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I love AI but Tiny Archibald showed little guys could be dominant scorers. Led the league in 72-73 in shots made, shots attempted, free throws made, free throws attempted, assists and scoring. What AI did was change the cultural resonance of the NBA and got them to eliminate carrying violations.

As one of the resident old farts, the players I'd add to m bison's list are Larry Bird, Kareem, and Hakeem. All were players you had to scheme for or they'd crush you, and while singular talents they all changed what people thought possible.

That ESPN didn't talk about the Lew Alcindor rule (no dunks in the NCAA) or the NBA widening the key to deal with Wilt's dominance was dumb.

these sorts of lists are always destined to just devolve into arguments for who was better lol just run all-time NBArank every year my basic ass would read it for sure

thank u ez snappin for making snapping easier and providing historical analysis

I'm an old man yelling at hoop clouds

Good list bison. Ez otm about iverson.

Manu influential for sure, might add Vlade too?

Rodman too. Showed you can dominate without scoring.

vlade = passing big man, euro pioneer?
i guess there were quite a few rebound and defend and little offense players after him i.e. reggie evans and i guess deandre jordan

don't forget Ben Wallace

can someone plz explain to me why the eurostep is...euro? is it not something that was already in the game?

i'll take my answer off the air, thx

Ben Wallace and even draymo to an extent

euro step is changing direction on your second step after youve picked up your dribble. most american players would plow straight aheadwith their two steps, but manu showed the world how u 1-2 step through the defense to make points and sick passes

yessss ben wallace, how soon i forget

thx u ilh hoops mod

towns w a wolves record tonight, dang

Kat wow

Fun jazz celts game. Tied with under a min

Wow Celtics stole this one

Celts are really having a blessed season

on some level yes but on the other hand their two best players are injured

euro step is changing direction on your second step after youve picked up your dribble. most american players would plow straight aheadwith their two steps, but manu showed the world how u 1-2 step through the defense to make points and sick passes

― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love how manu is a. not euro and b. not the 1st nba player to have the euro step in his arsenal but is none the less c. undisputedly the euro step godfather

i always think nick van exel influenced nash to shoot 3s with no conscience when they were mavs together

ha good shout out.

was thinking more about this earlier and another name that came to mind was Sam Perkins, was he the first center to hoist? dude gave the 2nd half of his career a real boost w the hoisting,

pretty sure my dying words will be "the history of the nba would be radically different had sabonis come over in his mid-20's"

good last words

it's early yet, but harden may join that list for his extreme threes/rim/foul shots scoring distribution

Dude what happened to Sam after 91-92?? That's crazy. Though the one 3 I remember of his was game 1 of the '91 Finals.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/perkisa01.html

did AI get the league to remove the hand check rules too?

him getting to the rack so consistently in a. that super physical era while b. being so slight and c. on a team with no other threats is an underrated accomplishment

always thought pound for pound, inch for inch, he was the best I've ever seen

Hand check rule changed in 2004 so not directly an AI thing.

that game 1 win in the 2001 finals against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers was one of the best things I've ever seen.

greatest game i've ever seen (well listened to on a tiny contraband radio but still)

Yeah on a size adjusted basis ai is like almost indisputably one of the best players ever

Once in a while I think about what he could do if you teleported him into today, p sure he would lead the league in scoring and it wouldn’t be close

I mean he did it four times anyway (!!!) in a hand check era and with no talent around him, bet he could average 40 now

i love how manu is a. not euro and b. not the 1st nba player to have the euro step in his arsenal but is none the less c. undisputedly the euro step godfather

― lag∞n, Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:37 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

All hilarious

I also have very specific memories of highlight packages breaking down his eurostep in slow mo and explaining how it works and how it’s not a travel popping up every time there was a big game especially in the playoffs the first few years of manus prominence

but he was a subpar 3pt shooter and that could limit is scoring in a post-Thibs defensive schemes era

Yahoo Sports story: McDonald’s All-American Darius Bazley decommits at Syracuse, becomes first top high school prospect to choose turning professional in the NBA G League. https://t.co/aM7VW2GF9M

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) March 29, 2018

crazy

wonder if the college payola has dried with all this legal/media exposure

some kids/families may not need/want it and/or want to play it straight maybe?

yeah i guess if you were strictly focusing on basketball development the g league wld be the way to go

also once u do that i guess u have access to getting money via signing with an agent/sneaker company/etc

presumably this will shuffle some big coaching talent to the g league pr quick

xp plus a basic g league salary. was listening to the open floor pod and ben golliver brought up some good points. basically the g league competition is much better than college (like dudes with fully formed bodies, etc) so these top prospects might just kind of blend in and may not dominate/stand out like they could in college + there's no exposure as currently constructed. I think this is a cool first step but they need to bring a lot more to the table if they are gonna convince kids to skip the opportunities that come from college ball.

but if the nba is gonna strike there's never been a better time

yeah suspect itll end up resembling a true minor league, like the nba will let teams draft hs kids again and they can use the g league to develop them if theyre not ready for the bigs

Sixers announce Joel Embiid will undergo surgery to repair an orbital fracture in his left eye. Timetable TBD.

— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) March 29, 2018

Pending the results of surgery, Embiid could return to play in 2-4 weeks, per league source. First round obviously in some jeopardy.

— Zach Lowe (@ZachLowe_NBA) March 30, 2018

sixers cooked if joel doesnt play in the 1st round

this is also bad for the celtics hopes of getting on the other side of the east bracket from bron

We’re gonna get masked embiid for the offs

yeesh stupid fultz just smacked him in the face

fultz shoulder kept him out almost the whole season now its got embiid out for the rest