here's a pats thread for everyone to talk about patritos shit because nobody else cares

i like basketball but there's too many games. idk why that is such a barrier for me but i can't get invested in individual games when i try and can't get past just being a playoff watcher. also, the learning curve is steep, i already knew about football since a kid but i knew nothing at all about basketball prior to rocking up here.

college sports idk, giant cultural barrier, cannot contemplate taking seriously

thing about football is, it's great. i do rue all of the shit that sucks about it tho.

ok i cannot resist b/c this is the first time i saw these...here are two footnotes from the wells report:

Footnote 11 page 35
The guidelines stated that: “Prior to each game, a team‟s equipment manager will prepare 12 footballs to be used for non-kicking downs. The footballs will have the prior approval of the team‟s quarterback, who can briefly test them the preceding week, but the balls cannot be used during midweek or pregame practice sessions. These footballs will be delivered to the officials‟ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to game time. The Referee will insure that they are properly inflated and give final approval for their use. Game balls approved for a previous game can be submitted, provided they meet the standards of a new ball. The home team will prepare another 12 balls in the event of inclement weather or other reasons.” Under the current guidelines, a referee also may reject footballs in the course of a game if he determines that they are in “unsatisfactory condition.”

Footnote 21 page 41
During our investigation, we also obtained information concerning the football preparation process used by the Colts. Colts personnel informed us that, like the Patriots, they take new footballs and rub them with a wet or warm towel to remove the outer preservative, followed by brushing with the same brushes provided by Wilson. Footballs are then used during practice, with the expectation that normal wear and tear on the footballs, and their interaction with players‟ sweat, will help break in the balls. Sean Sullivan, the Colts Equipment Manager, explained that, in his view, the best way to soften the leather is for the footballs to interact with sweat during practice and then get baked in the sun. The Colts repeat the brushing and baking process, and continue to practice with the footballs as they are broken in, until they reach a certain point, when they will be set aside for potential game use. The footballs will be inflated to a pressure between 12.9 and 13.05 psi prior to being inspected by Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who typically selects his game balls two days before each game. The designated balls are placed into ball bags and kept locked in the Colts equipment room until their pressure is checked again shortly before being delivered to the game officials.

that'll be a 1st round pick, sorry guys

can't spell "parity" without patrito(y)

I think it's entirely possible that Brady was involved. I don't think the Wells Report proved it whatsoever (he "probably" did it, not good enough). as much as it benefits my Fins to have him out four games, as a fan of the game, it gives me a bad taste for this arbitrary punishment for something so silly (that they didn't even prove).

bah....replace Goodell with Kato Kaelin

goodell: brady trashed cell phone

100% brady recycled his phone and SIM when upgrading

― Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nfl sez it was the day-of wells coming to investigate that he destroyed it

which, still, he prob just had sum good nudez he didn't want the nfl to leak

http://markatlarge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/rob-gronkowski-naked3.jpg

had to protect his buddy

well he didn't have to shave his buddy

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/even-tom-brady-smash-phone-itd-make-zero-sense/

Subject: RE: Winter Pool Cover
From: Tom Brady
Date: Wed, October 22, 2014 3:52 pm
To: Ben Rawitz

What kind of morons don’t have white cover. Can we check with another company

From the salon article polyphonic linked:

"The digital trail our phones leave behind long outlive the physical device itself, and the league could have potentially tracked down the information in a number of ways..."

The article fails to mention what those "number of ways" would be, but rather mentions a number of places the data might be stored, which is different, because the NFL is not a law enforcement agency and has no subpoena power. So I'm not sure whether they would have any legal means to acquire such data, even though it would undoubtedly still be stored somewhere.

the point is that the destruction of the phone is not relevant to them getting that data.

Which the article doesn't actually establish. If the phone, with data, had been surrendered for inspection, the data would certainly have been placed in the NFL's possession. The bare fact that the data still exists doesn't prove the NFL could access it now by any means in their power.

brady needs to allow the nfl access to the data or be compelled to do so, regardless of where it's stored.

Brady can reasonably say that he is not in possession of the data. He doesn't control the servers where it would now be stored. Anyway, the NFL decided it had enough evidence to draw a conclusion without the phone data.

Now, if Brady were to sue in court over the suspension, perhaps the NFL could pursue the phone data through discovery. So far, Brady has only pursued his appeal under the collective bargaining agreement, as far as I know.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/05/roger-goodell-misled-me-brady-appeal-transcript-shows/

http://www.theonion.com/article/patriots-tired-jimmy-garoppolo-beginning-every-hud-51022?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

https://twitter.com/_JakeRussell/status/630038112257867776

feelings

oh lol, image tagged a twitter link, not bad

https://twitter.com/_JakeRussell/status/630038112257867776

https://twitter.com/PPVSRB

some good quotes here. judge seems to believe it is likely that deflation occurred (no mention of allowed range tho) and that brady was at least aware of it. skeptical of anything more than that, in particular that the nfl has any actual evidence of brady's involvement or of any 'conspiracy'. nfl response shows they have literally nothing: we think deflation occurred, brady is qb, QED.

nflpa lawyer seems to be a dickhead tho, which could swing the case.

nfl response shows they have literally nothing

I think its more accurate to say that the nfl has circumstantial evidence, but no direct evidence. Given what has been established as fact, one may deduce a limited number of scenarios that fit those facts. A few of those scenarios exculpate Brady, but most would not.

This kind of reasoning would not be sufficient in a criminal trial, but the NFL isn't putting Brady in prison, either. afaics, they are claiming only that a preponderance of the evidence supports their conclusion and that's good enough.

The only real question here is whether the league's actions are allowed under the collective bargaining agreement. If they are allowed, then the 4-game suspension sticks. If not, then he plays.

surprisingly little on process tho, really just allowing the sides to restate their respective cases, which for the nfl is just that cba = rog can do what he wants, which hasn't worked before but doesn't mean it won't work now.

as far as "Given what has been established as fact" and "preponderance of the evidence" go, i guess you have access to some info the rest of us don't

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMOYcQ4WoAA2MT-.jpg

what is Robert durst doing there

I think Brady is going to walk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwSlEvG0ngo

CHILLS

also that first cut of patricia is hilarious

Right?

latest brady judge quotes make it clear there is no way if he is forced to a ruling that the suspension will stand, even if you allow for some rhetoric with him trying to push the nfl towards settlement.

i will be sad when this is resolved whatever the outcome because it has been at least a little distraction from the miserable reality that the pats lost two gdamn draft picks over this weak shit

http://www.stradleylaw.com/bob-mcnair-deflategate-comments/

imo owners would be advised to keep this whole thing at arms length to avoid getting shit on their sports coat by association. for some i'm sure it is hard to suppress their glee at the stitch up.

brady freed

for now at least

lol

i cant see how it would matter even if the league did appeal, which, like...god just let this die

that said it does allow the pats to soldier on like the automatons of corporate nobility kraft wants them to be, was kinda hoping this would make them into truly vicious heels who might actually be entertaining as a result

truly vicious heels who might actually be entertaining

wait, they aren't?

looking at comments from pats fans and can see cogs slowly but slowly turning as they realize that no the draft picks aren't coming back and kraft fucked them over by laying down on the team punishment

[pounds sam adams]

canyon between brady appealing as a player and the team fighting their part of course but the angry mob won't pick up on that

xps mook i dunno, they're a team whose slogan last year was "do your job," that's pretty neutered and corporate imo, kraft's corrupt oligarch status is villainous but in the same banal fashion

like this is an absurd sport, it deserves more comic book villains in its repertoire, resurrect al davis imo

[pounds sam adams]

― lag∞n, Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:47 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha damn man its early in colorado, hope you have the day off

love itttt

I don't like the Pats but I'm pretty happy about this really

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_LlrtWIAEsESW.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_IHa_XAAAlGKU.png