lmao
― lag∞n, Thursday, 18 November 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link
if jokic's game was more thuggish, they could cast him as a heel but he plays so beautifully and crisply and lumberingly there's such cognitive disconnect. it's like watching a giant sloth do close up magic. he's unique.
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:08 (two years ago) link
they should market him as "the joker" and when he makes a crazy pass be all "that was severely twisted only the mind of a lunatic could even think of such a thing" get him to ham it up a bit make crazy eyes into the camera
― lag∞n, Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:11 (two years ago) link
he should also dropkick the ball into the stands every few games
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link
the joker movie came out like 2 years ago it's an egregious missed opportunity
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:38 (two years ago) link
btw would any brave souls still make an argument for any of the other 3 in this poll?
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:33 (two years ago) link
I might argue that a 100% embiid over ten years would be competitive with a 100% joker over ten years if we’re talking about who you want to build a franchise around, but I would be surprised if Embiid is anything other than a bench option even five years from now the way he is deteriorating. Slim jokic is the movement
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link
I would just like to point out that I have been otm itt
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:16 (two years ago) link
this thread would be your magnum opus if only you could delete that one double post in your moment of weakness
it’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglinkit’s fuckin embiid btw― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― k3vin k., Wednesday, April 18, 2018 7:20 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
it’s fuckin embiid btw
― Spottie, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
once again I implore the good folks of the jury to recognize the immense pressure visited on me by my peers and also the fact that embiid was in the middle of a really nice run at the time
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:27 (two years ago) link
i wanna vote for ben simmons― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:19 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, December 26, 2017 1:19 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink
jordan really went hard for ben for a while
― Spottie, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link
i think KAT could have something to say here if he ever gets out of minnesota
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:12 (two years ago) link
simmons never got better in three years, possibly got worse. hard to do
if you put bam on this list you'd at least have one guy who has played in an nba finals, food for thought
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:17 (two years ago) link
and if you put giannis in here you wouldn't even have a conversation
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, November 18, 2021 8:17 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
bye troll
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 01:39 (two years ago) link
giannis was explicitly excluded for being too advanced
zinger being on here speaks to a more innocent time
― Clay, Friday, 19 November 2021 01:45 (two years ago) link
zinger came out that season on fire made the allstar team then tore his acl rip
― lag∞n, Friday, 19 November 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link
what they don’t want you to know about porzingis is he’s had the exact same stats every year since then perhaps even has been better but was so overrated that year it’s skewed everyone’s perception of him
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 November 2021 02:00 (two years ago) link
I mean you expect young bigs to get better in their mid 20s and he just didn’t
― Spottie, Friday, 19 November 2021 02:12 (two years ago) link
the thing with zinger was that he had the promise of being an elite floor stretcher on offense and an elite rim protector on defense. there still is basically no one in the NBA who has that skill set. some are close in various ways but an exponential arc in his game back from his healthy knicks days would have made him a unicorn, like KAT crossed with roy hibbert or something. alas he can still shoot bcuz he’s so tall but the injuries robbed him of all defensive value, and also he keeps getting hurt.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 02:51 (two years ago) link
also it’s insane no one ever made him figure out a way to score over 6’ 6” guys in the post, just completely inexcusable
― J0rdan S., Friday, 19 November 2021 02:53 (two years ago) link
Zinger still looks the most like an actual unicorn out there, like he just doesn’t make sense by the laws of physics and human anatomy. But I guess maybe that’s why he can’t stay healthy…
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 20 November 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link
yeah zinger couldve been an alltimer but the human body just isnt designed to be 7-3
― lag∞n, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:23 (two years ago) link
just some fun comparing big dudes. through first 8 seasons, per 36 minutes
player A: 23.2 pts, 10.1 reb, 4.9 ast, 1.3 stl, 1.4 blk; .532/.287/.717, .600 ts%, 23.7 PER; 2 MVPs, 1 DPOY, 1 championship
player B: 24.8 pts, 6.4 reb, 6.2 ast, 1.5 stl, 0.8 blk; .479/.329/.744, .566 ts%, 26.9 PER; 2 MVPs, 0 DPOY, 0 championships
player C: 23.5 pts, 12.2 reb, 7.5 ast, 1.4 stl, 0.8 ast; .546/.344/.827, .625 ts%, 27.4 PER; 2 MVPs, 0 DPOY, 0 championships
player D: 30.2 pts, 12.9 reb, 3.9 ast, 1.0 stl, 1.9 blk; .492/.338/.814, .604 ts%, 27.3 PER; 0 MVPs, 0 DPOY, 0 championships
player E: 21.2 pts, 11.4 reb, 2.9 ast, 0.7 stl, 2.4 blk; .507/.194/.692, .554 ts%, 25.3 PER; 2 MVPs, 0 DPOY, 2 championships
player F: 26.2 pts, 11.8 reb, 2.6 ast, 0.7 stl, 2.6 blk; .577/.059/.534, .583 ts%, 27.9 PER; 1 MVP, 0 DPOY, 1 championship
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 December 2022 18:09 (one year ago) link
without looking this up...a - giannisb - c -d - embiide - duncanf - shaq
i am stumped on b and c bc i know one of them is jokic and i cant figure out the other.
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Saturday, 24 December 2022 20:44 (one year ago) link
(ok i looked it up, lol at making player b a big, feels like thats misleading!!!!!!)
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Saturday, 24 December 2022 20:50 (one year ago) link
just giving a little context, careers take different shapes, have evolutions and so forth :)
merry christmas ILH!
― k3vin k., Saturday, 24 December 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link
C is Jokic, right? No historical big would shoot 3s like that.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 25 December 2022 02:29 (one year ago) link
xp to kevin, that is true however player b has played literally every position more minutes than the center position in his career including PG and i object
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Sunday, 25 December 2022 03:31 (one year ago) link
okay i figured it out and kevin is a con artist of the highest order, i salute his work
― Clay, Sunday, 25 December 2022 03:52 (one year ago) link
it’s not supposed to be a con! just showcasing some of the best to do it the last 25 years or so
― k3vin k., Sunday, 25 December 2022 04:05 (one year ago) link
who is it
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 December 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link
This has been bugging me since last night. I've thought I had a it a couple times.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 25 December 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link
i looked at the list of multiple mvp winners and it doesnt seem like its any of them unless its dr j in the aba or some shit but im not about to try to figure that out
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:00 (one year ago) link
oh i missed the per 36 part
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 December 2022 17:15 (one year ago) link
dont need to go back that far for things of this nature
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Sunday, 25 December 2022 18:05 (one year ago) link
I'm not about to figure out per 36 myself, but Lebron played a ton of minutes his first eight years, so his numbers are going to look a little weird. Is Lebron B?
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link
yes
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:18 (one year ago) link
basketball reference has the per 36 stats fwiw
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:19 (one year ago) link
I know, but I'm being lazy.
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:48 (one year ago) link
yeah I did per 36 because lebron averaged 39.9 mins a game his first 8 seasons which even though it’s documented and I watched a lot of it I still can’t really believe
― k3vin k., Sunday, 25 December 2022 21:22 (one year ago) link
Fun comparison!
― The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 25 December 2022 21:42 (one year ago) link
printing this thread out and plastering it all over my walls
― k3vin k., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link
i definitely voted for jokic here even though there's no proof
― ciderpress, Sunday, October 28, 2018 11:30 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ciderpress, Monday, 15 May 2023 22:14 (one year ago) link
btw because I started this thread no one is allowed to quote my post where I said the answer was embiid, that never happened
― k3vin k., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:28 (one year ago) link
if we get jokic vs tatum in the finals it could end up being a really interesting data point in a larger positional value debate
even putting embiid's specific issues aside i think we just saw in this series why ppl think wings > bigs, generally speaking, given what tatum was able to do at the end of game 6 & his overall performance in game 7
i don't think that tatum necessarily showed that he's better than embiid in that series, tho he might be, just that he often shows (when he is on) why his archetype of player is the most sought after in the league, even if he also kinda leaves something to be desired when compared to, like, peak kawhi or whatever
i've thought since last playoffs that even tho he was not the best player in any series after round 1 i'd prob take tatum over any player in the league aside from giannis bcuz of the position he plays. but if jokic knocks everyone out including a boston team that would have the best ability of any team left to test him defensively, then he may be the true hoops unicorn of them all
― J0rdan S., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:52 (one year ago) link
tatum is a great player man but I mean, as you alluded to, he’s sort of an ersatz lebron/kawhi archetype you’re referring to. his specific value is in no small part thanks to playing on a very deep switchy team on which he happens to be the best player. imo…
I will wait a month or so (winky face) to post my giannis thoughts but the short version is he’s a big toe and a couple of really hot nights at the free throw line away from being perceived quite differently…
― k3vin k., Monday, 15 May 2023 22:59 (one year ago) link
his specific value is in no small part thanks to playing on a very deep switchy team on which he happens to be the best player. imo…
he has a well built roster around him but his specific value is in being able to get a shot off against any player in the league at the end of a series deciding playoff game, and having the ability to make them. or perhaps more generally what we saw yesterday or in game 6 vs milwaukee last year where he is a very specific type of unguardable offensive fulcrum who also can't easily be exploited on defense bcuz he's pretty good at 6' 9"
this is true although he's at a level where the staying power of one title will only last so long. he's probably out of the grace period now, quite frankly. the expectation for the next 2-3 years, regardless of what else happens w/ the bucks' roster, is that we'll see them in the finals again at least once at minimum. and if he doesn't win another one it will in all likelihood result in lots of ppl having more explicit conversations along the lines of what you just said about him. and look if jokic or tatum win it this year they'll be on the same clock too. that's the game. but certainly giannis getting the first has helped, and you could argue it was a funky title! the nets were hurt, the hawks were a paper tiger, all 4 bubble conference finals teams were evidently sapped of energy. so we'll see, lots of chapters still left to be written for these guys (except maybe embiid...)
― J0rdan S., Monday, 15 May 2023 23:19 (one year ago) link