stashing assets for the 2023 nba offseason

This is so crazy now pic.twitter.com/yHfvjnVvYR

— Dom2K 🌊🏖 (@Dom_2k) May 2, 2023

really wondering if shams overstepped with the 'under any circumstances' part. it doesn't appear to be a direct quote

i can't recall any team in any sport ever saying such a thing? even trevor bauer got a much more anodyne statement

lol absolute ethering by draymond

his on-court production is not worth a big contract anyway!

― ciderpress, Tuesday, May 2, 2023 2:27 PM (forty-five minutes ago)

it depends on what you mean by "big" but he was prob in line to get something between a 4/60 and 4/80 contract, very standard rotation wing role player who hits FA money. at this point it feels like him getting even half of the 60 would be a surprise

At the end of the day, Dillon Brooks wants a bigger role, and the Grizzlies can't offer that.

DB on Sunday: "I was just there to three-and-D, shoot and play defense. I got way more to my game than that."

My story on how the two sides came to a split. https://t.co/OYXTAeyMQC

— Damichael Cole (@DamichaelC) May 2, 2023

someone should show him his stats

they say its not boasting if you can back it up. conclusion: he's boasting.

oh my god that draymond video lmaooooooooooo

it was brutal at the time but now its apocalyptic

surprised/disappointed that no one in the comments put it over the ether beat yet

how did I never see that draymond video!!!

someone should show him his stats

― lag∞n, Tuesday, May 2, 2023 3:27 PM (five hours ago) bookmark

ts%: 7th percentile
3 pt shooting: 27th percentile
defensive rebound rate: 12th percentile
assist rate: 52nd percentile

he’s been 97th and 95th %ile in defensive EPM the past 2 seasons but is in the bottom half of the league in steals and blocks. he’s got a ton of motor but there is basically nothing in his foundational stats to suggest he has any real skills to build on…the grizzlies (and likely any other contending team) realize his contract is going to be underwater the minute the ink is dry

Had new Suns owner Mat Ishbia on my pod and asked him about his rivalry with Cavs owner Dan Gilbert. Put it this way: he didn’t duck the question. pic.twitter.com/QFeKFiRvoa

— Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) May 3, 2023

need to know more about what dan gilbert does thats the wrong way

the whole interview is good, he has no idea what he's doing yet but sounds absolutely thrilled to be here lol

I didn’t listen to the whole thing but my impression is the guy likes himself some cocaine

ts%: 7th percentile
3 pt shooting: 27th percentile
defensive rebound rate: 12th percentile
assist rate: 52nd percentile

he’s been 97th and 95th %ile in defensive EPM the past 2 seasons but is in the bottom half of the league in steals and blocks. he’s got a ton of motor but there is basically nothing in his foundational stats to suggest he has any real skills to build on…the grizzlies (and likely any other contending team) realize his contract is going to be underwater the minute the ink is dry

― k3vin k., Tuesday, May 2, 2023 9:28 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

hollinger:

It is impossible to discuss Dillon Brooks without discussing The Line, the razor-thin one between competitive and crazy that he must straddle to succeed as an NBA player.

All players must do so, to a certain extent, but in Brooks’s case it’s a non-negotiable term of his NBA survival.

Every significant player in the league got here because he has at least one freakish talent, one superpower. That goes for even the role players who you don’t often think about. Brooks’s superpower is “insane competitiveness,” and without it he’s probably playing in Grand Rapids or Gran Canaria right now. It got him in trouble sometimes as a younger player, especially. If somebody scored on him, he had to resist the urge to immediately score on that guy at the other end, no matter what kind of Kobe shot he had to take

And it got him in trouble more recently, obviously, when he played a wrestling heel a little too well at the start of the Grizzlies’ first-round series against the Lakers and couldn’t back up his words.

Nonetheless, that fire is how he became an elite defensive player despite physical tools that would seemingly make such an achievement unlikely – including one of the few wingspans in recent league annals that measure shorter than his height, and a pudgy teenage body he transformed into its current chiseled state. To make it work, though, he has to play right on the edge, where it periodically spills over into techs, flagrants and forced shots. It’s a tricky balance.

insane competitiveness *is* an NBA super power tho. i don’t think that part is bogus

idk most nba players are prob pretty competitive

eric spoelstra would disagree with you on that one

well, i guess he would more disagree with the notion that insane competitiveness isn’t an NBA superpower

the issue is that brooks has the insane competitiveness without the counterweight of self awareness, which is what made that draymond clip so devastating. bcuz draymond has both

the coach perspective is a particular one, they have these players and theyre not trying to analyze them theyre trying to win games, they cant really make the players better at basketball skills like shooting at least not in the short term so they focus on things like effort execution etc, which makes total sense, tho its not uncommon for coaches to get high on their own supply and start to believe that those are really the only things that matter and you see them do things like play washed vets over talented rookies

also i think theres a lot of things that people call competitiveness that arent really like motor which is more of a talent than it is an effort thing

if extreme competitiveness was really "an nba superpower" (pile of shit phrase flush it away please) the league would be full of dylan brookses but its not and in fact he sucks

the reason everyone doesnt play with a marcus smart or draymond green level motor isnt because they lack the desire to achieve a basketball success wins mindset its because if they played like that they would make mistakes and be bad at basketball, like dylan brooks is, playing with high intensity is a skill not a power

motor is it should also be said psychological some people just have more energy than others

*physiological

brooks was a top 60 overall player in his high school class, which means that he was both a very talented basketball player and was also ranked behind lots of guys who never even sniffed the NBA. so it’s not like we’re talking about pat bev or something here, i think his raw talent is prob being a bit understated. but also i buy there is something about his drive that mattered in a real way in terms of him becoming a fulcrum of an NBA franchise for a period of time

I mean he was a second round pick with bad measurements and borderline NBA skills, he’s not a guy who’s going to be a starter for 12 years imo. he might be a heat culture guy tho they should take a flier

someone should do a heat culture team with delusional guys i would tune in

he needs to go to the mavs

Whatever team trades for Kat should sign him

I mean he was a second round pick with bad measurements and borderline NBA skills, he’s not a guy who’s going to be a starter for 12 years imo. he might be a heat culture guy tho they should take a flier

― k3vin k., Thursday, May 4, 2023 10:52 AM (fifty-one minutes ago)

his last two years at oregon he was the leading scorer on the team in seasons where they were a 1 seed in the tournament that made the elite 8 and then a 3 seed that made the final four. that first season he put up 16-5-3 on 47/33/80 splits, that second season he put up 16-3-3 on 48/40/74 shooting. some of the illustrious names drafted before him in the second round include frank jackson, wes iwundu, frank mason, ivan rabb, jonah bolden, semi ojeleye, jordan bell, juwaun evans, dwayne bacon, and tyler dorsey. so maybe his "bad measurements" and "borderline NBA skills" were actually just misevaluations by NBA front offices?

he also was given a 3/35 extension by the grizz. the only guys drafted in the second round that year who made it to a second deal are thomas bryant, isiah hartenstein (the immediate two picks before brooks, oddly) and monte morris. dude was just underrated by the league *shrugs*

hartenstein will prob make it to a third deal. half the first round that year is already out of the league or on minimum contracts at the end of benches. he was clearly a first round talent, the league just whiffed on him. which happens. but the characterization of him as a no talent try hard doesn't actually hold up to scrutiny, to me. he's a flawed player quite clearly but also clearly an NBA talent.

hes a very good defender but a strong minus on offense that adds up to what a situational bench guy, but then also he has alienating personality and doesnt at all understand his niche, sure hes better than guys drafted ahead of him who arent in the league but also hes just not that good

if he could learn to his an open three and understand his role hed be a solid starter but he seems pretty far from that right now

for sure. you're just gonna have a hard time convincing that, despite what NBA front offices thought, dillon brooks was not one of the 32 most talented players in his draft class. what was the amazing talent being displayed by justin patton, DJ wilson, TJ leaf, terrance ferguson etc? those guys are probably better athletes (though are they really?), but that isn't basketball talent

no doubt hed be in the 1st round of a redraft but also the draft is just kinda like that

interesting little discussion here

Agree with your larger point and obviously you know Dillon personally, but I continue to question that he needs to play up to the line on offense to be able to do so on defense when Kyle Lowry and Marcus Smart have managed to find that necessary balance.

— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) May 4, 2023

This season, his field goal attempts were down when Morant/Bane both played. He was taking a lesser role, but somehow shooting even worse. Made it clear he wasn't happy with that role, though.

— Chris Herrington (@ChrisHerrington) May 4, 2023

yeah it was like it neutered him somehow

— John Hollinger (@johnhollinger) May 4, 2023

taking bad fall away long 2s are somehow his best % shots

— Faceless Man (@Topher_Jones) May 4, 2023

yeah, for whatever reason that's been a bigger "me vs. me" -type battle for him than for those other guys you mentioned. Although in Lowry's case that also was accomplished by changing from an awful shooter to an awesome one.

— John Hollinger (@johnhollinger) May 4, 2023

I suppose it’s possible that he goes from an atrocious shooter to a great one…personally I would not bet on it

yeah. Marcus Smart was 24 and in his 5th season when he became a more consistently good-enough-to-stay-on-the-floor shooter. Brooks is 27 and entering his 7th. tbf in a smaller role he was a league avg 3p shooter for his first few years, but unlike marcus he hasn't really shown improvement on offense, has moved in the other direction

yeah marcus is a good playmaker too and just generally a high level basketball understander where brooks is very much not

marcus was also the no 1 PG in his high school class and the 6th pick in the draft. he should be better at all those things than dillon brooks.

and is

he was the projected #1 pick in the anthony bennett draft but he stayed for his sophomore season, rare decision that never gets talked about, not sure he wouldve actually been the 1 pick in that fucked up draft but still very rare for someone whos projected so high to stick around

wow didn't remember that

i wasn't suggesting they were comparable across the board, just looking for comps of guys whose shooting limited the role you could give them who made it work

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=brookdi01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id2=smartma01&p2yrfrom=2023

yeah marcus has had a very weird career trajectory. i guess you'd put him in a group w/ like wiggins & harrison barnes as super hyped talents who, in retrospect, clearly were never gonna be perennial all stars but ended up as key role players on great/title teams. but it never quite felt like those two guys were ever like fully headed out of an NBA rotation the way it was w/ marcus for a bit?

interesting to me how few defensive stocks dillon picks up for a defensive minded player. more of a gets his body into you defender but not a lot of deflections/steals come from it