those who outplay the competition psychologically
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:06 (seventeen years ago)
1. chris paul
2. tim duncan
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:13 (seventeen years ago)
3. larry birds
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:15 (seventeen years ago)
4. your boy Bill Russell
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)
5. MJ
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:46 (seventeen years ago)
Bird should be #1 here
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:49 (seventeen years ago)
6. steves nash
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:51 (seventeen years ago)
7. John Stockton
― carne asada, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:57 (seventeen years ago)
8. up and coming mastermind brandon roy
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 14:59 (seventeen years ago)
9. savant mastermind moses malone
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 15:01 (seventeen years ago)
10. chauncey billups
11. magic obvs
12. bad boy bill bradley
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 15:34 (seventeen years ago)
13. bad boy dennis rodman
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 15:36 (seventeen years ago)
14. big boy charles barkley
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 15:40 (seventeen years ago)
i hav to somewhat disagree w/that one tbh^
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)
i thought someone would
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 16:22 (seventeen years ago)
saw him grab 33 boards past his prime as a rocket the other day on classic, while also dishing out some nice assists, and was struck by what a smart player he was, at least at that point in his career.
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 16:24 (seventeen years ago)
def smart but id say too flawed for these purposes
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 16:26 (seventeen years ago)
Isiah Thomas the player
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 17:30 (seventeen years ago)
Robert Horry
these all seem to fall into a few archetypes, like dudes who trash talk you to get you all shook and not playing right or like guys who like duncan or mj who hold the ball on the wing and wait for you to shit yourself before they hit a bank shot or like point guards who just completely run the offense.
― atlas thugged (m bison), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 18:22 (seventeen years ago)
16.http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0603/nba_g_jackson_400.jpg
― circles, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 21:01 (seventeen years ago)
17. sam cassell
― Clay, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 21:07 (seventeen years ago)
^came here to post
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)
18. Kobe Fucking Bryant (on his good days)
― Clay, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:22 (seventeen years ago)
i knew this moment was coming and i have to go ahead and disagree - kobe has never found the personal aggression / team involvement balance that epitomizes the mastermind experience
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 22:29 (seventeen years ago)
Yeah I don't agree fully, thus the parenthetical. Half the time he outplays himself psychologically. But the nights when he's on he's as dominant as they've ever come he gets in that psyche-you-out zone and that has to count for something.
― Clay, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)
yah i think youve got to be consistent to be a mastermind
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 23:41 (seventeen years ago)
o that's true
― Clay, Thursday, 25 December 2008 00:44 (seventeen years ago)
A lot of these dudes outplayed the competition physically too (I mean Magic and Bird didn't grab rebounds and get assists with their MINDS). Anyway two nominations for defensive psychout artists:
Dennis RodmanBruce Bowen (much as I hate to admit it)
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 25 December 2008 17:30 (seventeen years ago)
yah obv youve got to have physical skills to get anywhere near the nba - point is when paired w/a dominant mind things get nuts
bowen is sadly somewhat otm - tho i discount him cause his technique is at least somewhat reliant on the threat of injury - it is admittedly some sort of magical psych out that he hasnt been thrown out of the nba
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 25 December 2008 17:36 (seventeen years ago)
Reggie Miller
― Alex in SF, Thursday, 25 December 2008 17:59 (seventeen years ago)
yeah obv mj had amazing talent but it was his brane that lifted him above the dominiques and gervins of the world
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:40 (seventeen years ago)
and while i would argue that bird DID get rebounds and assists with his mind and that he wasn't particularly notable speed strength or leaping wise, his hand-eye coordination was 2nd to none
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:45 (seventeen years ago)
i mean i don't know about y'all but there's been tons of times i've played with dudes who are far superior to me physically but have no clue how to play the game and i'm able to get boards/assts/even blocks on them
― expletive for lady parts (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 25 December 2008 19:47 (seventeen years ago)
not masterminds: Tracy McGrady, Clyde Drexler.
― Clay, Thursday, 25 December 2008 22:31 (seventeen years ago)