bill simmons IS bill simmons IN the book of BASKETBALL

duncan as the best of his generation is pretty indisputable imo

Duncan = not of Kobe's era?

B/c -

Four rings with same team
Cycled through journeymen and made them better
Still in title contention with same team

Could also describe Kobe.

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan - also shaq was the best player on 3/4 of those teams

1 duncan
2 shaq
then kobe garnett et al

says the celts, fan get outta here

anyway duncan and kobe are apples n oranges

lol "celts fan, get"

as afar as know neither duncan or shaq are or have ever been on the celtics

fan, get as afar as know

In school, Duncan was a bright pupil and dreamt of becoming an Olympic-level swimmer like his sister, Tricia.[5][6] His parents were very supportive and Duncan excelled at swimming, becoming a teenage standout in the 50, 100 and 400 meters freestyle and aiming to make the 1992 Olympic Games as a member of the United States Team.[5]

When Hurricane Hugo destroyed the island's only Olympic-sized swimming pool in 1989, forcing Duncan to swim in the ocean, he soon lost enthusiasm because of his fear of sharks.[4]

this is why he's #1

also spurs teams with duncan on them have never won fewer than 53 games (lockout season excepted)

buddy sry kobe is not better than duncan

http://hillbilly10commandments.com/images/moses3.bmp

huh, i never really think about kobe v duncan.

like kobe used to get compared to his contemporaries like pierce, ray allen, carter, mcgrady, but now that it's clear that none of them are as good as he is, he tends to get compared to jordan and maybe lebron.

they're definitely the best of the nba players who emerged in the late '90s, and both of them started out on teams that were immediately successful, but in terms of position and temperament they're completely different.

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

bought this book today iirc. chapter one was great--plenty of lols and good writing.

bill simmons is sitting in with the commentators @ celtics/bulls rite now

not a good voice

never heard him before colbert, if anything douchier than advertised

haha ive heard him like 100x via podcasts and such, but yeah as much as i like dude he gets frattier every element of him you discover writing -> voice -> irl

yeah i don't mind reading him actually, lets you know where he stands and puts teeth into it. entertaining as far as it goes

i remember when he was on colbert a while back, he got booed when he made fun of clinton for throwing like a girl

yah its a tough comparison but i think if kobe goes on a run the next few years with a ring or two and consistent finals appearances before he starts to decline, we'll end up looking at the 08 lakers/celts series as the start of the post-timmy era...esp if TD doesn't get another ring before he retires. i tend to think that kobe's first three rings dont count quite as much *for him* in this kind of discussion because he wasn't the undisputed leader of those teams. even more so than points, stats, etc i think thats what simmons convinced me about-- even on the 99 team with robinson, it was absolutely td's team.

This is what is going to make the Western Conf. so interesting this year. They both have good teams and something to prove.

I can't imagine "something to prove" matters as much to Tim as it does to Kobes. I'm not trying to argue Duncan isn't driven or whatever, I just don't think he cares as much about what people think about him. (Tbf, he also doesn't have as much negativity to cope with.)

Yeah. That's probably a pretty fair assessment on both of them.

Have purchased. Have read the first 100 or so pages. Have learned a lot about Boston basketball. Woo, this guy is a HOMER.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/espns-simmons-says-86-celtics-better-than-96-bulls.html

What else would you expect from Bill Simmons? ESPN's "The Sports Guy" was in town on Monday promoting his lastest book, "The Book of Basketball," and told the Tribune's Luis Arroyave that it's no contest, the 1986 Celtics were better than the '96 Bulls.

"When Bill Wennington and Luc Longley are your two centers, you're instantly eliminated from being the best team ever," Simmons said.

No contest Robert Parish was a better center than Longley and Wennington. But using that logic, a Bulls fan could counter, no team with Danny Ainge as its shooting guard should ever be mentioned in the argument, since his Bulls counterpart was Michael Jordan.

Plus, Wennington was a backup. Does that mean Bulls fans can bring up Celtics backups Jerry Sichting and Greg Kite, whom the Boston Globe's Bob Ryan once called "the least talented player in the NBA."

Then again Jack Haley was on the '96 Bulls roster.

96 bulls greater than the sum of their parts imo. also 72 wins, gotdamn, ur move simmons.

I'm still pissed they got double-digit losses.they lost against at least one garbage team right near the end.

mj made $290K more than kukoc that season 0_o
their last 2 losses were against raptors (21-61) and hornets (41-41)

yeah jordan was like paid peanuts save for those last 2 years which were like 30 mil a year or something, right?

man do i wish he'd gone through with calling this book "tell me how my book tastes"

Xpost^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Either that title or "Black Men Can Jump." It would have been funny.

Now, look...I'm not a Boston fan. I wasn't when I didn't live in LA, and now I really hate them.

But Ainge back in the day? He was SO fast and really pesky as fuck on defense. I can't take away from him as a player. He wasn't MJ, of course, but the degrees of difference b/t him and MJ and Longley/Wennington v. Parish? No damn contest.

http://deadspin.com/5403430/you-are-not-the-cosmos-a-review-of-bill-simmons-book-of-basketball

i like pierce but there's a lot of bullshit in that review

he comes off with a serious case of U MAD? in that review imo

i've been entangled in a long email back & forth with my friend about simmons as sparked by that piece

pretty much hate this guy but i would like him more if he cut the pop culture/bro shit b/c he can make some interesting points. and sometimes i feel like reading his pieces is like reading [nabisco] on sports.

obv it's a takedown of simmons in the guise of a book review, but he is pretty accurate. dude is so in love with his own hit-or-miss shtick that the worthwhile content sometimes gets buired (xpost: ie what omar said)

altho i don't hate him, i kinda read around it

years of training have left me v. adept at ignoring the pop culture/bro shit.

it's pretty fucking funny for charles pierce to not recognize shtick as such since you know EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING when you read both him and simmons.

^^those 2 posts are exactly my response too

yeah i mean, everyone holds up simmons & vegas as like What is Wrong With Simmons (pretty proud of myself here) but shit, if you open that column you know what you're getting. same thing for his fantasy draft columns.

& i don't see why he shouldn't be in love with his own schtick, seeing as it's made him pretty damn popular and has endeared him to a huge fucking audience. and like cad says, it's pretty easy to skip his 580th teen wolf tangent

yeah i mean as a person who has no desire to go to vegas i actually find the vegas columns pretty entertaining as insight into something i will never do. a lot of the crit of simmons seems to be along the lines of "he only writes for people who are like him" which is only true if you just kind of reject a certain strain of dude lifestyle totally out of hand.

basically i say that he's the apatow movies of sportswriting - yeah other writers may make you think more or may be more impressive, but when it comes to big budget bang for your buck entertainment, it's hard to beat simmons

yeah i mean as a person who has no desire to go to vegas i actually find the vegas columns pretty entertaining as insight into something i will never do. a lot of the crit of simmons seems to be along the lines of "he only writes for people who are like him" which is only true if you just kind of reject a certain strain of dude lifestyle totally out of hand.
--omaha deserved 311 (call all destroyer)

yeah this

sort of shocked that a book abt basketball could be a #1 best seller

btw http://intothemusic.ca/images/uploads/covers/Bell_Chris_-_I_Am_The_Cosmos.jpg

<3 that album

TBH, I kind of treat Simmons as a guilty pleasure, and get a little embarassed when he comes up in conversations. I guess its because the Bill we see, who I doubt is what the real Bill Simmons is like regardless of how much he talks about his wife or his family, is one that is cultivated to attract people to read his discussions about sports.

His knowledge of sports, and in particular pro basketball, is pretty impressive, and he makes some interesting arguments and analyses of certain sports topics, but its all delivered with the pop culture references and bro-down stories that his core readership thrives on.

These are, of course, the same people who recite movie lines as jokes, and expect to therefore be regarded as funny.

he comes off with a serious case of U MAD? in that review imo

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i liked when i got to the end and see his credits that basically say I AM A BITTER RAGEFUL SPORTSWRITER

that seems a little harsh given the true monsters that populate our current era but whatev

look up his proud proclamation of 'pulling the goalie'

i mean yeah he's not trump/epstein/etc. but fuck him nevertheless

just looked that up, pretty messed up

that being said, my sense as a longtime reader/listener is that he’s mellowed out significantly over time. there’s still some bulkshit of course. the union stuff is unfortunate, though bosses be bossing. as someone who organizes in his free time I don’t love that. and the chatgpt stuff is pretty depressing. but overall he’s toned it down over the years.

reggae mike love (polyphonic) at 3:31 2 Sep 26

He wore an Anduril hat on one of his shows the other day

every day i learn about a new thing that sucks

haha same

gotta keep up on yr b-list silicon valley fascists

dude's whole thing was 'he's just like us!' but that involved the 'us' of white gen-xers 25 years ago

he did some good stuff! 30 for 30 was interesting for a bit, grantland was cool apart from driving trans people to suicide, ringer has had some decent things amidst the rampant nepotism and complete sell-out to gambling interests

but then he started to think he actually knew more than people who were much smarter than he is

at heart he's just a guy who loves going to las vegas -- the fakest place in the world -- and watching gonzo porn. and apparently we've moved on to sleeveless former punters for that viewpoint

not disagreeing just pointing out all of sports media has sold out to gambling interests

tru

at heart he's just a guy who loves going to las vegas -- the fakest place in the world -- and watching gonzo porn. and apparently we've moved on to sleeveless former punters for that viewpoint

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yeah i mean he’s a rich guy

yeah i mean he's an asshole

I mean, if he’s an asshole, then what’s Dave Portnoy?

a bigger asshole?

we don't have to set the bar for assholery at 'dave portnoy'

I always thought of it as a binary thing, not degrees!

xxxp slight edit:

not disagreeing just pointing out all of sports media has sold out to gambling interests

he's at least capable of doing something interesting every now and then, McAfee's whole persona is wahh waah everyone hates me for who I am and Portnoy is just a dumb bitch through and through, with Simmons there's at least some degree of internal monologue going on and maybe even a little reflection. though based on everything that I'm hearing about him now is brain may be cooked for good

imo simmons is good at what he does, its not really something that im interested in but credit where its due hes a pro

I am not a huge Simmons fan but he's not even in the same realm as Portnoy or McAfee

portnoy is a legitimately malevolent entity, mcafee is a just a generic blowhard chud

did not know he was a punter btw thats hilarious

right wing sports talk punter with a giant chip on his shoulder hey its the shittiest possible thing lol, also he raps

sharpling spent about 20 minutes listening to the pat mcafee album, was very vintage best show stuff lol

I just got to the Hank part listening to the AFC over/unders. So funny. So, didn't get Hank's account "actioned" , but his own. Yeah, someone needs to teach him about VPN. I'm fairly sure he's read ads for them, but I'm sure he isn't drinking Michelob Light, or eating Subway either.

pains me to acknowledge that mcafee is a pittsburgh kid . . . but also that totally tracks

as does his having gone to wvu lol