because of what it became because it lined up with the starcraft-driven explosion of battle.net and was therefore ready to be Played Constantly (i only ever played the first one at LAN parties), or because of something that was actually wrong with it. from a distance it looks like a longer diablo with better rain effects.

never understood the appeal of diablo in the slightest

diablo was fun because it took absolutely no thought at all, like none, like seriously NONE beyond "keep an eye on your health meter so you can drink a potion with the 1 key", and you could play it with friends on rainy saturdays and make sandwiches and talk about senior girls, and still have something to get fucking furious at each other about when someone stood in a doorway and the Rogue accidentally shot them.

I finally started playing Oblivion again. I've documented my problems with the leveling system in other threads and obviously the PC version is superior because the modding community is amazing. My computer is not.

My gaming challops is that some games force me to play all OCD-like. This isn't so bad when I'm just hanging back and leveling, BECAUSE I CAN (and therefore must make my character more badass), but sometimes it's too much. "Efficient leveling" in Oblivion is too much. Looking for heart containers in Zelda ain't so bad. Collecting all the puzzle pieces and letters in KONG for Donkey Kong Wii actually made the game last longer. It's an amazing game so I appreciate that it lasts longer. Having my character becoming too powerful and too much of a badass in Oblivion and Fallout 3 was a downer. It's not as fun to play when everything dies so quickly. But I can't NOT make my character a badass in an RPG.. I don't have it in me to underplay any game.

Fortunately I think I've found a way to enjoy Oblivion (more) this time around. After 20 or so levels of "efficent leveling" I'm just gonna stop leveling all together. But man, if I had a gaming PC, mods would fix all my main problems with Oblivion right off the bat.

diablo 2 is the best game ever made iirc

you dont

no, pretty sure i do

Dragon Age Origins was particularly detrimental to my RPG OCDness

Diablo II has got to be in the top 10 at least

btw, i finally got pac man championship dx and super meat boy and they are both hella addictive and different sorts of frustrating

not in this circle!

― Mordy, Tuesday, April 5, 2011 4:15 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

goddammit yes it is

MGS3 is best Metal Gear.

all popcap games suck giant dicks.

casual game enthusiasts are the poptimists of video gaming

all post quake ii FPS games suck dick

videoooo games huh?

yeah

ok then