battle of the NBA’s next point gods

yeah i was going to say i think the major other difference between trae and tyrese is that all tyrese's teammates seem to like him

one of the pod guys i think it was zach was talking recently about how halliburton basically had to force himself to shoot as much as other people want him shooting bcuz it’s in his nature to facilitate first. i don’t think trae young has this issue…

one of the pod guys i think it was zach was talking recently about how halliburton basically had to force himself to shoot as much as other people want him shooting bcuz it’s in his nature to facilitate first. i don’t think trae young has this issue…

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, December 7, 2023 7:34 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if thats the case then he really is a nash disciple

nekias agrees:

Nash with 75 shot tendency https://t.co/00jACRiFnm

— Nekias (Nuh-KY-us) Duncan (@NekiasNBA) December 7, 2023

There have been 17 games in NBA history where a player has 25+ points, 15+ assists, and zero turnovers.

Nobody has done it more than once except for Tyrese Haliburton, who has done it three times since Nov. 12, including tonight.

Unreal.

— Wheat Hotchkiss (@Wheat_Hotchkiss) December 8, 2023

shai is the best all round player right now. in order:

shai
hali
fox
ja
trae
lamelo
maxey
cade

ant doesnt belong on this list.

i would caveat that shai isn't up to handling the entire distribution load like hali is. shai gets a lot more help in that department. its his scoring and defence that give him an edge right now.

EPIC BATTLE OF THE PGs! 🔥

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and De'Aaron Fox put on one hell of a scoring show in the Kings' thrilling 128-123 victory over the Thunder 👀

De'Aaron: 43 Pts, 7 Ast, 2 Stl, 14/23 FG
Shai: 43 Pts, 9 Ast, 6 Reb, 13/27 FG pic.twitter.com/brgt1mk59k

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPoints) December 15, 2023

maybe it's true garland doesn't really belong on this list but his touch is so soft, it's crazy. i love him so much. career 45/38/86. 23 years old. averaging 6 assists and 20ppg.

he's also ahead of tatum and holiday in "defensive win shares" whatever tf that is

id def take him ahead of some of the guys on the list

garland has a very aesthetically pleasing game it’s true

id def take him ahead of some of the guys on the list

― lag∞n, Saturday

who?

let’s just come out and say it: darius garland is hot af

that said he made a couple of horrible plays in the game last night, like the layup that tatum blocked into oblivion was very lazy

lol tatum was waiting on him

he has a fractured jaw now, out for a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmQRiGt3-o

oh no, he came back in after that too

id def take him ahead of some of the guys on the list

― lag∞n, Saturday

who?

― micah, Friday, December 15, 2023 10:38 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean cade obviously but im willing to discuss trae ja lamelo maxey, i think garland could put up some big numbers if he wasnt playing next to a very similar guy

Trae Young in December:

30.8 PPG
11.6 APG
1.4 STLs + BLKs
41.2 3P% on 10.2 3PA/G!!
47.5/41.2/86.4 splits overall.

it’s getting cold…❄️ pic.twitter.com/wxfg6dXEgH

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) December 16, 2023

what's the hawks record in december?

i salute trae for putting up good stats for seven games, not going to say how many of those were loses

as a fan of the team that owns the hawks picks from 2025 to 2027, i am very excited about the trajectory of the atlanta hawks basketball franchise

it doesnt make sense that theyre this bad at defense theyve got a bunch of supposedly good defensive players and a supposedly good coach and yet theyre a bottom five defense can trae and bogdan really be that bad

guess i could see if they were starting them and playing them a lot together but theyre not

They lost Jalen Johnson and fell apart

a whole team shouldnt be dependant on one jalen johnson, i honestly just dont see what their deal is, if they had just a middling d theyd be decent, instead they have great offense and terrible defense, its no way to live

is capela cooked, he still gets rebounds and blocks

The Hawks bench is wafer thin. They have an eight-man rotation when DeAndre Hunter and Jalen Johnson are actually healthy. I don't think they're dying to play the Matthews brothers or Paddy Mills or Bruno Fernando.

hunters started 22 games, theyve got eight good players when healthy, wes mathews is averaging 12mins a game which is the most out of those four guys

xp will not stand for patrick thrills slander, just on principle

Ha I k ew shit would fly for mentioning that Trae’s a p good point guard. Y’all r like knicks fans or some shit. Bing bong

Hah ILH does not like Trae

hes not valid

we still have never caught him in dyckman

Need to add Coby White to this list I guess :)

Coby White tonight:

24 PTS
8 REB
9 AST

Averaging 25/7/6 over his last eight games. https://t.co/GuALxCyPYD

— StatMuse (@statmuse) December 19, 2023

Scottie Barnes’ shooting leap has rightfully garnered tons of attention, but De’Aaron Fox is having a similar, if not bigger, shooting leap.

He’s hitting 40% of his 3s and taking 9 of them each game. 40% on pull-ups and catch-and-shoots! Insane numbers.

— Jackson Frank (@jackfrank_jjf) December 29, 2023

As the league gets ever friendlier to the offense and more difficult to defend, what used to be first team All-NBA PG stats are becoming almost commonplace. The talent level among starting guards and the blurring of distinctions between point and shooting guards means the kind of separation Steph Curry achieved between himself and his nearest peers isn't possible any more. Half the starting PGs can put up point god numbers now.

i think my three toxic opinions regarding these guys are as follows

1. i believe in ja the basketball player a lot more than you guys

2. fox is an ultimate dog in the chest x ray player to me & has been since he was punking lonzo on national TV in college. the widespread acceptance that the kings “traded the wrong guy” feels very premature to me

3. i’m taking cade over like half of these guys

so my rankings are …

1. anthony edwards

only guy on this list who sometimes looks like michael jordan. i do think the real team playoff success will come down the line when this roster has turned over almost completely. i don’t actually see him as a PG, i think you’ll need a real secondary ball handler who can shoot at guard with him but the derrick whites of the world are out there. i think he’s showing this year at the end of games that he is hitting the point of “getting to my spot and you can’t do shit” on offense and top tier on ball individual defense. SGA has been mentioned as the current d wade equivalent previously but like…

pic.twitter.com/vSwOpC6vq2 https://t.co/vJKInChuvS

— Brett Usher (@UsherNBA) December 29, 2023

I will just say that Fox was the guy I wanted Philly to take at 3 the year they traded up for Fultz.

I forget who the other big pg in college was that year, but Fox took it personal and ate him up in tournament game.

Lol, I think it was Lonzo. Put up 39/3/4 on him. Lonzo had 10 points.

yes my love of fox is rooted in that game

that fox/monk kentucky team was so much fun, only right that they’re teammates again

i don’t like the way he plays basketball & it feels like this iteration of their team is smacking its head against the ceiling and there is blood running down its face.

i love everything about this sentence

:)

upon further consideration i think i was too hard on halli in terms of my comps — you definitely would have to throw dame in there for him too, and the main reason why people never soured on dame the same way they did/have to whatever extent on harden/trae/luka is primarily because dame is just a stand up guy & halliburton def seems cut from that same cloth. i could easily see halli getting to a similar spot where the pacers aren’t a real threat to come out of the east but winning a playoff series is a realistic goal most years & everyone is pretty cool with that because he’s just a good guy who plays a fun style of ball. i don’t get the sense that pacers fans are the championship or bust types. i think i’m just not sure i see what clearly separates him from ja and fox to pick at least those two, beyond the shooting, which does matter but isn’t the end all be all & also does seem to be one of the more improvable skills (i.e. scottie barnes). like fox and ja can close the shooting gap on halli (fox possibly already is) but there isn’t a way for halli to i.e. attain fox’s speed or ja’s athleticism

well he is a bunch bigger than those two and i dont think they are getting taller

pacers defensive woes are mostly a personnel issue. there are about 3 plus defenders on the whole roster. the team is in a transitional mode right now and i expect they will find more of a balance in the next season... and hali will be continue to be great.

well he is a bunch bigger than those two and i dont think they are getting taller

― micah, Saturday, December 30, 2023 8:27 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

hes also an elite passer, and while the competition might improve their shooting theyre just not gonna get to halis level

you look at guys who can really pass and really score and really shoot and its a pretty nice mix your steve nashes nikola jokices your luka donices, not saying hali is on their level but he is 23 years old averaging 25-4-12 50/42/85, which is not some wildly out of trend year for him, his ceiling is very high, on offense at least lol

the thing about combining elite passing with great scoring is it makes you very hard to double team which is the traditional method for stopping a guy who is scoring too much

lamelo is awesome when he plays.

otm

i still think even if he plays a full season he needs to beat the unserious allegations, but the team they seem to have a potentially better coach and the roster around him actually makes some sense now

i feel like one thing we can safely say is that the somewhat pervasive argument from before the 2023 draft that the hornets shouldn't think about fit and should just pick scoot because he'll be a better franchise cornerstone than lamelo anyway so you can just trade lamelo and reorient your whole team.... i think they dodged a bullet there

i still think even if he plays a full season he needs to beat the unserious allegations

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 29, 2024 2:42 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah the thing about being injured all the time is you dont get to make progress on yr game (defense, finishing, getting serious)

he def seems like an in it for the 'gram type of dude but yeah until we see a long stretch of health and some high leverage games/moments we just wont know if that's a smoke screen for the killer inside, or not

also tho i just cant take that org seriously cos they employ miles bridges

ja morant 32-9-9 on 11-20 shooting, 4-6 from three in a road win in boston

cade cunningham 29-10–15 on 9-17 shooting, 5-8 from three in a road win in MSG

assist per game this year: Trae = 12.0

next closest: Cade = 9.1

next closest of this group that is...

bump

top 3 finishers in our poll leading 3 of the 4 remaining teams. Brunson was 6 months too old to meet the criteria k3v set, wonder where he would've placed

have a feeling this thread will continue to be an interesting revisit for some time to come

god it’s so hard to be right on all of these polls

I was a little bit wrong on cade probably tbf