the nathan peterman 2018 regular season nfl thread

wb thursday nites

foles with another reception!

it's going to be lots of bad football all around for at least three weeks isn't it

dude you cannot be taking sacks in these situations

feel like I'm growing out of the NFL, I just did not care about this game at all and outside of the return of the Philly special it sounds like it really sucked

last season was like this too wasn't it? may be a good time to just bet the under on every game

only watched through 3 quarters but yeah that was a bad game. september being preseason 2 does seem to really be a thing in the modern nfl. overall last season was on balance a very good one in terms of entertainment tho, imo anyway. and worth remembering the last game before this one had 74 points.

the officiating was really bad but the game itself had some exciting moments. it was a low scoring game which is a bummer but actually it was a pretty close score to the post-season game btwn them last year so not totally unexpected. and it ended with an almost identical drive and failure to connect with julio for the td to win as that game so there was some nice symmetry too. some of the eagles defensive stops were impressive - darby looked unstoppable. ajayi looks really good. passing game was anemic on philly's side and it looks like atlanta's entire offense is julio jones and they for some reason can march down the field at will but cannot score in the red zone. kinda a weird game. obv thrilled about the result.

atl were p garbage on offense, ryan poor and playcalling as bad as the worst parts of last season. feels like something potentially special there could be squandered if they don't get their shit together. but at the same time eagles D looked p nice again, best until in the game by a ways and not looking they're set with 1 ring. philly offense will be clever even when they're not particularly good.

4 inches of rain expected on Sunday in Clevo with the Steelers coming to town.

nice, that's real football.

i'm going to foxboro sunday for the texans :D

ryan missed a lot of makeable throws, especially in the red zone. they have too much talent on offense to look that discombobulated in opposing territory.

is there a definitive piece out there on how Bad Football has become immune to serious critique and has become a significant part of the nfl's remaining entertainment value? the number of chuckle-y, eyerolling pieces i've seen today that are like "lol no one knows what a catch is, the officiating is terrible, both of these teams sucked, yay football is back!" seems even higher than usual. does this have analogues in other sports? i'm struggling to think of any.

i can't recall seeing an article that made that argument. i'd speculate what you're observing is more a change in the way ppl talk about football (impact internet/social media etc) than there being more Bad Football per se, or it being given more of a pass.

i think it started on the internet but ime it's made several inroads to more mainstream media (e.g. sports talk radio) and started to filter down to the fanbase as a whole, and it's not going to be easy to put it back in the box. the visibility of something like a catch rule that is unenforceable even with replay isn't lost on anyone, and i feel like collectively there is just a lot of throwing up of hands about that problem. idk maybe there are purists out there for whom bad football actually detracts from their enjoyment. i would love to hear from them!

i don't think there's (much) more bad football these days although roster construction favoring young players plus lack of practice time is going to continue to gnaw.

i agree, i meant internet as a starting point, but it has definitely colored football talk across media now. it comes with the ever finer granularity of analysis imo - more of each game is being watched, and with more discernment. when 32 teams are all getting real exposure, you realize that most of them are part- or all the way garbage, and always have been. it's a weird game that's hard to play and complex, which increases the opportunities for players and officials to look bad. and the complexity demands specialization, which in turn means no one gets a break for being on the field and doing anything subpar, unlike maybe a shooting guard who can't play defense, or a pitcher who can't hit.

barnwell has a thing about disproving the recurring claims over the years that football is getting worse that i recall being generally convincing, with appropriate caveats for the rigor of his analysis.

catch rule situation is a str8 disgrace tho, no excuses there.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/07/seattle-seahawks-dismantling-rift-russell-wilson-pete-carroll

this is v interesting. article is mostly balanced on the cause of the seahawks' implosion, although the primary sources are the players who are blaming carroll/the FO/wilson to an extent. but...kind of sounds like the players in question are assholes and probably the real problem? would be interested in other ppl's takes, not convinced of my read but several of the player quotes rubbed me the wrong way.

richard sherman and russell wilson both seem insufferable in very different ways. the rest of it is noise, seattle had their 5-year window like just about every elite roster does. the idea that people were asked to treat wilson differently at a time when he hadn't really earned that right rings true but this is all about age, injuries, and salaries.

BEREA, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns are turning to an undrafted rookie who failed a drug test at the scouting combine as the initial replacement for Joe Thomas at left tackle.

;-)

nice, that's real football.
i'm going to foxboro sunday for the texans :D
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, September 7, 2018 11:24 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RS, do you live in Boston?

for the last 12 years and the next 7 days

ah cool, good luck on your move!

TY :)

https://i.imgur.com/uiWeG4J.png

jesus

every season this dumb sport sucks me in less than the one before, but despite that, I am still feeling stoked for week 1.

- hopeful long-suffering Bears fan

not like i was doing serious nfl viewing, let alone fantasy anymore, but i’m taking the year off from watching any nfl or score following. good luck usa 🙄.

i’m like the lateadopter of my likely friends to do this, but it doesnt seem to be emotionally fun for me at this point. my opinion of ncaa football universe chased me out of that like 20 years ago and it has survived so...

the number of chuckle-y, eyerolling pieces i've seen today that are like "lol no one knows what a catch is, the officiating is terrible, both of these teams sucked, yay football is back!" seems even higher than usual. does this have analogues in other sports? i'm struggling to think of any.

an entire subgenre of baseball writing is essentially this, although the lol/yay stuff comes from the kornheiser/stephen a. types rather than the strict baseball ppl.

the complaints are generally that strikeouts and home runs are way up (and thus there are fewer balls in play) and that half the league isn't really trying to win. neither is wrong

Happy w my Fins so far but fuck this lightning delay

thread title delivering

what is happening in cleveland

ok browns gonna brown nvm

Lol at that ending

Also my game has had 2.5 hours of lightning delays

Browns down 21-7 with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter, Pitt has the ball 1st and 10. Browns win! tie!

haha jesus god my eyes

Mahomes is killing the Chargers.

lolz from the Deadspin comments:

The Browns were +5 in takeaways today. Since the Browns returned to the NFL, teams with a turnover margin of +5 or better in a game are 132-4-1. The Browns are responsible for two of those losses and the tie.

pretty sure EVERY SINGLE PLAY in the third quarter of this washington football team game had a penalty flag on it

🧐

— Le'Veon Bell (@LeVeonBell) September 9, 2018

My Fins game just entered the 4th.

It started at 1:02

lol @ dallas

Tannehill with the throw of his career

The Fins Titans game was 10-3 like 5 minutes ago.

24-17 now. Two kick return TDs

Lol @ Blaine Gabbert. He thinks he's people

man I’m loving the Peterman Era so much already

when he retires in 3 weeks he’s going to own a legendary stat line

Jesus Christ the Packers look awful

If Rodgers can’t come back they might get shut out

oh no rodgers

this is so depressing

If there was a player that deserved it less

football doc on the twitters says doesn't look like a major injury by video. seemed like 2017 season kicked off with about 4 or 5 franchise players gone for the year.

Lime...

The 8-bit Tecmo version of the "Miami Miracle" pic.twitter.com/RnzvKOu6dO

— Benstonium (@Benstonium) December 10, 2018

This is one of the worst games I've ever seen fucking Vikings

Very ugly

#Eagles QB Carson Wentz, dealing with a back issue, is not expected to play this week, sources say. Depending on the result, given the time of year, Wentz may not play again in 2018. The team is still gathering info on his health.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 12, 2018

congrats Eagles

that was a really fun game.

just wanna say going for 2 at the end like that is awesome

yeah that was great stuff. and how easy the play ended up being was hilarious

theoretically you should probably go for 2 every time vs. the Chiefs

easy money

I'm interested in the Colts as they have been completely off the national TV radar, I have not seen them play this season. Cowboys looked pretty good the last couple of games I have seen, so Indy swatting them down in a shutout like that has me curious. From what I am reading, the Colts have a young defense and o-line that is starting to really figure it out and are as balanced right now as they have ever been.

amazing that the AFC South has 3 teams with winning records, none of which is the one that nearly made the Super Bowl last year

https://deadspin.com/report-prophecy-fulfilled-as-raiders-sign-nathan-peter-1831209761

thread comes full circle

brees is p good

gd game damn

steelers got jobbed on the aints' first td

beat denver and oakland and it doesn't matter tho

the eagles game today was amazing

won and playoff odds still dropped from 41% to 31%

ty bears

I really reaaly wish the Browns could’ve pulled that one out. Oh well. Great season. The future is bright.

Felt really weird to cheer for the Bears today

time for a playoffs thread?

CINCINNATI -- The Bengals have parted ways with longtime coach Marvin Lewis, who endorsed his friend Hue Jackson as his replacement.

Lewis had one season remaining on a contract extension he signed last year. In a statement, the team said the decision was mutual.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25653722/bengals-coach-marvin-lewis-part-ways-6-10-season

considering how fucking cheap the bengals are, it's surprising they canned him with a year left on his contract

i also endorse hue jackson as his replacement just for the baker mayfield lolz

Marvin Lewis is a decent coach, the guy seems to have a knack for finding and developing talent. AFC South is pretty brutal conference and having to get over both the Steelers and Ravens both is a bigger task than most divisions in football. They won the division a couple of times going like 10-6 with the Ravens and Steelers going like 9-7... A couple of the playoff losses were totally fluky as they lost Palmer in the first series of the first playoff game and his knee was always a bit bonky after that play. His best team lost Dalton down the stretch run and had that insane loss to the Steelers with a backup QB a couple years ago.

Yeah there’s definitely an element of luck to that, much as there was when McCarthy was like 0-6 in OT games (several of which were in the playoffs). He’s probably the best guy on the market, right?

marvin lewis may have been as successful as was possible for a team controlled by mike brown, but what talent did he find or develop? not sure i'm willing to credit him with turning the undrafted burfict into a . . . notable player

the ravens and steelers were ~good~ during lewis' tenure, but neither was by any means the patriots, and god knows the browns were the browns

Steelers made the playoffs 10 times since 05, went to 3 Superbowls and won 2.
Ravens made the playoffs 9 times since '05 and won a Superbowl.

That's pretty good. Outside the Pats, I think the only division that has won 3 SB would be NFC East (Giants x2, Eagles last year)... NFC South has had Saints, Falcons and Panthers be in the playoffs with some regularity.

Bengals have had a good run of drafting on defense. Cincy was able to keep a good part of that core together for a while too. Some of these guys have had really long careers...

Geno Atkins
Carlos Dunlap
Domata Peko
Frostee Rucker
Rey Maualuga
Leon Hall
Jonathan Joseph

Lewis isn't quite Marty Schottenheimer, but he has had middling success.

well, the steelers made the playoffs that many times because they went 26-8 against his bengals

anyway, worlds will collide when the steelers hire him to run their defense next year

what a good team name tho

bengals

only because you can easily change it to "Bungles"

it's no 'pukers'

so you’re saying marvin lewis is the harold baines of NFL coaches

xxxp

Interesting stat: the six highest-paid QBs - Rodgers, Ryan, Cousins, Stafford, Garrappolo (lol), and Carr (double lol) - all missed the playoffs this year. Goff, Trubisky, Mahomes, Dak, Foles, and Lamar Jackson are all in. Maybe the "QB is everything" era is over.