stashing assets for the 2023 nba offseason

overtime elite is basically another year of high school

post the best scoot draft breakdown video

I’m gonna “watch some film” on scoot today but it doesn’t seem crazy to me to prefer the guy who actually put up good numbers last season and also isn’t 6-2

― k3vin k., Wednesday, June 21, 2023 11:43 AM (fifteen minutes ago)

generally speaking if you're out on a limb w/ the charlotte hornets you prob want to be scrambling back to safety but maybe this is the one time they're right...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d05tQrhNMkA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsxg5Czd-xo

the guy who runs this channel is a regular guest with sam vecenie of the athletic for draft stuff

vibe check

scoot henderson: amazing name

brandon miller: accomplice to a homicide

scoot's got a bit of westbrook, ja, pre-injury derrick rose, chris paul. he's not a steph or dame type point which is obv the best case scenario for a pg leading your team, but he should be an all-star at some point in his career. his ability to put pressure on the rim, shoot the midrange, and his playmaking are really impressive. if the hornets were a competent franchise it wouldnt be a discussion. and if they dont like the fit with lamelo, they should trade lamelo.

miller's stats were good not great, he shot only 43% from two, notoriously was a poor finisher at the basket & isn't a great athlete. he's a very good three point shooter tho. there's some jabari smith jr, harrison barnes, andrew wiggins vibes to his profile frankly

scoot meanwhile is said to be a plus plus athlete for a PG... was listening to hollinger say he's not quite at russell westbrook's level but is comparable to derrick rose or john wall. he's also by all accounts a legitimately good basketball player already as a teenager, was just running a quasi-pro team which is a higher level of ball than miller

to me it seems like scoot has the skills and mentality to be a high floor prospect while also having the athletic upside of a high ceiling prospect. whereas miller has the high floor bcuz of the size & shooting but maybe not the athleticism or mentality to be a star wing player... again we return to the wiggins, barnes, smith jr type player

of course i'm synthesizing things i've been reading/hearing about these guys, i'm not a scout myself. but i think that's largely accurate

i'll also note for anyone interested in doing some amateur scouting reports & such that there is a dedicated draft thread where our takes can be preserved for time...

2023 nba draft thread: starring victor, scoot... and more!

peak rose was a better pure athlete than westbrook, russ is just a maniac

one of the best ever at playing athletically/physically

i think russ has the insane first step and acceleration that is like at the top in the history of the league whereas w/ rose it's the leaping ability

scoot is kind of a maniac which bodes well for his career as a normal-sized human playing basketball

thx for the video, seems like the comps are pretty obvious -- rose, wall, westbrook, ja etc. he looks like he'll be fun to watch. being undersized and not really shooting or playing defense is a bit of a red flag for me, though of course he could get better, by all accounts he seems to be a hard worker. I'm not saying it would be wrong to take a guy like that second, when it comes down to it the draft is really just a crapshoot, but to me that's not the type of player that you're seeing on a lot of championship contending teams

seems like a guy who should be able to defend, shooting is the big question mark, mid range shot seems good but can he extend it to the three point line, pretty big question mark, hes not under sized as outline up thread

isnt he 6-2 why did u say 6-4

i didnt i said he has better size than an average nba 6-4 guy

player one: 6-4 with 6-7 wingspan
player two 6-2 with 6-9 wingspan

who has better size?

ah ok I see

5-6 guy with 9-6 wingspan is the next evolution

lanky kong

player one is nba champ jamal murray btw player two is scoot

but murray can shoot very well is more the issue

i remember wanting the celtics to draft murray that year. jaylen ended up being fine too though

NEWS: The Boston Celtics are pursuing Kristaps Porzingis from the Washington Wizards in a potential opt-in and trade deal, league sources tell Shams Charania.

More details:

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— The Athletic (@TheAthletic) June 21, 2023

oh gosh

interesting

The Mavericks and Celtics have discussed a sign-and-trade for Grant Williams, per @TheAthleticNBA pic.twitter.com/MAWn2tIB8h

— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) June 21, 2023

hmm

C's brain trust is really searching for ideas

brad following the danny ainge playbook of leaking lots of ideas so it looks like they're active even if they're not planning to do much

Sources: Wizards, Celtics and Clippers are in strong talks on a trade that would send Kristaps Porzingis to Boston, Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington and Malcolm Brogdon to Los Angeles. Sides are still working through details and Porzingis’ $36M player option.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 21, 2023

i get it in theory like instead of having one big who can shoot threes and one who can protect the rim you get one guy who can theoretically do both. and bcuz of his floor spacing you could prob play him w/ horford or rob williams, again in theory

but the last time we saw zinger in the playoffs he was essentially unplayable on both sides of the ball so this would be a big leap of faith for a team w/ boston’s aspirations

i mean they dont need him to be a star, but to be clear im not a fan

I think this should absolutely happen.

the mavs didn’t need him to be a star either, in all reality. they just needed him to not be a complete anchor on their team & he couldn’t even clear that bar

i’m not gonna sit here & pretend like i watched much wizards this year so maybe zinger turned a new leaf in a real way. i’m just generally skeptical of the idea that a guy who got salary dumped by a contending team and then put up one good season on a bad team now again has real value as a playoff player. but situations change how guys are perceived & maybe boston would be a good one for him who knows

the mavs did need him to be a star or at least that was their idea, being one of three bigs on a good defensive team would be a pretty different situation

the big issue with zinger is he has an absolutely terrible injury history, celtics im sure are thinking theyd just not play him that much

and if this trade were to happen as reported theres also a big salary aspect theyd get one year of zinger rather than two of brogdon avoiding the famous second apron

if it's just a one year flier on zinger that would be a lot more sensible but i can't figure out why he'd not want to sign a big deal this summer. maybe the market for him as a FA was light tho & this would be his pivot

the mavs did need him to be a star or at least that was their idea

― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 21, 2023 3:29 PM (twenty-one minutes ago)

well they needed him to be a star if they were going to become one of the best teams in the NBA for multiple years. but to get to the west finals the year they did they didn't need any of their bigs to be stars, they just needed them to play defense and hit some threes, which is what the celtics would need from him, and he couldn't even do that. but there were prob other factors too... his health, being mad at luka & hating the situation etc

they were wanting him to be mr big rim protector with four perimeter guys around him and he couldnt do it but there are other ways to play defense especially with a team like boston that has a lot of defensive talent, basically i think they way to think about this is a salary dump while picking up a high upside third big, and yeah i dont think theres a big contract out there for him, everyone knows the mavs just dumped him

could all be nonsense tho who knows but when you start to hear a super detailed deal with three teams in it its prob more real

he was coming back from ACL and could never really stay healthy or play consistent. He looked healthier this last season, more confident in his body. I think it just took him a while to get back to himself. still not sure he's a positive impact player but in theory he's a guy who can do a few things well.

Porziņģis has been well-liked by teammates, coaches and team officials ever since the Wizards traded for him in February 2022. He’s had a positive influence on his young teammates, most notably forward Deni Avdija.

lol

shouldve worked "mentoring" in there, disappointing performance

I like porzingis btw, he had by far the best season of his career last year. still plays good defense and has finally seemed to round out his offensive game: I think KOC said on his podcast that he actually had the best scoring efficiency on postups in the league last year. he’s only 27 and played 65 games last year. slam dunk trade for boston imo

in one of my many, many otm posts in the unicorn thread I pointed out how porzingis’s media market distorted his perception, he was always overrated in new york but is now underrated. it is only fitting that he gets a big deal in boston so he can be overrated again

seems like its happening big question for me is if it includes an extension for zinger

Breaking: Celtics, Wizards, Clippers are closing in on a trade sending Kristaps Porzingis to Boston, Malcolm Brogdon to L.A., and Marcus Morris and draft compensation to Washington, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) June 21, 2023

wiz are salting the earth huh

the extension or lack thereof is really important here