here's a pats thread for everyone to talk about patritos shit because nobody else cares

so you don't think that he would have preferred to wait until after this year when he could have tagged jimmy, tried to sign him to a contract (longshot admittedly) or at worst trade him under the tag? do you find it a little bit interesting that he didn't solicit offers or call anyone but the niners?

trading under the tag gives them even less leverage because everyone knows they can't keep him on the books, and of course it burns the tag. idk about the detail on how the offer went down, it is interesting and at least plausible. but it still doesn't follow that if that part is entirely accurate then it somehow indicates bill's hand was forced.

yeah i mean if you tagged him you would have so little leverage you might have to let a top young qb prospect go for a second round draft pick or something like that!

"They were disappointed," Reiss said of the fans' reaction to sending Cassel and Vrabel to KC for a second round pick. "They had visions of maybe a first round pick, multiple firsts. They were disappointed it was only a second round pick. They thought it was a fleece job.

that was a decade ago the market has changed considerably imo

@AdamSchefter Reports breaking from Foxboro that #Patriots star Tom Brady was so upset at not being named player of the week by coach Bill Belichick that he reportedly left an "upper decker" in the toilet of Belichick's private bathroom in the team facilities...more to come

lmao brady and his grifter trainer

quit talking greasy or u gonna get snuffed by soft tissue goons #tb12mobb

it seems entirely plausible if not likely to me that brady viewed this season as an inflection point in which the pats had to choose him or jimmy g moving forward and so he went to kraft and said "if it's me then trade him"

this feels like a bad plot from a basic cable show season 8 episode. The grifter trainer as the big bad vs overall series villain.

a complicating factor of the trade is i'm still unclear exactly how teams are supposed to know how good another team's back up QB is... i doubt they're judging just on the 4 games he played when brady was suspended and some preseason games. there must be some teams that have intel on the quality of certain teams back ups based on which circles of gossip they're privy too, so i dunno if there existed an open trade market for jimmy the way it would for a player who people had actually seen play like more than 5 games of pro football before.

but i think by all reports they turned down way more for jimmy at other points. the cassell comparison doesn't really hold for me bcuz i'm sure the pats knew they were getting a steal with that one and were getting ripped off with this one.

also... what a coincidence that brady has been borderline awful in december... it's almost as if he knew he was hanging on by a thread and if BB saw the conclusion to this season he'd choose jimmy...

I don't really care much about messy Pats drama but I will read about Brady's quack trainer all day, I love him

reading between some lines here but i think the quack trainer was very likely the source for brady's various grievances in the piece.

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well that's settled

its a fallacy

THIS WHOLE SCENE IS FUCKING FALLACIOUS MAN

i know people crave Patriots schadenfreude real bad but c'mon, both Brady and Belichick likely only have two years left (at most), Kraft is like 80. they've all been together for like two decades and they have five Super Bowls. "is this the beginning of the end"....come on folks.

the thing you dont understand is they need this more than we do

brady is going to lose his shit when he sees he was listed third on the official statement

I had never actually seen a picture of Jimmy G. before, holy shit

Brady has noted to staff a few times this year that, no matter how many game-changing throws he makes, Belichick hasn't awarded him Patriot of the Week all year.

lol

TS: TB12 vs. Goop

the bb/tb dynamic is 100% football dad withholds approval and little tom tries even harder for it

this is not quite as juicy as I was hoping for

put on espn nfl show b/c randy moss <3 and they're STILL talking about this story.

i have a sub to bedard's boston sports site as well & pretty much believe his take on it - everybody has a point, they'll figure it out, belichick gets paid $$ to find and draft the next guy up because the timing didn't work out on keeping jimmy g.

i thought one of the important points was, since belichick doesn't tell ANYONE what he's planning to do there's rampant speculation and lots of ppl on edge in the organization.

and i get why brady would be upset since he's obvs hyper aware that bill will trade anyone with no warning and that his contract's cap hit next season without a restructure/renewal is more than the team would want to pay.

the thing about guerrero vs the pats trainers.. ok guerrero is seen as a whack job by a lot of people now but i also wonder.. from following this team closely for the past ten years, wasn't there a huge issue with brady's ACL recovery after effectively following team instructions and it didn't go well? and this NYT article from a couple years ago said brady had some other issue back around 05/06 and the team told him to go have a tendon cut to relieve pain (!). just kind of wonder if the team's trainers (ie most/all nfl trainers) tend to give direction that the way they've always done it, but maybe not in the long term interests of the player.

i believe in my heart that bill was planning on trading brady in the offseason and he considered it the culmination of his career and greatest accomplishment

and the breakup rumors are true because brady sniffed out the plan and outmaneuvered bill which is the greatest insult imaginable

bill simmons had an interesting pod with francesca about this...bill sort of falls somewhere in the middle. his thing is he finds it hard to believe that belichick would ever take that order from kraft, or that kraft would actually issue it

thank you for listening to bill simmons so i don't have to :)

just saw a tv ad for "12 Strong" & every time an action movie comes out around the playoffs i'm like, is this the annual mark wahlberg us vs everybody movie for the pats team outing

hard to believe that belichick would ever take that order from kraft, or that kraft would actually issue it

easy for me to believe that belichick would be made to understand what kraft wanted without literally being told. an order delivered with plausible deniability for all. deniable not only to the outside world, but even to themselves.

idk why its hard to imagine kraft saying brady is retiring a patriot and thats that he does own the team

yeah i believe it's much more likely kraft said "brady is a retiring a patriot" than "trade jimmy" even if the end result is the same.

i support brady retiring a pat and also he shd do it within the next year or two prob

although as long as hes playing good.....

it wld be pretty incredible from a decline of american football perspective if he got caught juicing after all this

If youre good they let you do it

feels like there's no incentive for anyone to really looking into juicing in football but if they did brady would be a good place to start

man hes just using muscle elongation

tbqh considering the strain football puts on the body itd make sense to allow some juicing for recovery purposes

def

supervised juicing

we can call it "sprucing" just to eliminate bad connotations

i have no idea what i'm watching

i have no idea what i'm watching

http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2018/01/sean_harrington_patriots_engin_1.html

this is ultimately thin on substance but p interesting nonetheless, about the software engineer in NE's personnel dept and automating player and charting data collection

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these sleeves man. this guy is just an incredible troll. amazing

sexi man

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excerpt from PFF's new 'qb annual'. would love to see the rest of this and i like PFF a lot but i have a cherished internet policy of parasitism and i try to never pay for any content