In honor of Eli Manning's new word he invented. I think finishing drives instead of choking on stupid penalties would be pretty dramastic for the NYFG but hey he's the QB.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 03:55 (eighteen years ago)
FREE JARED LORENZEN
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 03:58 (eighteen years ago)
6-10 last week (20-12 overall)
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:07 (eighteen years ago)
19-13
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:15 (eighteen years ago)
20-12 overall
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:19 (eighteen years ago)
anyway, here is the list of teams now in save-the-season mode and what they're up against this week:
Eagles - Lions Raiders - Browns (amazingly not the garbge matchup of the week, go browns!) Jets - Dolphins (garbage matchup of the week) Chiefs - Vikings Saints - Titans Rams - @ Bucs Falcons - Panthers Bills @ Pats (oh noes)
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:23 (eighteen years ago)
Sunday, Sep. 23 Arizona vs Baltimore → BAL Buffalo vs New England → PATS Detroit vs Philadelphia → DET? Looks that way. Indianapolis vs Houston → IND (was tempted to go with HOU in a shocker, but Johnson's knee if fucked) Miami vs N.Y. Jets → Ugh, who knows. NYJ? Minnesota vs Kansas City → MIN San Diego vs Green Bay → GB San Francisco vs Pittsburgh → PIT St. Louis vs Tampa Bay → TB Cincinnati vs Seattle → CIN Cleveland vs Oakland → CLE Jacksonville vs Denver → DEN Carolina vs Atlanta → CAR N.Y. Giants vs Washington → WAS Dallas vs Chicago → DAL
Monday, Sep. 24 Tennessee vs New Orleans → TEN
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:27 (eighteen years ago)
Ravens Pats Eagles Colts Jets Vikes Packers Steelers Bucs Bengals Browns Broncos Panthers Giants (I can't start thinking about going 0-3. Fuck it.) Cowboys
Saints (Finally bring a game face? Please?)
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)
fag
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)
i mean, titans whatever
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:49 (eighteen years ago)
Sunday, Sep. 23 Arizona vs Baltimore → ARI Buffalo vs New England → PATS Detroit vs Philadelphia → DET Indianapolis vs Houston → IND Miami vs N.Y. Jets → MIA Minnesota vs Kansas City → MIN San Diego vs Green Bay → SD San Francisco vs Pittsburgh → PIT St. Louis vs Tampa Bay → TB Cincinnati vs Seattle → CIN Cleveland vs Oakland → OAK Jacksonville vs Denver → JAX Carolina vs Atlanta → CAR N.Y. Giants vs Washington → NYG Dallas vs Chicago → DAL
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:50 (eighteen years ago)
i like those little arrow things.
Sunday, Sep. 23 Arizona vs Baltimore → ARI Buffalo vs New England → PATS Detroit vs Philadelphia → DET Indianapolis vs Houston → IND Miami vs N.Y. Jets → MIA Minnesota vs Kansas City → MIN San Diego vs Green Bay → SD (uhhhhhhh...) San Francisco vs Pittsburgh → PIT St. Louis vs Tampa Bay → TB Cincinnati vs Seattle → CIN Cleveland vs Oakland → CLEVELAND Jacksonville vs Denver → Denver Carolina vs Atlanta → CAR N.Y. Giants vs Washington → WASHINGTOWN Dallas vs Chicago → DAL
Monday, Sep. 24 Tennessee vs New Orleans → NEW ORLEANS
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 04:59 (eighteen years ago)
schefter and terrell davis just nailed the coffin shut on the giants' season. boo hoo hoo. they're right, we have no D at all. Still, fuck it.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)
it's pretty cute that the nyfg are 'we' to you
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:03 (eighteen years ago)
MIA @ NYJ - jets SD @ GB - okay this is hard, i give SD the slight edge~~~ SF @ PIT - uhhh BUF @ NE - ^^^ MIN @ KC - min i guess DET @ PHI - philly STL @ TB - tb mb ARI @ BAL - baltisnore @_@ IND @ HOU - indy cmon dude dont even go there JAC @ DEN - this is gonna suck, who even gives a flying dick about these dudes CLE @ OAK - this on the other hand will be awesome; oakland CIN @ SEA - i have no idea how the seattle offense has been playing so uh cinci i guess CAR @ ATL - car but it wouldnt surprise me if atl won (okay it would a little) NYG @ WAS - fukk the skins DAL @ CHI - fukk all of these dudes i hope they both lose (chicago wins btw) TEN @ NO - NO, it's the home opener dogg
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)
ya those arrows are tyte i feel like such a fucken rube now
how could you possibly pick the jets?
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)
cuz they're marginally better than the dolphins
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)
jets are at "home" dolphins are "crap"
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)
no wai. and i hate the dolphins. but the jets are terrrrrrrrible this year.
xpost lol jets are at "home" CALLED GIANTS STADIUM
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:10 (eighteen years ago)
continuing this from W2 thread (man if only there was some kind of rolling thread)
The Rams have been disappointing. I figured they would do a bit better, as they played well in the first half of last year and then got hurt. The Rams are just not putting the ball in the end zone.
the rams were an interesting team 2 me 2 and i thought they might do something this year, but they were fucked as soon as pace went down. bulger can't even complete a five step drop now, which is kryptonite for that offense
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:11 (eighteen years ago)
uh dogg have u peeped the fins this year? they are two shitty teams but one is mb less shitty than the other and also happens 2 b playing at home, idk i think that is pretty solid rationale~
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)
Jets can actually complete some passes.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)
"some"
― hstencil, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:14 (eighteen years ago)
washington injuns
― am0n, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)
is anyone else wayyy more fascinated by the bucs winning than the saints losing? i was sorta afraid of this, i could envision garcia and gruden meshing really well (yes homo) and maybe the defense getting its shit together slightly, this could be a 7 or 8 win team which is astounding to me
also kind of astounding - brees & garcia threw for abt the same number of yards but garcia was 10/16 while brees had something like 44 attempts. isnt grudens offense like based entirely on throwing into the flat??? i just thot that was weird~~
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:18 (eighteen years ago)
homo
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:20 (eighteen years ago)
21-11 in pick em. And I steal your arrows.
Arizona vs Baltimore → Ravens, but a pair of TDs slip through OH NO Buffalo vs New England → New England scores 69 points on purpose Detroit vs Philadelphia → Detroit, Kitna with 300+ yards or a neck brace Indianapolis vs Houston → Indy, but it's not a blowout Miami vs N.Y. Jets → Miami by default Minnesota vs Kansas City → Minnesota; Kansas City is in trouble San Diego vs Green Bay → Green Bay is the upset pick; I want to pick bolts but I haven't seen anything in the last two games that suggests I should... GOOD TIMES San Francisco vs Pittsburgh → Pitty Sing St. Louis vs Tampa Bay → The other Saints get back on track Cincinnati vs Seattle → Cincinnati Cleveland vs Oakland → Oaktown 3-5-7, playing less over their heads than Cleveland Jacksonville vs Denver → Don't know, don't much care... let's say jacksonville? No, Denver. Okay, neither. Carolina vs Atlanta → Carolina; anybody want to guess what week Atlanta wins? N.Y. Giants vs Washington → Washington and the FIRE COUGHLIN chants start today Dallas vs Chicago → Dallas; I pick over on Sexy Rexy with two picks Tennessee vs New Orleans → Gut pick with hometown boys, how bout some tennessee ti'aaaaaaaaaanz
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:22 (eighteen years ago)
By the time Jeff Fisher finally hangs his hat, he'll be up there with longest-tenured coaches surely. He just another 4 yr extension or something, iirc.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:28 (eighteen years ago)
lol @ everyone pickin' ten
hay guys they're kind of a shitty team just fyi~
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:33 (eighteen years ago)
Vince gets time to decide if he wants to run or throw. Brees gets grass in his mouth.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:36 (eighteen years ago)
Got one more win and a defense that stopped about three fewer touchdowns per game than kind of a shitty team number 2. LOL NUMBER 2 SEE WHAT I DID THERE
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:37 (eighteen years ago)
http://www.thehogs.net/forum/images4board/camp/IMG_0566.jpg
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:42 (eighteen years ago)
hahaha Belichick on next week's game: "Buffalo presents some unique challenges."
;_;
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:45 (eighteen years ago)
Tirico: If one of two guys caught a punt last week, the Eagles win that game. Barkley: If I didn't eat so much, I wouldn't be fat!
can we rename the board i love charles barkley
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:53 (eighteen years ago)
Joey Galloway YAC
What's just as wacky is Brees didn't start completing passes until the second half. All I saw are the stats though, don't know what was going on unless the Aints just kinda figured out that there will be no running game.
― rogermexico., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:54 (eighteen years ago)
haha :( i feel like i should apologize or something. hey you never know with division games!!!!!
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:54 (eighteen years ago)
oh yeah i forgot, joey. okay it all fits now~~
― cankles, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 05:55 (eighteen years ago)
no, it was nice of Belichick to say that shit with a straight face. also, I am taking a page out of brownie's book and predicting a Buffalol win.
ahahahaha Barkley is always awesome on MNF. last year he talked about how he never played football because "I'm not dumb" and he didn't want to end up braindead and all the while Theismann's in the booth and Tirico and Kornheiser are trying not to look at him and it's so awkward and amazing.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 06:18 (eighteen years ago)
Arizona vs Baltimore - Baltimore Buffalo vs New England - Buffalo (UNIQUE CHALLENGES!!!) Detroit vs Philadelphia - Detroit, I guess. I might decide to be a Lions fan this year during the playoffs if they end up making it. Indianapolis vs Houston - Colts Miami vs N.Y. Jets - wow it's always a barnburner when these two get together. Jets Minnesota vs Kansas City - Vikings San Diego vs Green Bay - Chargers San Francisco vs Pittsburgh - Steelers. If I don't root for the Lions in the playoffs, I will root for the Steelers and their hot, hot coach. St. Louis vs Tampa Bay - TB Cincinnati vs Seattle - Bengals Cleveland vs Oakland - go Browns!!! Jacksonville vs Denver - Jacksonville Carolina vs Atlanta - Panthers N.Y. Giants vs Washington - Giants Dallas vs Chicago - Dallas Tennessee vs New Orleans - Saints
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 06:25 (eighteen years ago)
i'm giving up on picking anything this year
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 18 September 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)
U MUST!
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)
"unique challenges" sounds like a 2002 techstep album
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)
JAURON & LOSMAN PRESENT
UNIQUE CHALLENGES
A DRUM AND BASS MIX
over/under on the score of the cin-sea game?
― Jordan Sargent, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)
if it's in the 80s or below OVER.
i'm starting deion branch this week in fantasy if he doesnt have 80+ yds and 2 tds ;_;
― Jordan Sargent, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
Arizona vs Baltimore - AZ bandwagon starts here Buffalo vs New England - NE (UNIQUE CHEATING CHALLENGES AMIRITE) Detroit vs Philadelphia - Detroit has to lose at least one this year Indianapolis vs Houston - Colts Miami vs N.Y. Jets - Jets could've won last week, they will not be denied this week. Minnesota vs Kansas City - Vikings San Diego vs Green Bay - Packers. There is nothing wrong with the Charger helmets. It's the pants, stupid. San Francisco vs Pittsburgh - Steelers. ugh. Steelers are notorious for their slow starts. Not this year with a schedule like CLE, BUF, 48ers. St. Louis vs Tampa Bay - TB Cincinnati vs Seattle - Seahawks. Cleveland vs Oakland - With Steinbach and Joe Thomas on the left side of the line, with Winslow, Jurevicious and Edwards as receivers and Lewis at running back this team will win and win again. Jacksonville vs Denver - Denver eeks out another smugfest. Carolina vs Atlanta - Falcons come together. N.Y. Giants vs Washington - Giants Dallas vs Chicago - Bears D wins this game Tennessee vs New Orleans - Saints
― brownie, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
Arizona vs Baltimore - Bal'mer Buffalo vs New England - Cheaters Detroit vs Philadelphia - Detroit, hopefully. Indianapolis vs Houston - Houston in a shockah. Miami vs N.Y. Jets - J-E-T-S Minnesota vs Kansas City - Chiefsies San Diego vs Green Bay - Angry Chargers San Francisco vs Pittsburgh - Steelerz St. Louis vs Tampa Bay - Angry Rams Cincinnati vs Seattle - Seattles Cleveland vs Oakland - go Browns!!! Jacksonville vs Denver - Jacksonville, Florida Carolina vs Atlanta - Panther Cats N.Y. Giants vs Washington - Washingtown Dallas vs Chicago - Chicago, with game MVP Rex Harrison Tennessee vs New Orleans - Titans!
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
i think i might watch a movie
a)chinatown b)ed wood c)trust d)the quick and the dead e)the tailor of panama f)eXistenZ g)shottas h)for your consideration i)jonestown j)tideland k)school for scoundrels
wahtd u think???
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)
ha.
trust or chinatown.
― horseshoe, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:48 (eighteen years ago)
hmmm ok i have seen a b and c before but i do kinda wanna see chinatown again. i think ive seen most of h in pieces too.
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)
maybe existenz then? I have never seen it.
― horseshoe, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:51 (eighteen years ago)
all I ever do is rewatch movies I've seen already. like trust and chinatown.
yah im pretty amped on croenberg right now i saw eastern promises yesterday and it sooo ruled
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)
really? it is a terrible title tho.
― horseshoe, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)
oh man it was so awes
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)
so so raw
i liked those eagles unis
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)
that is crazy talk!
― horseshoe, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)
No, they were so bad! I'm glad game film was b&w back then.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)
they just don't look like Eagles colors. they look like Dolphins colors or something.
― horseshoe, Monday, 24 September 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)
yah maybe - i like yellow things tho
i think im going existenz - thx for the help
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)
lol ozomatli
― gr8080, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)
im in favor of teams wearing different unis every week
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:02 (eighteen years ago)
lolzomatli
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:03 (eighteen years ago)
Deja vu all over again. The throwback unis threw me off at first... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1995-96#NFC:_Philadelphia_Eagles_58.2C_Detroit_Lions_37
― rogermexico., Monday, 24 September 2007 02:04 (eighteen years ago)
they are WASTING a truly dominant defense by not having a serviceable quarterback
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/dilfer0124.jpg
― rogermexico., Monday, 24 September 2007 02:08 (eighteen years ago)
mother fuck an archuletta
― johnny crunch, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:39 (eighteen years ago)
Haha berrs.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:57 (eighteen years ago)
bad rex manning
― gr8080, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:57 (eighteen years ago)
bad rex grossman too.
― gr8080, Monday, 24 September 2007 02:58 (eighteen years ago)
Haha berrs. Again. X100
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 September 2007 03:26 (eighteen years ago)
deangelo lol-- adam, Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
-- adam, Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
lol otm
there's seriously a rumor out there right now that some of the falcons actually BEAT DEANGELO HALL UP after the game!!!!!!
― cankles, Monday, 24 September 2007 06:51 (eighteen years ago)
i am on record all over this place as saying i don't think san diego is as good as pplz think they are! this is not to go against the patriots terrific play of the other night but i don't think the pats are THAT much better than they normally are, and in fact we do this every season so i don't know why i'm pointing this out.-- the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:10 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Link
-- the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:10 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Link
this is proving to be pretty otm - the pats are probably http://bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/monthly_09_2007/post-1452-1189460592.jpg, and they're definately with indy as far as top two teams in the league, but they've also faced three REALLY REALLY SHITTY defenses in a row. it's clear that they're sweating a little re: how to compete with indy, they're built now for more explosive offense. and it looks great against the dregs of the league, but i want to see them go into pittsburgh or indy and win.
god i have so many boners 4 randy tho~
― cankles, Monday, 24 September 2007 07:13 (eighteen years ago)
^^^
anyway ya i agree, eagles throwbacks are ~*TYTE*~ imho. i love these olde tymey bullshits the modern unis are so gross~
― cankles, Monday, 24 September 2007 07:45 (eighteen years ago)
yah ally's insight into the chargers is looking profound right now. but destroying bad teams isnt as meaningless as some would have you believe. seems indy and pitt are the other two good teams and the pats play both (and dallas too) - so they will be tested.
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)
indy failed to cover 2 of 3 games
― jhøshea, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)
pats have cincinnati and cleveland before facing dallas. i don't think i would say san diego's defense is "REALLY REALLY SHITTY". they're fucked on the sidelines but their defense hasn't been any worse than last year. their offense isn't unstoppable like it has been, teams so far haven't had to pass to get back into games and field position has probably been affected too.
i'd much rather go against indy's defense than san diego's. but i'd much rather face san diego's offense & defense than indy's o&d.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 24 September 2007 12:49 (eighteen years ago)
Eagles unis were great- i heard they wore those colors back in the 30's in honor of the large Swedish population. I think every week NFL teams should adopt a country and wear their flag colors.
― brownie, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)
god that pats/clevo game could be the biggest blowout this year
― brownie, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)
i'm looking forward to the monday night game @ cincy!
― chicago kevin, Monday, 24 September 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)
ok, sour ass grapes but making the kicker kick the game winning field goal twice at the end of a game sucks sour ass grapes. I can't believe that this is even allowed in our great land.
― brownie, Monday, 24 September 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)
i'm waiting for the time the officials say that the coach didn't call it in time since the clock is not reviewable under current replay rules.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 24 September 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)
they're fucked on the sidelines but their defense hasn't been any worse than last year.
The Chargers allowed the sixth least points in the NFL last year. The defense has definitely been worse than last year.
― polyphonic, Monday, 24 September 2007 17:36 (eighteen years ago)
btw, how about the return of kurt warner? eh?
― j.q higgins, Monday, 24 September 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)
Even God can't help the Cards on the road.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 24 September 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)
The defense has definitely been worse than last year.
37 yards per game more this year than last. defense is on the field more this year because the offense isn't sustaining drives. so i'm wrong, they are worse but not much worse and certainly not really really shitty.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 24 September 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)
the reaction in St. Louis when Warner blows his nose successfully is scary.
― bnw, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)
37 yards per game more this year than last.
Who on earth judges a defense based on yards allowed?
― polyphonic, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:44 (eighteen years ago)
the nfl.
― chicago kevin, Monday, 24 September 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
none of the stats is perfect, but yards allowed is better than points allowed at accounting for e.g. bonehead QBs who turn the ball over on their own 20...
― rogermexico., Monday, 24 September 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)
i really really like the FO stats when it comes to defense. the SD defense is noticably worse just by looking tho, none of the tenacity of last year's unit, none of the pressure from phillips & merriman to make up for the lackluster secondary. the offense is more likely to get its shit together this year than the defense, i think.
― cankles, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:08 (eighteen years ago)
VINCE YOUNG WINS FOOTBALL GAMES.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:09 (eighteen years ago)
chris berman just said that brett favre's birthday should be a national holiday. i don't think he was joking.
― Jordan Sargent, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:42 (eighteen years ago)
i'm all for another day off from work to sit around and get liquored up. assuming i find work again.
― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 04:57 (eighteen years ago)
lol @ everyone pickin' ten hay guys they're kind of a shitty team just fyi~ -- cankles, Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:33 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link
I think the phrase I'm looking for here is "Hurgity Burgity Boo Penis Penis Penis". Stay fly, canky.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 18:39 (eighteen years ago)
Vince Young looked tough last night. Young's throwing style so laid back, it is like he is flipping a frisbee. If the guy is this good after 16 starts, he could turn into an absolute freak.
Did Vince Young have any nicknames at UT?
― earlnash, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)
Honestly, the Titans could go 9-7 and could sneak in this year, but they look like a team that's gonna be worse than its record. They really need a solid wideout to start gellin'.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)