Miami Dolphins Thread of Despair

Ha! That WV thing was a prank started by a blogger that got spread around.

If true, I fell for it. I give Saban two more years at Alabama.

Bleh, I hate Saban. The way he handled his exit from the Dolphins was so crass. Hectoring reporters about questioning his intentions while simultaneously (and quietly) flirting with Alabama, and telling reporters afterwards that he would have stayed if Wayne Hizinga asked him to, when -- in reality -- he told Hizinga, "Look, I want to go. I don't want to stay. But if you insist on it, I'll honor my contract and stay." Stay classy, Nick Saban.

I'd forgotten about that Parcells tidbit, Kevin. You're right. It doesn't reflect well on him. Well, I'm happy about his arrival; for now.

I don't understand why coaches have some holy responsibility to be loyal to their bosses like this is fucking old skool Japan or some such shit

If somebody offered me a 75% raise and full relocation expenses to do the same work I'm doing now you'd bet I'd bolt, you would too, and really, that's how the world goes around

I don't understand why coaches have some holy responsibility to be loyal to their bosses like this is fucking old skool Japan or some such shit

They don't, Tom. I don't begrudge Saban for leaving. It way the way he left that was tasteless and undignified. He didn't have to admit he was considering leaving -- nor should he have -- but he also didn't have to treat reporters, who were clearly onto something, like schoolchildren, and he didn't have to repeatedly lie about his situation, even after he was gone and his lies were clearly exposed.

i didn't really have a problem with they way he left. if he said "i'm taking the job" he would have been skewered a la petrino for doing it in the middle of the season. if he said "well i'm considering it" he would have been constantly pestered with questions abt whether or not he is distracted. i think he handled it about as well as a type of thing like that could be handled tbh. ppl here trash talk saban out of bitterness (understandable i guess) and bcuz they find it appropriate to deal with the shittiness of our team by mocking saban. it's very playgroundy and really tiresome, which is one of about 652 reasons why i can't stomach to listen to sports radio in this town.

Mind you, I'm not looking to defend him (nor does he need it). I'm just asking/wondering aloud. Saban -- by contrast -- is a snake, by the way he handled his exit from the Dolphins. The Falcons coach, too.

RONG.

saban's only real misstep with the bama stuff was how he addressed it w/the media. he was 100% up front and honest with Heizininngigna about the fact that he was looking for a way out. it appears that Parcells had an agreement in principle w/the Falcons, who were negotiating in good faith. backing out of it wz kind of a bitch move.

i'm not mad tho, cuz now the FLACONGS are lookin at MARRRRRTY who is the dude i wanted all along~

saban's only real misstep with the bama stuff was how he addressed it w/the media. he was 100% up front and honest with Heizininngigna about the fact that he was looking for a way out.

I'm not sure where you read this. It's my understanding that, until close to the end, Saban was assuring Huizinga that he was staying, then when he suddenly announced that he'd been offered the Tide job and wanted it, he gave Huizinga a Hobson's choice: "I want to go, but since I'm under contract, I'll have to stay if you want me to." Then, since Huizinga did the only thing he really could do, Saban turned around and told the media: "I asked permission to go and the Dolphins said okay." That, of course -- along with so many other things Saban said -- wasn't true.

Certainly Saban's conduct is no better than Parcell's with the Falcons (Parcells didn't actually have that job yet).

Or, to be more clear: That, of course -- along with so many other things Saban said -- wasn't really true, and Saban certainly wasn't being candid or forthcoming.

i can't stomach to listen to sports radio in this town.

Agreed. Hank Goldberg is worth listening to -- not his callers, but him (n.1) -- but I think he's leaving his local station (WQAM).

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(n.1) I liked Goldberg because he's knowledgeable and he seems to work instead of just spout offhanded armchair analysis. Most of the sports-talk show hosts here are just blowhards who appeal to the lowest common denomenator.

he got fired.

I thought I read in the Miami Herald that the station asked Goldberg to take a substantial pay cut and, not surprisingly, he refused and left the station. What you said implies something different to me.

Why was Goldberg fired? Was it some on-air incident?

Here's the Herald Story

Will Parcells Keep Cameron?

There is an indecisiveness about Cameron that is, at times, maddening.

There is a meekness that comes across, even through the television screen, and can't possibly inspire his players to follow him -- especially not after this disastrous season.

There is just something there that makes you say, ``Good offensive coordinator, not head coach material.''

That's exactly how I've felt about Cameron all season.

parcells is on espn right now debating the 72 fins v. 07 pats but i'm going to refuse to listen.

Cameron has put his team in holes at many times. The whole time management thing is just something he doesn't get.

I missed most of the Patriots game. I was in the middle of a caroling gig and saw the first 1.5 quarters in Chilis...then had to depart.

will be at next week's game.

Being as big biz as he is, I'm sure the owner of the Falcons has f'xd over people a heck of a lot worse than Parcells did to him last week.

Say what you will, Parcells has never left a club in worse shape than when he came on board.

I'd say Cameron has a 50/50 shot, depending how the interviews with him go and how much he can shape the coaching staff. Parcells is old Army coaching buddies with Bobby Knight, who coached Cameron as a b-ball player at IU and was credited with helping Cam get the Hoosier head football coach position. Cameron wasn't that successful at wins/losses at IU, but the offense led by Antwaan Randle El could put up some points.

Either way, you know Parcells will put one of his ex-defensive coaches in place as coordinator, which is probably one of the best things he can offer.

Say what you will, Parcells has never left a club in worse shape than when he came on board.

Not a high bar with Your Miami Dolphins, circa 2007.

i didnt really follow the dolphins so much this year so i cant speak on cameron really, but one thing i will say is that it's a loooot easier to nitpick when the onfield performance is so horrific. two guys i loved to rag on last year, jon gruden and jack del rio, are in the playoffs this year and are coaching some very good football teams. i still think gruden is garbage, but it's harder to argue with a straight face that he's the worst coach in football. bobby petrino is a guy who i could nitpick to death but without seeing what he would've done with the team given a couple years of growth, it's all just sorta... ehh. i dunno. i'm a little drunk. i just think all this peripheral stuff about a coach's, like, DEMEANOR only really comes up when their teams are tanking. cameron might have a lot of good qualities as a HC we dont know about. or mb he's str8 up garbage~

i agree w/ cankles re: demeanor and motivational abilities and that whole gray area of stuff as fans we can only speculate on best. has cam made (or at least overseen) some suspect playcalls at various points this year? yeah. but shit, cleo has w/o a doubt improved over the season (past 2 games even!!), ginn is gradually making plays, jason allen is a viable starter now and he's gotten a decent haul out of chatman/booker etc.

i think romeo crennel is a pretty good example of a dude who has undoubtedly turned around his franchise for the better after a stretch of 3-4 (idk his term exactly) of shitty seasons (i actually called him the worst coach in football in some thread b4 the season). derrick anderson, winslow, edwards have all improved over the years to the point where they are all playing at pro bowl levels. NOT TO MENTION crennel has a pretty dialed-down "demeanor" liek ppl accuse of cam.

i think at the end of 3 years if cleo/beck, ronnie, ginn, j allen/other young players + whoever our next picks are don't make obvious improvement on the field then let cam go, but i think 3 years is the period for a coach. i don't doubt for a sec that cam knows his shit.

and ppl down here like to rip on cam's personnel decisions i.e. saying ronnie might not be the starter @ the beginning of the year, not playing booker right away etc. and i find most of that to be complete bullshit in the sense that it took bledsoe to get hurt b4 we ever knew who brady was and that the same dude who picked ryan leaf also traded vick for LT/brees etc. etc. etc. etc.

profootballtalk.com has posted a rumor about Parcells stealing Crennel away from Cleveland. That's goofy even for those guys.

Ok, I'm awake now to get ready for the Fins game. I pray to God we're not wasting another trip!

I pray to God we're not wasting another trip!

You wasted another trip. Cam/Cam's on the clock.

Yep, we did waste another trip. But I didn't dislike it as much this time--now that we had our one win out of the way I was just happy to see some touchdowns.

The Bungle fans were talking a LOT of smack for a team that was 6-9 coming in. That would have been like me talking shit to Raiders fans last year.

The Bungle fans were talking a LOT of smack for a team that was 6-9 coming in.

i think when one team has five more wins than the other in a 16 game season you can safely talk all the smack you want.

No, I really don't think anybody that can't be bothered to win more games than it loses in a season should be talking smack to anybody, even if they are worse. It's basically saying "You suck! We suck too, but you just suck more!"

I sure as hell wasn't talking trash to anybody last year.

Especially at such an easy target as Miami. Dolphin fans are harsher on the team than any opponent could ever hope to be.

the coach that lost to you guys got fired

hilarious

disappointed dolphins didnt go winless - i wanted that symmetry

our coach might be fired too. I'm not usually for first year firings but Cam often looked like he needed smelling salts on the sideline.

I'm tired of us hiring people without NFL coaching experience or a track record. Yes, some of them do go on to be successful, but I think at this stage we need someone we know the book on a little bit.

the coach that lost to you guys got fired

Yeah. But he was a genius about 5 seasons ago, yes? He was also pretty good last year, when the Ravens went 13-3. But I see why he was fired.

And, BJO, Cam/Cam in all likelihood will be fired this week. And he should be.

Cam's just going to keep making excuses not to meet up with Parcells. He'll sell his television, cell phone, and cancel his newspaper subscription.

He'll even show up during the draft and wonder why somebody else is there with a lapel that says "Coach".

No. He'll face Parcells, and soon. If what I've seen of him is an indication, he'll mostly blame injuries, an overestimated talent pool on the Dolphins, and admit some bland level of accountability for his game managment mistakes.

None of it will be enough. He'll be fired.

The injury card pisses me off because Miami wasn't playing well BEFORE the onslaught of injuries began.

Granted, the injuries in the secondary began right as the season opened, but Miami's offense was pretty healthy until Trent went down, then it became a snowball effect.

And Miami wasn't stopping the run WITH Zach in the lineup.

idk dudes i'd rather givie cam 2 more years tbh than bring in another unproven coach and hope his 3 year plan works esp. if that dude is the offensive line coach of the cowboys

here's your future
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i mean when does this cycle of coaches being here for 1-2 years going to stop. if one miraculously goes 6-10 in his first year??? bcuz when parcells inevitably leaves in 3 years after we go 8-8 where does that leave us and our sopranos-extra of a coach??

A: where we are right now

I don't want to bring in another unproven coach either but I don't see how Cam is any better.

He looked overwhelmed out there on the sidelines and he telegraphed his playcalls frequently. Some will say out of necessity, I will say that's being a chickenshit coach.

and fyi I'm usually not a proponent of firing a coach in his first year but I didn't see much of an improvement throughout the year and the team seemed to be playing well below its talent level at the beginning of the year.

aka, revisionists have demonized Saban, but that 2005 was a team that played above its talent level, and even at 3-7 I supported him before the improbable 6 game winning streak.

Not downplaying what Saban did was wrong but it's amazing that he was suddenly the worst coach of all time after he left.

what is going to be soprano's excuse when we go 3-13 next year??? shit just happens in the nfl where sometimes the quality of the coach doesn't matter all that much. cam was probably the most sought after OC when he was in san diego and we're going to kick him out after a year? idk

all i'm saying is:
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BASICALLY WHAT ALL MY CONVOLUTED POSTS WANT TO SAY IS:
someone has to be here for 2-3 minimum to turn this thing around. why not let it be cam?? who has better credentials that's out there right now?? a great sought-after coordinator? that's what cam was!!! are they going to fire him bcuz they don't like his 'demeanor'?? plenty of stoic coaches are successful.

what is going to be soprano's excuse when we go 3-13 next year???

He won't have an excuse. This is a bad team. Parcells knows it. The Dolphins management -- finally -- knows and accepts it. These diminished (and realistic) expectations lay the groundwork for a bad 2008/2009 campaign without the coach needing to be fired afterward.

But Cam/Cam needs to go. First, he either misapprehended or wasn't forthcoming about the Dolphins talent level (he likely did this so he could tell the Dolphins' owner that Miami was close to being a playoff team (something Wayne wanted to hear from the last several coaches)). Second, he bet wrong on Trent Green. Now, mistakes of that sort can be made, but Green ultimately got hurt with exactly the type of injury that made him a question mark in the offseason. Third, he mismanaged the clock and personnel (e.g., keeping Lorenzo Booker on the sidelines for most of the season). Fourth, he doesn't have the respect of his players (from what I read in the Herald) and doesn't inspire confidence (from what I've seen at his post-game conferences).

I understand the desire for coaching and philosophical stabiliy, I really do. But the value you get from such stabilty has to be weighed against the damage done by having the wrong coach. Cam/Cam has to go.

Denny Green is out there. Just sayin'.

No thx.

I wonder if Parcells would work with Marty.