Miami Dolphins Thread of Despair

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I'm kinda of a MAC stan and was always rooting for Pennington- its' too bad he was always getting banged up

Yeah the Marino era Dolphis were something else but it was bizarre how Shula could never get a consistent ground game going. In the 70's with Griese the 'phins would throw the ball like 12 times a game.

brownie, Friday, 2 October 2009 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

just checked the box score for the 72 super bowl and griese was 8 for 11. and Earl Morral started 9 games that year at QB for the Dolphins which I can never get my head around

brownie, Friday, 2 October 2009 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

wait hang on

omar little, Friday, 2 October 2009 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

http://dork457.ggot.org/DanMarino.gif

omar little, Friday, 2 October 2009 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

it was bizarre how Shula could never get a consistent ground game going

maybe b/c when you a once-in-a-lifetime QB/squeaky wheel like marino falls in your lap you end up developing an O-line that can maintain a perfect horseshoe pocket for weeks but can't run-block for shit?

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 October 2009 23:26 (fifteen years ago) link

oh no doubt, but it was strange to see a run first type of coach go completely aerial in his philosophy as he got older. He was going with his main strength obv.

brownie, Friday, 2 October 2009 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Like Levy running the single wing with the Chiefs and then going to a no huddle with the Bills. I dunno, Noll and Landry really never changed all that much.

brownie, Friday, 2 October 2009 23:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Tom Landry was pretty much a genius on both sides of the ball. The guy developed the modern 4-3 defense with the Giants and his offense with the Cowboys pretty much put together the modern style offense especially in the passing game by using the shotgun, shifting the setup and putting people in motion.

Marino was a witch. If Miami got the ball back with any time down a score, you pretty much knew your team was screwed, especially if you were a Jets fan. That ropeadope he pulled against the Jets faking the timeout was really cool. I saw him bring the Dolphins back 2 TDs in like 5 minutes against the Colts in person.

earlnash, Saturday, 3 October 2009 00:15 (fifteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHq1P7gccY

brownie, Saturday, 3 October 2009 02:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes, I agree about Landry, but earl can you see Landry going to an entirely pass offense or getting rid of his flex defense? Shula coached Super Bowl teams in the 60's the 70's and changed dramatically when Dan M. started.

Maybe it was the talent available to him at the time.

brownie, Saturday, 3 October 2009 02:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I think Shula is greatest football coach of all time imo btw

brownie, Saturday, 3 October 2009 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link

"the" greatest

god

brownie, Saturday, 3 October 2009 02:32 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm into my 2nd bottle of wine so, um, I'm hedging my bets etc.

brownie, Saturday, 3 October 2009 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm into my 2nd bottle of wine so, um, I'm hedging my bets etc.

in vino at least arguable veritas and shit

iro with the brown bag (Hunt3r), Saturday, 3 October 2009 04:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Cobbs out for the remainder of the season ;_;

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I didn't realize Chad Henne compared favorably to other good young NFL quarterbacks at this stage of his career. Not amazing numbers, by any stretch, but pretty good.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 26 November 2009 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

brandon marshall predicts his best year yet!

hm. miami will be lucky to be 8 -- 8. i think it's more likely we'll be 6 -- 10, and we could start off 1 -- 8.(n.1)

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(n.1) first 9 games: buffalo (probably a win), then vikings, jets, patriots, packers, steelers, bengals, ravens, titans (all of which could be losses).

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't mope. Assuming Ricky and Ronnie didn't get run into an early grave last season, and that Chad Henne keeps improving, there'll be plenty of opportunity for Marshall to catch bombs in the endzone. That's a tough schedule to open the year, but my position as a rubbernecking Dolphins observer has come very close at this point to being an honest fan....so I'm, uh, optimistic?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 26 June 2010 23:21 (fourteen years ago) link

oh, i'm not moping! i'm still recovering psychologically from the 1 -- 15 season. to me, 8 -- 8 is fantastic.

but i'm not excited about henne as a quarterback. something so . . . bland about him, and this team, to me.

Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 26 June 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/26/new-dolphins-logo-is-leaked/

THE DOLPHIN ISN'T WEARING A HELMET ANYMORE! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 05:54 (eleven years ago) link

If anything, they should've made it perfect like this:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/dolpgif16.gif

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 17:52 (eleven years ago) link

this is absolutely terrible

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

yeah horrible news

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

okay destroy this team now

the pheromones of hot clothing (DJP), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/ku-medium.jpg

FAIL

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

wtf it looks like a passenger plane now fffffuuuuuuuuuu

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT

GIVE THE DOLPHIN A HELMET

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

YES ^^THIS!

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

there is so much in football that is NOT awesome

a dolphin in a helmet is awesome. ;_;

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

Pretty much the fall of the Dolphins comes at the same time the Patriots rose to prominence.

You kind of remember them not being that great with Jimmy Johnson and Dave Wannstedt, but really they were average or a playoff team most of the years through them (at least until Wannstedt's last year).

earlnash, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

my memory of the Dolphins in the 90s is mostly Brian Cox spitting at the crowd

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

and now he's a successful assistant coach lol

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:03 (eleven years ago) link

RIP dolphin wearing another team's helmet.

brownie, Thursday, 28 March 2013 12:22 (eleven years ago) link

cannot believe Miami's insensitivity to dolphin head injury risk

Brad C., Thursday, 28 March 2013 12:56 (eleven years ago) link

rip best recursive logo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 28 March 2013 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

ugh new logo ugh

I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 22:36 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington -- —> RT @MiamiDolphins: NEWS: The Miami Dolphins and General Manager Jeff Ireland have mutually agreed to part ways

breaking news.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link

awww i thought this thread was going to be about actual dolphins. Drat.

mean-spirited schadenfreude-loving spewer of sleaze (sunny successor), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:19 (ten years ago) link

actual dolphins form a more dynamic football team than the miami dolphins, so . . .

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link

good call fins

Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ otmfm

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link

I heard his mom is a whore

polyphonic, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link

Per Salguero, Ross wanted to hire someone who would have operated at a level above Ireland, holding most if not all of the authority Ireland currently possesses. Though Salguero names no names, many will speculate that Ross wanted to install former Chiefs G.M. Carl Peterson in that role.

Why not just fire the guy, dummy

polyphonic, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link

here's my thought. weeks ago, ross assured ireland he was safe. ross values loyalty and keeping a promise. so here, at this crossroads, he says "i'll honor my promise to keep ireland," but then imposes conditions that prompt ireland to leave. actually savvy, if intentional.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:46 (ten years ago) link

but ugh to peterson as "football czar," by the way.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 23:47 (ten years ago) link

once again, the dolphins are the nfl's least-interesting on-the-field product, and the nfl's most-interesting off-the-field product.

January 08, 2014

Armando Salguero

More history, fallout from Ireland vs. DawnJoe

If you've been following my recounting of the dysfunction within the Dolphins late last season you understand why the relationship between general manager Jeff Ireland and coach Joe Philbin was broken. You understand why this team may struggle to hire the most gifted and serious general manager candidate available.

Now let me give you more history. Let me give you more background on the dysfunction to help you understand its genesis.

I already shared what caused the rift between Ireland and Philbin. I blame both parties for that rift. Grown men, professional men, who have the same goal at heart should be able to sit down and have frank discussions about what troubles them about their relationship. Obviously that's in a perfect world.

The Dolphins facility is far from that world.

And part of the problem points directly to executive vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte. It seems that when Bill Parcells hired Aponte to be Miami's capologist in Feb. 2010 he brought in a tough and experienced corporate in-fighter. She is clearly adept at forming alliances. And when she sees a threat, she is well capable of attacking it.

Ireland was a threat to her, according to sources who called me this morning.

Ireland was her boss when she joined the team four years ago. But after Parcells left in October 2010, she lost her chief sponsor. And she wasn't comfortable with Ireland as her supervisor. So soon after Joe Philbin was hired, Aponte decided she and the new coach could bond and that alliance could strengthen each person's position within the organization.

Aponte, club sources say, also found ways to ingratiate herself to owner Stephen Ross. Nothing wrong with that. He's the boss. She would often ask to join Ross on his private jet flights back to New York from home games, often citing a need to handle club business at the league office in New York.

Aponte, a former league and New York Jets employee, apparently used the face time with Ross and the help of Jay Cross, a Related Company president and a former New York Jets president, to convince the owner of her value and how she should not be under Ireland's supervision.

Ireland, seeing this, asked Ross to fire Aponte. Ross didn't go for it and, indeed, after mulling the matter, actually promoted Aponte from Senior VP of Football Operations to her current Executive VP role. And in so doing, Ross doubled Aponte's salary. And got her out from under Ireland's umbrella. And Aponte joined parts of the coach search of 2012 that led to Philbin's hiring after Jeff Fisher turned the Dolphins down cold.

Knowing that Ireland had tried to get her fired, Aponte turned her sights on the GM. The relationship between the two, professional and even cordial in public at league meetings and alike, was a struggle for power behind the scenes.

Aponte, strengthened by her alliance with Philbin, had been winning that struggle for quite some time. She made herself very visible, attending practically every practice. She met with Philbin to advise on how to handle the media before every weekday press conference -- that meeting sometimes taking longer than the actual press conference. She attended the coach's show and made sure the questions were positive and gave Philbin an opportunity to shine. She edited the videos the team posted on its website of the Philbin postgame speech to the players.

(Unfortunately for Philbin, she didn't think to cut out the part where coach needed to read off index cards to deliver his address).

The bottom line is now Philbin and Aponte -- fresh off a victory over the last general manager -- want to make sure the next general manager is not truly empowered. The last thing they want is for Ross to hire a guy who will have the power to hire and perhaps fire Philbin and or Aponte.

They want a puppet person that will merely evaluate talent and handle the draft and keep his mouth shut and business to himself.

But as I've shared already the best candidates for a general manager job may not bite because 1. They don't want to get involved in the Dolphins office politics and/or 2. They want to have the power and autonomy to bring their own people and perhaps get rid of the current people if that's what they think is best.

So keep a close eye on what is about to happen next with this hire. If Ross hires a strong GM with authority to hire and fire Philbin and/or Aponte, then the duo has lost favor. But if Ross promotes Aponte to GM or hires someone who is merely a personnel guy but not the general manager in power as well as title then the DawnJoe has won and runs the show.

There is a third option and that's the czar approach the Dolphins have used before, as well, with that person over everyone. But that's for another day.

Stay tuned.

Armando Salguero

Would Gamble, others join snakepit hijinks?

The leading contender for the Dolphins vacant general manager position?

Tom Gamble, the vice president of player personnel for the Philadelphia Eagles.

And if the Dolphins were a stable, well-led, functional franchise, I'd say they would have a great chance to get him. Gamble is eager to be contacted and would be happy to listen to the Dolphins, according to a source.

But ...

As I write in my column in today's Miami Herald the Dolphins are not exactly a model franchise. The Dolphins had issues internally part of the 2013 season, with sniping and backstabbing going on at the highest levels of the football operations.

Jeff Ireland vs. Joe Philbin.

Dawn Aponte vs. Jeff Ireland.

Aponte and Philbin forming a bond and alliance that ultimately helped bring down Miami's general manager. And whatever you think of that -- be you glad Ireland is finally gone or sad because you don't believe professionals should engage in such snakepit hijinks -- the drama matters.

Because word of the drama is already making the NFL rounds. People in franchises like the Washington http://images.chron.com/blogs/askacat/hatcat.JPG, places with issues of their own, are aware of the issues the Dolphins had this year. I know this for a fact.

And the problem with that is simple: If Stephen Ross wants to hire the best and brightest individual as his next general manager, will he be able to gloss over his team's reputation to get that guy? Will he be able to provide assurances that the next GM won't be fighting an alliance of the coach and executive VP for football administration like the last GM had to?

Another thing:

The Philbin-Aponte axis is almost certainly going to work toward getting a weak GM to the Dolphins. The last thing Philbin wants is for Ross to give the next GM the power to fire him after the 2014 season is over. So Philbin wants his pal Aponte over that GM. He wants that hire to be just a talent evaluator with the title of GM but not the full weight of power that title suggests.

And again ... if Ross agrees that is the way to go, what great GM is he going to land?

It's the Dolphins doing Dolphins things.

so awesomely dysfunctional

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 21:40 (ten years ago) link

that cat thing wasn't in the original article, by the way. but i like it.

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link

that cat thing wasn't in the original article

Would it be possible to create an internet-wide autoreplace?

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link


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