for future value, i think ant is the guy. he just has a rare mentality to go with his otherworldly athletic gifts.
gonna vote shai tho, cause he is arguably already the best guard in the whole darn league.
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 December 2023 18:25 (six months ago) link
based on choosing which 'point god' I'd want to build a team around, SGA. If it had just been who would I build a team around, I might have chosen Ant Edwards.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 7 December 2023 18:38 (six months ago) link
i wouldn't vote for him over any of these guys (probably) but what's the deal with darius garland? looks like his numbers are down across the board this year.
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 December 2023 18:41 (six months ago) link
trying to win a chip, it's between shai and ant. who would bring the most joy into my life to cheer for? hali
voted shai
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 7 December 2023 18:57 (six months ago) link
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Thursday, December 7, 2023 11:41 AM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
sharing the court with donovan mitchell is hard
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 7 December 2023 19:28 (six months ago) link
very good poll
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 7 December 2023 20:27 (six months ago) link
and lol cade
I write this as one of the few that watches every Pistons game!
― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, 7 December 2023 20:28 (six months ago) link
my condolences!
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 December 2023 20:48 (six months ago) link
my rankings were forward looking btw. hali is an MVP candidate already honestly I think
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 December 2023 23:46 (six months ago) link
could make a case for ant too, best player on the team with the best record in the league doing it on both ends
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Thursday, 7 December 2023 23:48 (six months ago) link
Point Zion
― Jeff, Friday, 8 December 2023 00:04 (six months ago) link
zion is bad its sad to see
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 00:06 (six months ago) link
gotta be SGA:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/basketball-star-shai-gilgeous-alexander-wins-lawsuit-undo-home-sale-1.7052140
― symsymsym, Friday, 8 December 2023 00:53 (six months ago) link
https://i.cbc.ca/1.7015288.1698859234!/cumulusImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/lakefront-mansion-in-burlington.jpg
look at those big houses right next to each other thats what 8m gets you in toronto these days smh
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 December 2023 01:04 (six months ago) link
changing my rankings from this morning to:
current rankings:
hali
(big gap)
shaifoxantmoranttraemaxeymelocade
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:12 (six months ago) link
the halliburton question is the toughest one for me cuz i feel like the only thing separating him from being the trae young experience is that he is shooting like steph curry and not like trae young. but what if this is just who he is
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:14 (six months ago) link
i’m doing deep meditative thinking before posting my rankings bcuz the last time we did this i submitted one of the wrongest posts in ILH history
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:15 (six months ago) link
should luka not be included in this exercise? he is a few months older than ja and younger than trae/fox
― Clay, Friday, 8 December 2023 01:20 (six months ago) link
too big
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 December 2023 01:21 (six months ago) link
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 7, 2023 8:15 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
<3
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:42 (six months ago) link
I re-read that thread yesterday and tbh if it were not for my homerism, we all basically whiffed
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:43 (six months ago) link
― Clay, Thursday, December 7, 2023 8:20 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I consciously excluded him due to already being too established
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:44 (six months ago) link
that's about what i figured
― Clay, Friday, 8 December 2023 01:52 (six months ago) link
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 7, 2023 6:14 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
the shooting is what it is at this point, 200+ game sample size of 48/41/86 splits
trae 370+ games 44/35/87
trae offsets it a bit with 8-9 FTA per game to halis 3-4
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 01:59 (six months ago) link
luka is a forward to me
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 02:00 (six months ago) link
i do think there is something about trae young being a verifiably average-ish shooter from 3 while also being one of the league’s great hoisters that drags down his team in a way that stats don’t fully quantify. there is not much ego in halliburton’s game
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 December 2023 02:17 (six months ago) link
trae could shoot a good % if he took better shots but that would require doing more than standing five feet behind the three point line when he doesnt have the ball
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 December 2023 02:25 (six months ago) link
haliburton def seems like a team joy everyone eats type of guy
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 02:27 (six months ago) link
yeah i was going to say i think the major other difference between trae and tyrese is that all tyrese's teammates seem to like him
― call all destroyer, Friday, 8 December 2023 02:28 (six months ago) link
one of the pod guys i think it was zach was talking recently about how halliburton basically had to force himself to shoot as much as other people want him shooting bcuz it’s in his nature to facilitate first. i don’t think trae young has this issue…
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Friday, 8 December 2023 02:34 (six months ago) link
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 7, 2023 7:34 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
if thats the case then he really is a nash disciple
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 02:59 (six months ago) link
nekias agrees:
Nash with 75 shot tendency https://t.co/00jACRiFnm— Nekias (Nuh-KY-us) Duncan (@NekiasNBA) December 7, 2023
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 04:45 (six months ago) link
There have been 17 games in NBA history where a player has 25+ points, 15+ assists, and zero turnovers.Nobody has done it more than once except for Tyrese Haliburton, who has done it three times since Nov. 12, including tonight. Unreal.— Wheat Hotchkiss (@Wheat_Hotchkiss) December 8, 2023
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 8 December 2023 04:59 (six months ago) link
shai is the best all round player right now. in order:
shaihalifoxjatraelamelomaxeycade
ant doesnt belong on this list.
i would caveat that shai isn't up to handling the entire distribution load like hali is. shai gets a lot more help in that department. its his scoring and defence that give him an edge right now.
― micah, Thursday, 14 December 2023 15:32 (six months ago) link
EPIC BATTLE OF THE PGs! 🔥Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and De'Aaron Fox put on one hell of a scoring show in the Kings' thrilling 128-123 victory over the Thunder 👀De'Aaron: 43 Pts, 7 Ast, 2 Stl, 14/23 FGShai: 43 Pts, 9 Ast, 6 Reb, 13/27 FG pic.twitter.com/brgt1mk59k— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPoints) December 15, 2023
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 15 December 2023 06:17 (six months ago) link
maybe it's true garland doesn't really belong on this list but his touch is so soft, it's crazy. i love him so much. career 45/38/86. 23 years old. averaging 6 assists and 20ppg.
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 December 2023 11:32 (six months ago) link
he's also ahead of tatum and holiday in "defensive win shares" whatever tf that is
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 December 2023 11:38 (six months ago) link
id def take him ahead of some of the guys on the list
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 December 2023 13:50 (six months ago) link
garland has a very aesthetically pleasing game it’s true
― call all destroyer, Friday, 15 December 2023 14:41 (six months ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday
who?
― micah, Friday, 15 December 2023 15:38 (six months ago) link
let’s just come out and say it: darius garland is hot af
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 December 2023 15:39 (six months ago) link
that said he made a couple of horrible plays in the game last night, like the layup that tatum blocked into oblivion was very lazy
― call all destroyer, Friday, 15 December 2023 15:48 (six months ago) link
lol tatum was waiting on him
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 December 2023 19:10 (six months ago) link
he has a fractured jaw now, out for a bithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmQRiGt3-o
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Friday, 15 December 2023 19:14 (six months ago) link
oh no, he came back in after that too
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 December 2023 19:14 (six months ago) link
― micah, Friday, December 15, 2023 10:38 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i mean cade obviously but im willing to discuss trae ja lamelo maxey, i think garland could put up some big numbers if he wasnt playing next to a very similar guy
― lag∞n, Friday, 15 December 2023 19:19 (six months ago) link
Trae Young in December:30.8 PPG11.6 APG1.4 STLs + BLKs41.2 3P% on 10.2 3PA/G!!47.5/41.2/86.4 splits overall.it’s getting cold…❄️ pic.twitter.com/wxfg6dXEgH— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) December 16, 2023
― Comfortably numbnuts (Heez), Sunday, 17 December 2023 13:33 (six months ago) link
what's the hawks record in december?
― polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Sunday, 17 December 2023 15:17 (six months ago) link
i salute trae for putting up good stats for seven games, not going to say how many of those were loses
― lag∞n, Sunday, 17 December 2023 15:25 (six months ago) link
i’ve seen enough—cade is the mvp
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Sunday, 31 December 2023 00:54 (five months ago) link
“Even dating a pretty girl gets boring after a while if she can’t guard anybody,” - Rick Carlisle, out of context, about his team.— Tony East (@TonyREast) December 30, 2023
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 00:55 (five months ago) link
I just feel like SGA has proven enough at this point and is playing well enough to annoint him as the winner here. and it truly pains me to point this out but I did vote for him a month ago as documented above
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 01:21 (five months ago) link
SGA in december: 32.6/5.5/6.7 with 3.3 steals and 0.8 blocks on .648 true shooting, despite having a weirdly bad 3 point shooting month (.256), just feels like he’s already arrived and planted his flag. hard to see now he ends up out of the top 5 of the MVP discussion at this point
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 01:29 (five months ago) link
he’s done enough in the last month to definitively say he’s the best of all these guys?
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 01:48 (five months ago) link
sga was the easy vote just because hes already really good, and also cool, most or maybe all of the other guys will never be as good as he is now
― lag∞n, Sunday, 31 December 2023 06:12 (five months ago) link
i’m not gonna tell anyone who voted for shai that they’re wrong. but it’s worth keeping in mind that ant edwards is 3 years younger than shai and the gap between them right now is definitely real but i wouldn’t say it’s massive or anything
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 06:30 (five months ago) link
I definitely wouldn’t fault anyone for choosing edwards either, but picking shai just feels like a bird in the hand situation to me. he’s doing it night in and night out, seems like he’s a playoff series win away from breaking into the luka/tatum tier
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 12:37 (five months ago) link
yeah its not hard to imagine ant maxxing out as better than shai, hes obvs got the stuff to do it just gotta put it all together
― lag∞n, Sunday, 31 December 2023 13:38 (five months ago) link
btw just started listening to the thinking basketball podcast best players under 25, they chose luka then ant 1-2 (shai doesn’t qualify), I recently watched the youtube for the channel for the first time and found the voices attached to the faces very upsetting, it seems like they should be reversed and someone should look into it
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Sunday, 31 December 2023 14:18 (five months ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Sunday, 31 December 2023 14:54 (five months ago) link
hali last two games combined 43 points 43 assists 2 turnovers
― lag∞n, Sunday, 31 December 2023 22:19 (five months ago) link
fucking hell
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 31 December 2023 23:55 (five months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 1 January 2024 00:01 (five months ago) link
point god shit
― micah, Monday, 1 January 2024 06:53 (five months ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 00:01 (five months ago) link
PBKR gotta be responsible for making the official ILH take maxey > ja
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 01:39 (five months ago) link
Completely sentimental one for Maxey because I love this hooper so much.
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, December 6, 2023 12:50 AM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 01:46 (five months ago) link
this video makes the observation that haliburton tends to avoid defenders rather than challenge them, which is an interesting approach, kinda seems like it wouldnt work cause the defense wouldnt be compromised enough but i guess when you see the court as well as him its ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WK-xtv3xWI
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 03:04 (five months ago) link
These shows are a complete waste of time lol
Malika Andrews: "Is Tyrese Maxey the best PG in the East?"Brian Windhorst: "I think he could make a strong case…"Kendrick Perkins: "…You know who I'm going with…Jalen Brunson!…proven in the big moments…"Malika: "No one's taking Tyrese Haliburton?…"Perk: "…excellent… pic.twitter.com/5RvJz4ElqB— New York Basketball (@NBA_NewYork) January 13, 2024
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Saturday, 13 January 2024 03:33 (five months ago) link
absolutely haha
― micah, Saturday, 13 January 2024 04:42 (five months ago) link
Really makes you appreciate ILH
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Saturday, 13 January 2024 17:09 (five months ago) link
always
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 13 January 2024 17:35 (five months ago) link
This is the sweetest entrance I’ve ever seen 🥹😊 Brucey B is BACK pic.twitter.com/tbCgqj93Zf— Katy Winge (@katywinge) January 14, 2024
brucie B ring night tonight
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 January 2024 18:51 (five months ago) link
oops wrong thread
― truly humbled underdog (k3vin k.), Sunday, 14 January 2024 19:07 (five months ago) link
pacers are 14th in d rating, 4th in net rating, and 7-2 in the 9 games since carlisle said that "even dating a pretty girl gets boring after a while if she can't guard anyone"
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 14 January 2024 21:56 (five months ago) link
carlisles war on pretty girls paying off bigtime
― lag∞n, Monday, 15 January 2024 00:35 (five months ago) link
sadly for cade cunningham his career ended when a guy from the ringer wrote an article three weeks into the season about how he can't score at the rim. that being said, nice to see him finishing the month of february w/ a 22/5/7 line on 50/45/83 shooting. his TS% on the season is now up to 55% ... was 50% and 49% the last two years. FG% from 0-3 feet up to 61% on the season, up from 56% and 58% the last two seasons. while fighting god's toughest battle (being coached by monty williams) every single day...
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:04 (three months ago) link
good for cade hopefully he we get to play on a good team sooner than later
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 21:39 (three months ago) link
monty’s contract has to be up soon (checks the internet)
― brony james (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 28 February 2024 23:42 (three months ago) link
today is as good a day as ever to remember that ant edwards is 3 years younger than shai
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:13 (three months ago) link
so fuckin crazy
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:21 (three months ago) link
not easy to get to where shai is now ant can def do it but were also just a few games removed from him taking a 2 down 3 with 3 seconds left, ants ceiling is prob higher but shai is proven, think we had this exact discussion upthread tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:34 (three months ago) link
tho tbf re shai is proven neither of them have really played in the playoffs which is interesting
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:36 (three months ago) link
shai basically putting up kd numbers and he plays d, tho one weird thing he hardly takes any threes, which i guess is kd like too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 16:45 (three months ago) link
Before shai turns 28 the 3ball will be solidly in his repertoire.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 March 2024 17:32 (three months ago) link
one would hope, his 3pt shot is pretty weird it starts really low i think he needs to tighten it up a bit to be able to get it off in more spots
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:12 (three months ago) link
couple years old but i think its about the same now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIWzFhM2IKQ
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 March 2024 18:14 (three months ago) link
Need to add Coby White to this list I guess :)― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, December 18, 2023 8:58 PM (four months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― infinite wiggles (Spottie), Monday, December 18, 2023 8:58 PM (four months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:18 (two months ago) link
he looked like such a strong, controlled finisher last night. i can't say i watched too many bulls games this season and i know he's had a great year, but at least in this instance the hawks purported "defense" seemed to be a not insignificant factor
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:52 (two months ago) link
I victory lapped one game too early
― I Chet the Holmgren (Spottie), Saturday, 20 April 2024 01:30 (two months ago) link
he does not belong in this convo
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 20 April 2024 01:31 (two months ago) link