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theyre not that good!

they're 7th by net rating and 8th by point differential \(o_O)/

+1.9, wow

.3 ahead of the powerhouse indiana pacers

they're one of 4 teams that wouldn't shock me if they won the East, so I'd call them "good"

+1.9, wow

― lag∞n, Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:15 PM (three seconds ago) Bookmark

so you'd say there's what... 4 good teams in the NBA?

jordan stop being obtuse this second, theyre bunched up in the standings whichever way you want to slice it with a bunch of other okay teams

Goon's definitions of 'good' and 'bad' are very different than others, is what I've gathered. He's referred to klay as 'bad' many times so I now read his 'bad' as 'very good but dont want to praise'. Helps his posts make a lot more sense.

what ive always said klay was good, im the big klay guy around here

anyway i think ive been pretty clear and am actually the only one here who has said anything of substance about the philadelphia basketball team

i think they are good not great and will lose in the first round. but they will get better. I worry that simmons could go the way of michael carter williams. embiid health concerns are very real tho and imo that makes their window smaller and sooner than a normal young team arch. Like his prime is gonna be 24-27 not 26-30. Fultz the big question mark here obv.

they need a klay type player imo

i guess reddick is filling that role rn but feels like they need a lil more firepower

they should be able to lure talent like reddick in the future.

reddick is doing a ton for them this year they def need to fill that role on a more permanent basis

Ever since covingtons finger injury he hasnt been the same

they need someone a bit better than him is what I'm saying. klay, mccollum, that sort of tier of shooting guard

the whole composition of the team is just kinda weird and janky, they shd trade all their dudes except for simmons for more draft picks, the decision pt 2

well everyone needs that but cant afford it, those are max players. xp

the thing about the sixers and whether they're good or not is.....it's embiid. it's all embiid. they're bad when he is off the court. i think you have to project a bunch of things to figure out how they become elite from here, because at the moment they're only pretty good and that's entirely because of one very large very injury-prone dude.

i keep seeing talk of him getting defensive player of the year

that's why i think they need another all star level player to be a real contender

the sixers starting line up of simmons-redick-covington-saric-embiid has a net rating of 18.8 in almost 500 minutes, there's very few lineup combos across the NBA that compare to that in a similar amount of minutes. their bench depth is shaky and inexperience will prob flare up in the offs this year but their core group smokes people, it is what it is

right now they'd match up w/ the cavs in the playoffs and will lose but they just blew them out in cleveland like 3 days ago and there's no one on cleveland who has even a prayer of guarding embiid

series would be good but bron would win out yea

the sixers starting line up of simmons-redick-covington-saric-embiid has a net rating of 18.8 in almost 500 minutes, there's very few lineup combos across the NBA that compare to that in a similar amount of minutes. their bench depth is shaky and inexperience will prob flare up in the offs this year but their core group smokes people, it is what it is

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:37 PM (fifty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they run past sleepy teams and generally do a lot of weird shit that wont play against a prepared good playoff teams, it might not really be what it is, not to mention redick is prob gone after this year and convington just had a weird hot streak

i mean what happens when all those weird running hooks simmons takes are pushed a couple steps further out

what they want to do is get that matchup with the pacers

that line up just makes a lot of sense on paper to me. on offense you have two elite shooters (saric for his size anyway) and embiid is unstoppable. i don't personally buy the logic that all of a sudden ben simmons will be exposed in the playoffs as if teams are just letting him score now for fun. i buy into his sheer talent & understanding of the game regardless of his shooting, he's a special player... rondo was good in the playoffs and straight up took over some games for instance. and covington is a pretty good 3 and D guy, several teams especially in the east have worse 5th players. and that line up has been good defensively too, they should be able to switch just fine.

they will def have that problem where it feels like they're hanging on for dear life when embiid is sitting but for a team whose three best players are all 23 and younger that's a pretty ok place to be?

simmons is def a special player but playing very tall guys who cant shoot at all as yr primary ballhandler, well theres a good reason you dont see it a lot, and maybe he can overcome these fit issue but it is very much a situation where he has to overcome them, whereas if you had a team whos construction could accommodate a tall non shooter that wld be easier and simpler, long term youd assume theyll play fultz at the 1 then have a three man front court rotation with embiid/simmons/saric, the embiis/simmons fit isnt totally ideal cause of the lack of shooting but theyre both so good that it'll still be doable, obvs a lot depends on fultz coming around, anyway circling back to my original point they have a ton of talent but theres also a ton of question marks, way more so than most talented young teams, like its not hard to game out all of that stuff working out for them, but also thats not usually how it happens

i really think simmons cld be amazing at center btw, in transition where hes by far the most dangerous at this point he can still handle the ball and just be a positionless guy, then in the halfcourt you play four out and put him in all sorts of actions facing up posting up coming off screens and let him attack the basket and create slice up the defense with his passing hed still be a major ballhandler but just not really operating on the perimeter where he has to deal with the fact that defenders can play off him, hes shown signs that he can be a really good interior defender too, and the fit with saric who can shoot is good, but of course phillys best player is already a center

the thought of most centers attempting to guard him is ludicrous

i think they are good not great and will lose in the first round. but they will get better. I worry that simmons could go the way of michael carter williams. embiid health concerns are very real tho and imo that makes their window smaller and sooner than a normal young team arch. Like his prime is gonna be 24-27 not 26-30. Fultz the big question mark here obv.

mirrors my thoughts. Criticism of Embiid upthread are typical ones of just about any young player.

def its not unlikely that embiids game matures as he does, but there are lots of young players who you dont have to ask that question about, also imo he plays notably undisciplined ball even compared to his contemporaries, and his personality which is very charming online is very much in line with that too, both on court and off he doesnt come off like a very serious person, which is all fine and good in life but isnt the best predictor of nba success

any comparison between simmons and MCW is insane... not all non-shooters are created equally

the sixers are already actually good tho

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, March 6, 2018 11:07 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they have four less wins in a much easier conference tho hmmm quite perplexing

that's like saying buddy hield could go the way of ray allen

and embiids style of free wheeling play is def not the best for someone w his injury history, he shd at least try to drop some weight or something

well the t wolves are good too? i'm not sure what we're actually arguing here

the twolves were good for like 15 games

you were good for like 15 games

ill take it

both on court and off he doesnt come off like a very serious person, which is all fine and good in life but isnt the best predictor of nba success

I hear ya. But he strikes me as someone that has a healthy amount of devil-may-careness, where it leads to a healthier mindset and makes one an easier guy to play with. He seems to have a competitive drive w/o being psycho about it iow. Could be wrong tho, it's def a fine line between "has good perspective" and "doesn't play with heart".

you could also look at the t wolves as being legitimately good once the team had figured each other out for a bit

they were def coming on bigtime but then jimmy went down

there is def something boogie-ish about the way embiid plays on offense... like he's essentially unstoppable and knows it and so he has a lot of leeway to do whatever he wants basically which leads to more missed threes and turnovers and ill advised drives than you would like. but i feel like that's a pretty minor issue all things considered.

I hear ya. But he strikes me as someone that has a healthy amount of devil-may-careness, where it leads to a healthier mindset and makes one an easier guy to play with. He seems to have a competitive drive w/o being psycho about it iow. Could be wrong tho, it's def a fine line between "has good perspective" and "doesn't play with heart".

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:38 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hes def competitive in game and likes playing basketball and owning his opponents which isnt nothing, just seems to have a laissez faire attitude towards a lot of the other stuff you need to improve, also lol i wonder if hes not going to alienate a potential free agent w all his online shit talk

don't think I can accurately judge him wrt "disciplined game" or things of that nature until see him in playoffs.

there is def something boogie-ish about the way embiid plays on offense... like he's essentially unstoppable and knows it and so he has a lot of leeway to do whatever he wants basically which leads to more missed threes and turnovers and ill advised drives than you would like. but i feel like that's a pretty minor issue all things considered.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:42 PM (twenty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but in order to live up to his potential which is absolutely mvp level he has to get serious about that stuff, also it wld help to protect his health