it is really something how well they play together. they got a good coach over there.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 April 2023 17:13 (one year ago) link
yeah players seem happy too even through a big tank
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link
just seems like a good org presti obvs has the touch and daigneault is homegrown, big flaw is that theyre a small market team unwilling to pay the tax or at least that was the case last time around
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link
i mean ingram missed half the season, zion 2/3 of the season and doesnt want to play and nance/alvarado were hurt for the play in. I think herb and murphy are good and still growing.
― Spottie, Thursday, April 13, 2023 3:02 AM (nine hours ago)
paying $101 million next year for three guys who are never on the floor at the same time. throw in another $10m for larry nance who also never plays. i guess you can say there is upside there based on the first few weeks of this season... but it's looking pretty bad!
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 17:58 (one year ago) link
xp yeah usually i'm skeptical of org quality but it seems real in okc, the vets who pass through always rave about how they're treated and how everything is set up which in turn prob gets a lot of goodwill with agents. it's a decent shield against tanking affecting morale.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:01 (one year ago) link
i'm stealing this stat from one of the podcasts but the pelicans have had 4 years of ingram & zion together and their finishes in the west are 13, 11, 8, and 10th. i guess you can say they're moving up lol?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:05 (one year ago) link
i'm astounded that ppl in the national media continue to advance the narrative that the pelicans pushed the suns to the brink in the first round last year, and thus are a latent "contender" or whatever. it's so bogus
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:07 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 13, 2023 1:46 PM (twenty-one minutes ago)
big flaw is that they had kevin durant russell westbrook james harden & serge ibaka on their team and made the NBA finals one time cuz sam presti put a roster from the stone age around them. but maybe his ability to identify & develop role players has changed...
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:11 (one year ago) link
does anyone remember that 39 year old derek fisher averaged 26 mpg for OKC in the 12-13 finals
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link
xxp i was thinking about your "is david griffin bad again?" post and idk, they have unquestionably collected a lot of talent but so much of it is in the form of one-way players....they need to turn it into a real team. and right now they have no idea if that real team can include zion or not.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link
and then averaged 16 mpg in the playoffs the next year while shooting 31/29 shooting splits xp to myself
i'm kinda trolling but i actually do think presti should have to answer to the hague about what happened between the years of 2010 and 2018 in okc
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:18 (one year ago) link
― call all destroyer, Thursday, April 13, 2023 2:14 PM (three minutes ago)
i was kinda genuinely asking bcuz there was this huge whiplash in the national media NBA punditry world about how griffin was maybe gonna lose his job, but then they were the breakout stars of the playoffs & had built a contender, and now they got bounced out of the playoffs by a tanking team. so i'm curious like... what the temperature is gonna be on this one. keeping in mind of course that griffin appears to be one of, if not the, most popular/connected GM w/in the media, who all call him "griff"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link
yeah i get it, i think it's an interesting question and not one with a clear answer. i never considered them a contender myself but in theory they have a path to get there
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:22 (one year ago) link
i think he'll be shielded by the teams injuries yet again. but yeah 4 years of those guys and nothing to show for it is not good. i guess give it one more shot idk
― Spottie, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
i mean they kinda have no choice
well, ingram still prob has real trade value. but feel like they won't be doing that
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link
lakers pick swap really didn't end up working out for them either
― symsymsym, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:36 (one year ago) link
would any one of us have NOT drafted Zion with the first overall pick? obv the pels get a free pass on making that pick. what's hard to say how much better a different team would have managed his injury issues since then. a lot of rehab outcomes are down to how the player handles them.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:39 (one year ago) link
yeah he was the only pick to make given the upside but some of the bigger concerns about him have come to fruition. the underrated one is how long it seems to take him to recover and ramp up, that's not going to get better.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:46 (one year ago) link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, April 13, 2023 2:11 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
tbf they made the finals as a very young team had injuries then lost a squeaker to the warriors and that was it, if you wanted to take issue with prestis roster construction choosing russ over harden was his biggest offense, still quite obviously an absolute master of the craft tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link
"Went 18/36, it had to have an affect."Scottie Barnes heard DeMar's daughter yelling pic.twitter.com/wQ2lRT8Z9B— Yahoo Sports Canada (@YahooCASports) April 13, 2023
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link
amazing lol
― Spottie, Thursday, 13 April 2023 19:04 (one year ago) link
would any one of us have NOT drafted Zion with the first overall pick?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 14 April 2023
i was a pretty big zion skeptic at the time but it wasnt a view that was widely shared.
you don't want to understate how hard it is to build a contender as a small market team, and when it starts with the klutch mafia conspiring to steal your best player well it is going to be an uphill battle
― micah, Thursday, 13 April 2023 19:13 (one year ago) link
I was a Ja guy instead of a Zion guy because I'm a contrarian. Per the other thread, that take hasn't aged well either, for other reasons.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Thursday, 13 April 2023 19:54 (one year ago) link
amongst the nba hardcore the consensus on zion was a potential mvp with extremely high injury risk but you gotta take the chance, if people had known how good ja would be that risk mightve been enough to push him to 1 idk
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:09 (one year ago) link
peak healthy zion has also generally confirmed the belief that he was is that good when not injured, so it's not like it was a crazy take
i think i'd still take a 100% healthy zion over a 100% healthy ja
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link
(but the injuries exist and it looks like he's never going to be 100% for more than stretches so obv ja should have been the choice)
crazy thing is i dont think weve ever seen close to full power zion, and sadly prob never will
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:14 (one year ago) link
and hes still been dominant when hes played
on offense with the ball in his hands yes
― Spottie, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:16 (one year ago) link
its honestly good enough which is crazy but without the injury history and worries he prob wouldve been out there moving around a lil more
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:20 (one year ago) link
"We've got to be available. We've got to do what we need to do off the court in terms of preparation, in terms of getting treatment, in terms of getting the right sleep, the right type of hydration, having the right type of diet."- CJ McCollum after Pelicans play-in loss pic.twitter.com/VkrCcAcIUN— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) April 13, 2023
― Spottie, Thursday, 13 April 2023 21:04 (one year ago) link
its true hydration is important
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 21:05 (one year ago) link
“gentle reminder to drink water”— cj mccollum
― Clay, Thursday, 13 April 2023 21:17 (one year ago) link
Tbf, if I was a millionaire living in New Orleans my diet would be terrible
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 13 April 2023 22:15 (one year ago) link
ok i want jokic to get it again
“A lot has been said, and a lot of people haven’t been happy about how the whole thing has been going on, about how people keep bashing each other and all that stuff. Where was all that [sympathy for me]? People kept bashing me the last two seasons, putting me down. But now other… pic.twitter.com/Z7QHqSJ1bu— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) April 13, 2023
― Spottie, Thursday, 13 April 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, April 13, 2023 4:09 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
and the consensus was more or less right, tbh I would still probably take zion’s next 5 years over ja’s even considering injury risk. zion is already knocking on the door of being an elite elite dude it’s just a matter of staying on the floor. I’m much lower on ja than the consensus but to me he’s like an evolved derrick rose, a really good player but overvalued as a max guy imho
― k3vin k., Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link
lol embiid is such a baby
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:08 (one year ago) link
it’s only because I have a soft spot for philly that I don’t completely hate him. had a long talk with my dad last night that I was going to have to root against them in the first round it pains me to have to do it
― k3vin k., Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link
I'm not going to defend Embiid - he obviously wants an MVP very badly - I just want him to shut up about it after he wins.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 14 April 2023 00:06 (one year ago) link
i want embiid to get it because i don't want to hear him talk about it for the rest of my life if he doesn't
― Clay, Friday, 14 April 2023 00:12 (one year ago) link
yes. also just worry about having energy in the 4th quarter of a tight game 6 or 7 coming up.
― Spottie, Friday, 14 April 2023 01:24 (one year ago) link
https://theathletic.com/4408252/2023/04/14/nba-playoff-preview-celtics-bucks-nuggets-grizzlies/?source=user_shared_article
hollinger picks the ILH bowl celtics vs nuggets
― k3vin k., Friday, 14 April 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
lets do this
― lag∞n, Friday, 14 April 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link
strus has remembered how to shoot
― lag∞n, Friday, 14 April 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link
miami has 12 points "all strus"
― lag∞n, Friday, 14 April 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link
23 point strus half
― lag∞n, Saturday, 15 April 2023 00:06 (one year ago) link
This is shaping up to be a good finish. Hasn't been more than a couple points either way since I started watching in the 2nd.
― This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Saturday, 15 April 2023 01:16 (one year ago) link
its strus world baby
― lag∞n, Saturday, 15 April 2023 01:28 (one year ago) link
strus time