KOBE v WADE

well this is stupid

kobe, obviously

assuming you mean career wise? wade could certainly break even if not move past him tho, but he's still a bit away from that

idk, career wise, at their peaks, whatever. do you think kobe's career is that much better than wade's, apart from longevity?

kobe's the better player but i enjoy watching wade play more, he's got more flavor, his game is looser.

longevity matters tho

at their peaks you could def make an argument that wade is better, but kobe has had one of the most productive late career transitions of anyone in history -- i think wade definitely has positioned his game to transition smoothly once his athleticism wanes, but he's not as good of an outside shooter as kobe, so we'll see

but wade def has to be one of the most exciting players ever

wade actually has a higher career TS%, thought kobe's three % might put him over the top

Kobe 5
Wade 1

Both have sexy glass game though.

i'm not saying i'm gonna vote wade def but i think it's a fair question/debate at least - we'll start with defense & these two are/were both all-world wing defenders, kobe probably the better lockdown 2 but wade obv plays at a very high level too and unless i'm overlooking someone is probably the best shot-blocking guard of all-time bar none - offensively they have identical per-game scoring averages while wade has taken 2 fewer shots per game - kobe has the slight edge in rebounds (tho kobe only has one season higher than wade's 10-11 season, could see wade averaging 6 and change for the next 3-5 years no doubt) but wade is a much better passer imo and is more dangerous in the open court and coming off of screens - kobe probably the more complete scorer, being a much better free throw shooter and 3-pt shooter (wade being one of the worst 3pt shooters among elite guards i can remember) but wade with the superior shot selection and field goal percentage

I enjoy watching wade slightly more than Kobe, but yeah as previous posts have said, Kobe is past his prime and wade has a few more years to rock us. So I don't know

wade & kobe are slightly different enough that it's an interesting debate -- they were by far the two most important players on the gold medal team

if you were constructing a 'perfect team' i think i'd lean towards kobe solely because he's a better outside shooter & i think that's important for a two guard

that's a fair point - it's possible i'm overrating the importance of all-around offensive play (ie passing/assists) in favor of wade due to the fact that neither has played with an even above-average point guard for any meaningful time period

yeah, he also only played with an above-average big man for two years, too

crazy that wade never got out of the first round after 06, those heat teams had some real shit players

Wade certainly has abilities that put him in the correct neighborhood to be compared to Kobe, but once you get very far into the comparison the answer becomes fairly clear: Kobe.

A couple of years ago Kobe had about a month when he was putting up crazy numbers, numbers that have never been rivalled by anyone but Wilt, scoring 70 and 80 points per game several times in close succession. Add Kobe's many championships and Wade has too big a hurdle to overcome.

i think at some point counting championships becomes a moot point i.e. if wade retires w/ three titles

How much better would the heat have been with Kidd dealing?

It seems ridiculous in hindsight that the heat were ever favored for the finals considering how they have like no centers.

Besides juwan howard

I mean, the only center they played was Howard right?

Sub center for "really big man" if you want. Sry, drunk

Conveying precise sarcasm through text is such a huge goal of mine

bosh was by far the tallest dude to play significant mins

i think the heat proved that they can win w/o a real center -- chandler played really well, but the heat lost the last few games bcuz their stars played below their average & because they couldn't counter the mavs outside shooting, which is fixable (replacing bibby, working james jones back into the rotation w/ lebron at the four, getting miller healthy) & not fixable (lebron & wade are not great outside shooters)

Yeah hood point. wade-bosh-james-miller-haselem was riley's ideal lineup, right? Seemed to work pretty well. But miami clearly struggled against dallas' size, no? Despite that size being Shawn Marion and Raymond Chandler. Nothing against those guys, it's just that mabs had them (plus custodian lol) and heat had...

Good point, I mean

unless i'm overlooking someone is probably the best shot-blocking guard of all-time bar none

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WX6olX8uzk

wade is prob the best shot blocking guard of all time, yeah

wade has been slightly better on a per healthy year basis, but longevity is kobes best atribute which is considering how many things he does well really saying something, its hard see wade surpassing that as he came into the league older has already had injuries and kobe is still going, but idk get back to me in like 8 years

anyway voted wade out of spite

good vote

wade is prob the best shot blocking guard of all time, yeah

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:08 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

... not based on the numbers. hes certainly never had 131 blocks in a season

haha why does the jordan blocks video lead w/a steal

jordan had a few seasons better than wade's best season, but his block per game numbers tailed off after the first couple years of his career

wade is averaging a block a game for his career & i think he'd be the only guard to do that

watching the young jordan its funny his shorts were considered scandalously long

you know whos a really good shot blocking guard, delonte west, 4 real

the wade block of chandler in game 4 is still one of the most insane & amazing things i've ever seen on a court

jordan was @ 1.02 blks per game after 8 seasons (well, 8.2 counting his injury shortened sophomore year.) 684 blks in 667 games. wade has played 547 games and has 548 blks.

yeah that was nuts xp

wade's got time to sink to the 0.8 MJ averaged for his career though he may not have a strange 2 year comeback after a long layoff either...

jordan prob had more possessions per game than wade because of the faser pace back then just sayin

mj def better cockblocker

true, i'd like to see the math on that

xp?

haha

should have made this end in like 3 years

Kobe but that could change in a few years dammit xpost

re: pace-adjusted blocking statistics, this prob does a decent job of addressing that

jordan's block% in his first eight years - 1.3 2.7 2.3 2.4 1.2 1.1 1.7 1.5
wade - 1.3 2.0 1.5 2.5 1.5 2.8 2.4 2.4

bullllshit

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6802916/nba-kobe-bryant-dwyane-wade-rank-league-top-shooting-guards

1. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers

Thanks to an absolutely tireless work ethic, Bryant is the most skilled player in the league with virtually every weapon at his disposal. His turnaround jump shot is the best since Michael Jordan's, and his footwork is unmatched by any active player. His will to win and focus are unparalleled, making him the single most intense competitor in the game.

He'll be 33 next month, and the soaring poster dunks are fewer and farther between, but that's only made him more dangerous. Over the past five seasons, the extensive work on his back-to-the-basket game has made him one of the best low-post threats in the league, regardless of position. Bryant bases his game not on flashy drives but an economy of movement with as few dribbles as possible in half-court situations. He uses his pivot and shoulder fakes to bait his defender into a mistake, then quickly strikes when he's off-balance. Bryant uses both hands equally well around the rim and is as crafty a passer at the 2 as there is.

But what makes Bryant truly great is his leadership. Although he can be abrasive and demanding at times, he's one of the few 2s who actually raises the performance level of his teammates. If they don't bring it, they won't be on the floor with him very long.

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2. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat

Wade is smack in the middle of his prime and finished the season stronger than anyone at the position. Wade made a run at the top of this list, but he can't match Kobe's shooting, defense or skills in the post. Still, on any given night, Wade can play like the best player on the planet thanks to the most impressive physical tools -- strength, quickness, leaping ability -- of any shooting guard today.

Wade rolls drama and artistry into each foray to the basket. He's become one of the league's great improvisers and routinely makes shots he doesn't practice when defenses collapse on him. All of that artistry is made possible by balance, body control and the kind of hang time that allows him to change hands in the air. Wade's not-so-secret weapon is his vaunted Euro step in which he evades a defender after baiting him in the opposite direction. The move has drawn comparisons to Manu Ginobili's own version, but unlike the Spurs guard, Wade is able to finish with power at the rim as opposed to the runners that Ginobili offers up.

Where Wade really shines is in transition. By using his great breakaway speed and the ability to jump off one leg or two, he's become one of the game's best finishers.

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saying kobe is the better defender in 2011 is pretty absurd

i have no problem with his lists of the best points and small forwards, thought those were pretty otm

'Although he can be abrasive and demanding at times, he's one of the few 2s who actually raises the performance level of his teammates. If they don't bring it, they won't be on the floor with him very long.'

i hear odom bynum fisher et al are etting traded dudes

Eric Gordon at #5 is silly.

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wade

i mean now. over their careers, obv. kobe. didn't think this was the question, since the answer is so obvious.

but if wade wins a few more titles, things might be different.

should have made this end in like 3 5 years

― bite this display name (k3vin k.), Friday, June 17, 2011 7:43 PM (4 months ago)

if wade doesn't fall off dramatically over the next 5-6 years, things might be different

and honestly given he's one of my favorite players i'm pretty pissed at this lockout for that reason - it'll rob him of an important chunk of the tail end of his prime

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fair

wade & kobe are slightly different enough that it's an interesting debate -- they were by far the two most important players on the gold medal team

if you were constructing a 'perfect team' i think i'd lean towards kobe solely because he's a better outside shooter & i think that's important for a two guard

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41 PM (7 months ago)

i was reading parts of 'the book of basketball' last week and simmons picked peak wade over peak kobe

challop

^not really

08-09 wade: 38.6MP 30.2/5.0/7.5/2.2/1.3 .491/.317/.765 30.2 PER
05-06 kobe: 40.1MP 35.4/5.3/4.5/1.8/0.4 .450/.347/.850 28.0 PER

pretty much could go either way, and iirc simmon's point was that since he already had a better kobe (MJ), he wanted someone just as good who could play the all-time full-court press team with

re: shot-blocking, wade's swatting 1.4 shots a game so far this year O_O