Pro Evolution Soccer 2009

gonna be playing pro evo pretty much solidly this friday/weekend

i have a hot xbox console waiting for me on my friend's couch so ill say this

holding down R2 when receiving the ball has helped a lot

if you know what i mean

was VERY disappointed that the US team in PE2008 didn't have the real players

the current PES is some bullshit. it stopped being fun for some reason. there seemed to be a logic to the previous versions, from PES3 onweards anyhow, that was compromised in PES6 and killed off in 2008. it's difficult to explain because it's not one or two glaring things. anyway, supposedly 2009 is a back to the drawing board affair, which they say about FIFA every year and which to date hasn't stopped that franchise disappearing down the shitter. PES 2009 will be 50/50 chance of rebirth or death. meanwhile, all i want is a decent footie game to play.

i guess i'm not hard-core but PES2008 seems exactly like the previous version except with up-to-date players on the intl squads (with some glaring exceptions, like the US)

I'm skeptical that PES 2009 is going to be significantly different that 2008/2007. They keep saying the same stuff, but. Actually I only played 2008 on the wii (played 2007 on the 360 and it never captured my attention), which was fun, but a little too shallow. I'm quite happy with FIFA 08 on the ps3, except I feel like it moves a little slow, you just can't get those really speedy strikes - I've heard maybe they fixed this with the UEFA game, if that carries over to 09, I think EA will get my money again.

the current PES is some bullshit. it stopped being fun for some reason. there seemed to be a logic to the previous versions, from PES3 onweards anyhow, that was compromised in PES6 and killed off in 2008. it's difficult to explain because it's not one or two glaring things. anyway, supposedly 2009 is a back to the drawing board affair, which they say about FIFA every year and which to date hasn't stopped that franchise disappearing down the shitter. PES 2009 will be 50/50 chance of rebirth or death. meanwhile, all i want is a decent footie game to play.

-- Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 24 June 2008 15:32 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Sounds like time for Dino Dini to come back and retain his crown

man, Kick Off and Kick Off 2 were the bollocks when they came out, but Sensi buried them so quickly. we were spoiled, way back when.

played ko2 again recently, it's not quite as good as i remembered it.

but then i played sensi soccer, the remake, and it's even worse. What's with all the fouling by the computer? quite unplayable.

i agree with roberto- my PS2 2008 version has recently been retired due to scratching and i've gone back to playing 2005- and it's a much cleaner, sharper version with more control over the players, especially off the ball.

how do you control players off the ball????

2008 was absolute bullshit, online play on the 360 was a laggy nightmare. I bought it and played it for about five hours then threw it in a drawer and went back to 6 (which I still play on Xbox live weekly). Will probably try this before I buy it.

Also FIFA is some bullshit. Too arcadey. You can pick it up once and give someone who is a vet a real run for their money. No depth to that, too easy to score.

I don't know - this is the first year I picked up FIFA and I have a really hard time scoring (though maybe I'm just no good). From what I understand the game has evolved quite a bit over the years. When was the last time you tried it?

About a year ago maybe? Think it was the most recent one. One thing you can say for it is that it sure looks ten times better than Pro.

how do you control players off the ball????

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:52 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

sorry- was referring more to the movement of players off the ball, but yeah the 'super cancel' move gives you more freedom when running off the ball too in 2005 edition.

important that new pes. I've played all the previous ones to death until pes2008 which sucks so much I went to the enemy : fifa ! (and i'm pretty satisfied with it. slow but a lot more realistic than pes)
if pes2009 doesn't improve considerably, they will lose me forever (or until 2010).

spain v germany -

on one of my corners the guy on 2008 says "oh what's the point of putting all those men in the box if you're just going to play it short" because i do play it short, xavi to iniesta, who plays it right back to xavi, who curls a calm and and penetrating cross into the box. fabregas blocks out a defender long enough for villa to volley it home, no sweat. shut the hell up.

how do you control players off the ball????

-- Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 25 June 2008 13:52 (5 days ago) Link

buy the (wonderful) wii edition of course.

If this sucks I'm going to be annoyed. Really wish they'd get the demo out so I can get my disappointment over and done with.

I mean FIFA is as woeful as ever but at least EA seem to have some sort of grasp of how you market a game.

better hamit altintop plz

^ my favorite player!

So how's the new PES if anyone's played a demo or something ?
As I said upthread, I went to FIFA08 and after playing the FIFA09 demo I don't think I'll go back to PES unless it's REALLY improved as the new FIFA improves on many levels (better control of the players, easier to take the ball from the cpu...).

http://www.floridastatefair.com/images/Flashing%20Logo%20W%20Dates.gif

demo in Euro PSN on Thurs.

Xbox demo out on Friday according to my source (some guy who works with my mate).

was VERY disappointed that the US team in PE2008 didn't have the real players

Agreed, without a lovingly rendered Brad Guzan face this game is bullshit

Xbox demo out on Friday according to my source (some guy who works with my mate).

― jim

or Thursday according to the internet

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170221

http://www.gamersyde.com/news_7031_en.html

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look forward to em posting that gif again on UK release date and US release date. the demo will determine whether i throw away money on importing this to have it a few weeks early.

downloading the demo now!!

please report back on the quality of gameplay exhibited by the demo

yes illuminate us as to the game's propensity to create enjoyment

I tried the PC demo last night - don't know how different it is than the console versions, but I thought it played pretty good (fast and pretty easy). The game also ran great, very smooth @ 1080p on my maybe slightly better than average computer (above 60fps with v-sync turned on) - unlike the FIFA demo, which ran on the slightly choppy side). Unfortunately, the graphics, animation and presentation remain exceptionally lackluster.

This is downloading outrageously slowly from xbox live arcade for me. 15% in an hour.

wooooh, it sure is shiny

i don't want to try to speak for everyone, but from a personal perspective, that isn't the kind of detailed analysis i was hoping for.

never mind, for i shall be freed of the shackles of my timezone very shortly so that i can joined the huddled, face-streaked masses and DL the demo to judge for myself.

haha sorry roberto! it plays... funny. it seems very light (?), which seems to be a criticism many people levelled at the last iteration (pes 2008). certainly not as 'heavy' as pes4/5

so far (1 game), it seems to play like pes and it's difficult to see what they've improved; of course, it's hard playing using a 360 pad, which is awful; I suspect my complaints about the feel are rooted in my distaste for the pad

there's a video after you play a game in which it shows you the "become a legend" and "legends" mode and those look pretty neat, if only mildly diverting

the core of pes has always been about the 2player tho, which I can't test right now : /

haha iniesta looks like lescott!!

blessed fucking relief. this is more like it. i think this is going to be a good one. i don't know if i'm noticing it because constant mention of it in previews has put it at the front of my mind, but the mechanics of the ball do seem much more realistic, with the result that things like meeting a cross, intercepting a pass and shooting seem quite different to before, and much better a lot of the time. i am going to blame this for the missed sitter, two missed open goals, and the crossbar ping that i just managed in a 0-0 thrillah.

did you play much pes2008 or did you skip that one too, roberto?

man, I really wish I still had the ability to play PS1 PES1 and 2 : /

wish I still had a copy of PES4 too : /

i've played them all, owned them all since 3. 3 and 4 were highlights for me, and the subsequent versions have been successive steps down until *FINGER + TOES CROSSED* this one, which i am getting all excited about right now.

I can't download the 360 demo becuase I don't have a "gold" account right now :(

Hmmm, I think for the 1ast time I'll be geting FIFA this time

not everyone wants to play the same game, YMMV, etc but if people keep giving those dozy EA cunts money for that turgid piece of shit game then they will never realise how terrible it is and they will keep rolling out the same dismal product.

yeah but listen man it has all the proper kits and that

always play co-op with friends

just signed for athletico madrid...what a moment

and still no call from giovanni trappatoni

yeah, actually. where the fuck is my call up?

still can't believe i won the european cup in the 2nd year of my footballing career

yet still not good enough to represent china

you're not on top player right?

this season have scored 17 goals in about 25 games for athletico. we're 3rd in the league and out of the CL. hoping this puts me in shop window for a huge move.

and for trappatoni

it's just occurred to me that

1) I'm quite lardy arsed

2) don't shave much

3) play guitar into the wee small hours.

i'm never gonna get a call up :(

if it goes on any longer I'm going to pretend I'm in a Stephen Ireland style standoff

yeah i'm on whatever medium level is and also i kind of cheated when i got to the champions league final with man united as I slided in first minute and fucked up paul scholes (but the computer never seems to substitute injured players)

i think i'm united's nemesis actually coming to think of it - i scored the opening goal last night in a league match with the back of my head from a corner in a 3-1 rout.

that's the fun part. i seem no more competent on screen than i would be in real life. i rely on jonathan elmander to make me look good.

particularly as i've made myself as short and fat as possible for laughs. i worry this may somehow affect my acceleration/jumping, but the stats seem separate?

I went back and played some Winning Eleven 8 (Pro Evo 4) this evening and was surprised by how much it felt exactly like Pro Evo 2009. I think that's a good thing?

It may be obvious, but the one thing going back taught me to appreciate is this gens 16 X 9 support. You get such a better view these days in widescreen - it's so much easier to pick out your passes, because for the most part you can see who you're passing to on the wider screen. Going back to the old game, I found I had to look down at the radar a lot more & that made trying to pass or put together a run considerably more difficult.

ok, the new become a legend mode aside, this game is a huge step backwards (in other words it's really quite a piece of crap) and having been an ISS/PES head for ten+ years i think about time i consider fifa, or just going back a few years and playing retro.

I played this for a few hours at at the weekend and it is honestly dogshit

was a huge fan up to pes 2008 which was so bad I went to fifa... and the latest fifa is so good (and pes 2009 seems so horrible) that I've never looked back... still, I'm curious to see what the next pes will be like.

I've said that already on this thread or the fifa one, though.
sorry !

say it again.

so- latest fifa on PS2? or revert back to PES 4?

Is anyone besides me excited about PES for the Wii? The 2008 version was my favorite footie game in quite a while, and if they've fixed the defense (as previews seem to suggest) 2009 should be outstanding. Though having to wait until March sucks.

latest fifa on 360 (and I used to play PES on ps2).
I've never played the old PES on ps2 since I went 360.
might have to try sometime. just for the good ol'days ! (I think PES 4 or 5 might have been my favourite game ever. But fifa09 might be the best foot game ever).
I've never played the wii version of PES. the controls seem very weird.

With the Wii version you play god, moving all the pieces as opposed to one at a time; it allows you to set up some beautiful runs, feints and create open space to pass to. However, in 08 you initiated the shot but didn't control it; it appears in 09 you do have control over placement and power.

It is a very different scheme, and takes some acclimation. Once accomplished, the level of control of off-ball movement really amplifies the feeling of accomplishment.

you went from "classic" PES on ps2 to the wii version ?
must be hell to lose the reflex and get used to the new controls !
Most of the times, when I play with someone who's not used to fifa and ask me how to do so and so, I'm quite unable to answer since it's almost all reflexes by now !

Yeah, my game dropped precipitously, and I'm not as good with the Wii as with PES5. However, I tried this years FIFA and was absolutely atrocious. I don't know if I want to learn yet another control scheme, and my disappointment/frustration with player spacing and off-ball movement just about kills it for me. Of course, if I didn't suck I'd probably have a better time.

i'd favour going back to an earlier version for precisely those reasons, but that feels kinda lazy.

yeah, going from PES' controls and gameplay to fifa's was pretty hard.
more generally, I have this problem with new games because I'm too lazy to learn all the controls...
sad, eh ?

main reason people fell into the FIFA vs PES argument would have been the 'can't be bothered to learn both' i'd say.

well, also you don't need to have the latest version of each at the same time. I don't think anybody plays both during the same period.
So, yeah, basically, you just play one and, in general, for these controls/gameplays habits reasons, people just pick the latest version of the one they already know.
now that I can play both, each year I just try to find out which one is the best and go with it till the following one.

The thing about the upcoming wii one that has me a bit worried is they've said it's going to have multiple control schemes, also allowing for the use of the classic controller (with traditional pro evo controls). It seems to me that is going to be hard to balance and could mess up the game. I do like the idea of what they tried last year, but feel like it wasn't quite there - in terms of control, there just wasn't enough where you actually felt like you were in control. Passing was so perfect though - so much better, and moving players off the ball was also a very nice addition. Still, it felt like a couple of steps forward and a couple of steps back at the same time?

I'm slightly concerned about the multiple controls myself, but if it allows for two player local then cool. Balancing must be addressed, obviously, but head to head I would think pointer control, esp. passing, would trump any classic control system.

My only real issue last year was defense, and from what I've read they've at least tried to address it. Additional shooting controls will be nice, too.

HI DERE CHINA CALL UP!!!111

after winning the treble two years in a row, being top scorer in europe and winning european best player, league best player, league assist king, world+europe+league best eleven, my talents are finally recognised by the china coach

got my ireland call up after three full seasons in attacking midfield for man united. i can see why our best players don't fucking bother anymore.

this is a shit awful game on PS2, buggy, no control over player half the time and just plain lazy. still play it more than any other though.

heh china has NO GOALKEEPER. basically if the opposition has a shot the ball goes in

have you managed to find a team that just hoofs it to fuck out of the back yet? when you find that team, stick with them, cos every shower i've been stuck with so far concedes 20+ goals a season with fannydanglin centre backs

Is this any good on the wii then? I was never any good at this on the PS2 anyway, despite buying a new one every two years so my flatmate could beat me, but I like the idea of putting my wii-character guy on the pitch.

Hi dere I Love Games, I've entered the 3rd generation or whatever side-generation the wii resides in.

I didn't get an Ireland call up even after scoring 30 goals for Barca in a season. Dunphy would be fucking raging.

oh, rilly? i got player of the tournament at the european championships, called up for my debut on the first match of them tournament proper.

maybe i'm keeping you out?

http://www.learningwaves.ie/images/news/Eamonn.jpg

"this fitzgerald lad for barcelona has scored 30 goals. he is a very great player. yet the birdbrains in charge of Irish soccer will not let the kid play."

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/bob.dunning/giles2.jpg

"he doesn't show enough moral courage for me, bill"

"no honesty of effort!"

ah this game still manages to hold my attention, for all of its needless flaws. i'm at man city now- moved from chelsea to united to city in 6 months. don't know how they sorted my registration out, but it's a joy to play for city relative to united.

honestly- they would only pass to ronaldo, and he always took a shot. lols for about ten minutes, but after three weeks of it i think i know why berbatov is in a sulk nowadays.

so i got this because i wanted to compare it to fifa09 which i borrowed recently.

is it me or is the ref a bit 'handy' with the cards?

it seems a bit twitchy in changing the controlling player at times, kind've annoying.

pressing Start to skip replays is hugely frustrating, what was wrong with just pressing X?

do the player graphics not get muddy after a while? seems visually rather boring.

in summary, yeah fifa was slightly better. but i'll probaly wait until fifa10 which will use 360 rotation (amazed that these games are still restricted to 8 way-directions)

is it me or is the ref a bit 'handy' with the cards?

ive only played this on a dozen occasions, but playing it on xbox live with my pal Sav one day he got a red card for a tackle where using the A button gentle tackle he tripped my player, in a non-threatening position and got red carded for it.

it seems a bit twitchy in changing the controlling player at times, kind've annoying.

I've found this to be the case with the last few PES (whatever the last one I played on the PS2 was, and the last couple on the 360). It infuriates me so much that I go manual on the player changes. Gets annoying when you pass to someone and it doesn't automatically swap your control to that guy, but at least then I only have myself to blame.

pressing Start to skip replays is hugely frustrating, what was wrong with just pressing X?

This pisses me off; some you can skip with start, others pressing start just brings up the pause menu. Really gets on my tits.

And, yeah, they dish out cars pretty loosely in this on. It's way to strict, particularly for a game with collision detection that is, on occasion, ropey.

That said, haven't played Fifa for years (probably '98 or RTTWC was the last time), so couldn't compare the too. I only really play PES these days when there's a group of us having drinks before heading out.

(amazed that these games are still restricted to 8 way-directions)

you me both. i haven't even bothered getting this for 360 since it doesn't have a decent d-pad.

they brought out a special new xbox pad with an "improved" d-pad. It was virtually the same and still shit.

fifa10 has 360 degree motion, thank finally

ah lads. what'm i gonna do?

this is awful. i'm in an awful spot.