The NBA Dress Code: C/D

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Per Barry's suggestion on the introduction thread, discuss!

Phil Mushnick is well into the depths of self-parody on the topic in today's NY Post:

Let's see if we've got this straight. David Stern for years allowed, if not encouraged, NBA teams to cash in on the latest prison- and gang-established fashions by changing their logos, uniform colors, even the look of their warm-ups.

How eager was the NBA for its cut of the gang-wear trade? The Philadelphia franchise, nicknamed the 76ers and a team that naturally dressed in red, white and blue uniforms to reflect the city's birthplace-of-the-nation heritage, switched to mostly black.

And now that Stern recognizes that NBAers are showing up to speak at schools and in airports and for TV interviews looking like recruitment officers for the Bloods and Crips, he's pushing a more civil dress code.

Good idea, boss. And there's absolutely nothing racist about a commissioner who doesn't want the league's players, on league business, dressed to impersonate gangsters. Not even those players who are associated with a gang should look as if they are. How can you argue with Stern on that?

But if it's changes for the better that Stern wants, why not start with the Sixers' uniform?

It was just 16 years ago when the NBA, under Stern, merrily marketed its champion Pistons — the elbows-to-the-jaw, brawl-a-game Pistons — as "The Bad Boys." Too much of a bad thing, eh Mr. Commissioner?

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

way to have it both ways, Mushnick

I'm against the dress code, but I see Stern's point. I agree with Stephen Jackson that there are racist overtones, but that is because I am insane.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 October 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

PROHIBITION DIDN'T WORK THE FIRST TIME

(That kinda makes sense in the context of this discussion. If you're drunk.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 21 October 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

This just in: Tim Duncan calls the dress code "a load of crap" and "basically retarded." OMG love that guy now.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

There are really two issues here:

1) the dress code (wearing dress pants, sports coats, etc.)
2) the no bling rule

I can tolerate 1), but 2) appears to cloak discrimination in more palatable language.

Recall the UK's Criminal Justice Act, in which

"no repetitive beats" ... translation: we don't like ravers

similarly,

"no chains in NBA" ... translation: we have a problem with the way black people dress

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Cuban's take on it - that basically the league had to do it because sponsors were complaining and the teams weren't doing anything about it - was pretty surprising.

But Stern should really compromise on the dressing up on airplanes. Four hours in a suit when players flying overnight is kind of silly.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Sorry about that shitty post. Me no type good today.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's a little harsh these guys now have to travel, in effect, in a uniform. But there's no way teams will rat out their players for changing into warmups on a cross-country flight.

The idea that an on-court and in-arena dress code stifle individuality, or some manifestation of hip-hop culture in a discriminatory fashion is just ludicrous. Sartorial cultural messages don't come from those silly postgame chats or the arrival shots of dudes walking to the locker room.

Jay-Z can still wear what he wants when he sits courtside.

And A.I., Rasheed, whoever, can still appear in dozens of print and television ads for clothing companies, the kind kids tear out of XXL and put on their walls. They can still go on Rap City and hang with Tigger, they can still invite MTV over for Cribs. I think the culture of the NBA manifests itself into the media in so many more ways than postgame interviews.

The objection among the athletes is the objection of a millionaire boys club that has been long pampered and allowed much leeway as long as production on the court is up to snuff.

scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

So there's nothing you find questionable at all about a 99% white-owned league telling an 80% black group of athletes what they can and cannot wear on the way to and from their job, especially when many of those signifiers only apply to young black men?

And let's be honest: the "millionaire boys club" is being told what to do by a billionaire men's club.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 October 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I find a lot questionable. But I've weighed the questions and have decided a dress code won't stifle the cultural transmission of hip-hop, and, since these guys are working, going to their job, they've got to accept their employers' provisions.

There's still a lot they can wear. They can still wear jeans and tucked in shirts or sweaters to the arenas. Sportcoats are only essential if they're on the bench on IR or not in uniform.

I'm hard pressed to think of a job where there are so many rules about personal behavior, such high pay, such enormous television exposure, that don't have dress codes.

And yeah, rich white men own everything. Including the NBA. But I think "the man" trying to reign in an avalanche of thuggishness isn't the reason this is happening.

scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I think you are right about that, but that's the way it's being framed by everybody. I think it's more about de-emphasizing the wealth by making players own up to the wealth, and I think the reason for that is that David Stern has Matthew Dowd whispering in his ear about bringing in the "red state" fans (OOOOOOH HATE THAT TERM) in the southern states where all the "new" teams are. The new attitude seems to be analogous to country music stars dressing up in expensive outfits instead of being all bummy; remember, Garth brought country back by being a humble glam-rocker, but always having a clean cowboy shirt!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Dowd hire took corporate patrimony to a whole new level. But who could be better at convincing high-level executives to re-up in sponsorships?

I hope there's some cabal of players who are so dead-set against this they're willing to just eat the fines as a group, so, say A.I. can just wear whatever he wants. Or someone's smart enough to get the Roc to dress them and pay their fines in exchange for the publicity.

scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

AI is saying he can handle it, now; Paul Pierce is quoted as saying "I dress how I feel, some days I'll just take the fine"!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

The quote from Stern saying, "if players don't like it than maybe they should start thinking about what they want to do for the rest of their lives" was pretty classic. I'm kind of ambivalent about the dress code.... Seems like there was a lot of uproar, but the players have for the most part handled it in stride. Seeing that some teams require full suits (I think Nate McMillan is one coach who requires it), having some uniformity (sorry) doesn't seem awful.

And in the end there's some truth to the anti-hip-hop stance, but that's a far cry from saying that the dress code is racist. The NBA is simply a business and very aware of the need to control its marketing and image. Which is probably why the players are going to go along with it. They know it was a business decision, plain and simple.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 21 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Serious question: has anyone heard whether or not this will apply to the NBDL as well? What about the WNBA?

The way I figure it, if anyone's looking for double standards, those are the obvious places to start.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 21 October 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Agreed, Aaron. I'm hoping, as well, that the Player's Union and Billy Hunter decided not to make such a fuss about this because they realized there'd be bigger issues on the horizon to fight about.

scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Friday, 21 October 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

AGREED! NEXT TOPIC THEN!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I can't imagine the dress code would apply to the NBDL, since it's a) a separately owned league and b) the players obviously don't have the same income to spend on wardrobes.

As for next topics... We need to do our preseason predictions soon.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I can't imagine the dress code would apply to the NBDL, since it's a) a separately owned league and b) the players obviously don't have the same income to spend on wardrobes.

GET ONE S&K MENSWEAR!

I actually didn't know it was separately owned. I guess this makes sense cf. every other pro minor league. Duh.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Zeke used to own the CBA (post-Raptors pre-Pacers) but he managed to literally run it into bankruptcy. I think if/when the NBDL expands that the NBA will be involved, and they probably are in some ways now, but at the moment it's still a separate entity.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 21 October 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

So who is going to show up all Don Magic Juan?? I dug that shot of Kobe ESPN kept running with him in some sort of beige mink getup.

scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Friday, 21 October 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Serious question: has anyone heard whether or not this will apply to the NBDL as well? What about the WNBA?

What about MLB? Or the NFL?

In baseball, the dress codes used to be set by each club's manager. I'm not sure how it works now, though.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 21 October 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

imagine it's bizarro world circa 1994 and the almost entirely white NBA's players are wearing ripped jeans and grungy flannels in the arena and on the sidelines. does the commissioner enact a dress code?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

I'd hope so. They'd look so lame, otherwise.

Leeeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 3 November 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)


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