bench rex, insert (x) in his place, and yes they asses will be crown'd -- '07 chicago bears

I had a conversation with a knowledgeable coworker today who told me grossman's issue is that he doesn't know how to make his reads when dropping from behind center. He claims that rex is money in the shotgun but the OC doesn't want to put him there, and this is basically his entire reason for finding the bears mediocre.

the lesson being that if you take on a Spurrier QB you basically have to send them to cult deprogramming to learn them an NFL offense etc

i think the problem with the shotgun is rex can't be trusted to hold onto the ball so how can he catch one of olin kreutz's lobs? also i think sometimes he thinks the ball is a linebacker and he tries to bat it away.

i remember espn the mag's preview issue:

ex-bear -- rex is alright, he hasn't lost the team at all
scout -- the dude is awful, he's completely lost the team

i think rex's problem is he's fucking lazy. that's why he'll never ever fulfill whatever potential he has, and is why lovie should give up on his ass.

I thought he was working on being the greatest QB of all time during the offseason? What happened, Rex?

tbh i think this will be remembered for a long time as lovie's one crucial screwup or something. remember the games last year where rex was BALLLLLIN outta control and looking like a brilliant QB? go back and look at them - they were all against *bad pass defenses*. it's as simple as that. he's got enough stuff to beat less competetive defenses, but he's the kind of guy who has to be pushed to do the bare minimum to get by, which is why he hasn't put in the extra work needed to become a consistent QB.

every time i watch rex step to the center he's got this look on his face like, "hoo boy, here we go again". it's kinda like elvis grbac's "aw geez" look during his baltimore year.

lol

bring orton back imo, at least he was kinda likable in a simple way

yeah i mean at least we know boy can handle his whiskey. well maybe not "handle" per se but the dude gives it the ol college try! rex probably drinks hard cider.

bring back erik kramer imo

okay, but that is crazy talk, Ade.

xposts

TS: the smug lazy shitbag v. the affable drunk shitbag

v. the shitbag's shitbag?

gear, is this just a thing with the Bears? they don't bother going for a good QB because that would break with tradition?

i think w/the bears there is an organizational hierarchy of first comes defense, next comes the running game, next comes special teams, next comes close encounters of the third kind addition on soldier field, then comes qb situation, the last of which is usually a controversy between some steve stenstrom/steve walsh/shane matthews type and some rex grossman/erik kramer/jim miller type. i liked the old days when it was mcmahon and fuller runnin tings. cade mcnown is really the only quarterback everyone got behind, and by 'got behind' i mean everyone wanted to send him back to socal one piece at a time.

next comes close encounters of the third kind addition on soldier field

lol otm

and don't even get me started on the rb situation. they traded away their best back since neal anderson and gave his spot to some dude who is already being called "soft" at worst and "workmanlike" at best, and who some reche-level facial expressions on the sidelines after his fumble in week 1. at least last year there was some hope that t jones would bust out a 30yd dash. i have a feeling that there will be a lot of "runs" this year where benson pushes gently up against the back of an o-lineman and nudges forward two inches, at which point he slips off the dude's back and rolls onto the ground.

lol cade mcnown, what a piece of shit that guys was.

Thomas Jones: 38 attempts, 109 yards, 1 fumble
Cedric Benson: 43 attempts, 143 yards, 1 fumble

Just sayin'.

I had a conversation with a knowledgeable coworker today who told me grossman's issue is that he doesn't know how to make his reads when dropping from behind center.

i totally buy this. but i don't buy him being money in the 'gun because he has a total and complete inability to pick up a blitzing linebacker or db. he's getting fucking creamed out there because he appears to be operating under the assumption that only linemen will be coming after him.

put in drunk kyle orton.

i'm not saying cedric will suck completely but it just makes sense that the bears would ditch a sure thing for a big question mark at such a key position.

thomas jones = cancer in the clubhouse. allegedly responsible for most of the quotes attributed to "unnamed bears sources" in the tribune and sun times over the last two years.

benson hasn't exactly been a team player either but then again i think that stuff is overrated.

hey maybe he's got something after all:

In a game against the New England Patriots during week twelve of the 2006 Chicago Bears season, Benson collided with linebacker Junior Seau. The collision caused Seau to fall down and fracture his forearm.

though seau is like 52 years old.

benson hasn't exactly been a team player either

no, but if you're wondering why the bears ditched one and not the other it's because one is a coach killer and the other just doesn't give a shit. i think it's the lesser of two evils here.

did you see that play where seau broke his forearm? it was like he had another elbow midway between the original one and his wrist. grizz-fucking-lee.

i missed the play somehow, despite watching the game. i actually haven't seen any mad horrific injury since napoleon mccallum snapped his leg on mnf. that was the worst. my bros and i were a couchful of reches for about an hour after that happened.

nothing will ever top LT's hit on theismann for me. seau's wasn't a compound fracture so it wasn't too gruesome to look at but there's something disquieting about seeing a 45 degree angle in some dude's arm where you know it's supposed to be straight.

if you haven't seen it, never watch that mccallum injury on youtube.

In the Raiders' opening game of the 1994 season, a September 5 date on Monday Night Football at the San Francisco 49ers, McCallum's career would be ended prematurely. He suffered a ruptured artery in his left knee, and tore three ligaments, tore the calf and hamstring from the bone, and suffered nerve damage when 49ers linebacker Ken Norton Jr. twisted him to the ground. McCallum's cleat stuck in the ground, forcing his knee into a horrible dislocation. Norton lay pinned underneath a motionless McCallum for a couple of minutes while trainers attended to McCallum.

wow, so i should've taken your advice

Oy, I remember that, so awful that the local sportscast afterwards actually didn't run any replays of it.

after that injury everyone was all ewww nice to know ya junior lol - but then hes playing again this season wtf

Junior Seau has nine lives.

And he's a captain!

Someone please make a JPG of Junior as a cat captain.

shit i remember it, that was pretty revolting but when i saw the theisman hit i was still a kid, by '94 i was in my 20s and had worked for a spell in a morgue so a broken leg wasn't going to phase me.

dude..napoleon mccallum! a neighbor of my folks has had navy season tix for years and i used to go watch napoleon when he was back at annapolis. them's was the days!

The Napoleon McCallum injury was definitely as bad as the LT/JT one. It was revolting.

Wanna hear more about the morgue.

morgue was pretty boring most of the time, i worked in a hospital one summer on the second shift (3-11), saw some car accident victims but not nearly as bad as the third shifters. they had less volume but it was almost always gruesome.

in a much different job about 6 years ago i walked into an autopsy. dude on the table looked just like jesus christ, only with no stigmata and his ribs spread open like a prom night liquor cabinet.

ribs spread open like a prom night liquor cabinet

-uhh...graphic! though i just saw the handsome family last night, so it seems strangely appropriate.

all this talk of stan brakhage films seems quite appropriate on a rex grossman thread

For some reason, Rex comes across as fundamentally unlikable. I like Orton because he just never seemed to give a fuck. Gimme the ball, a shot, and lets play some football.

-uhh...graphic!

it was at a va hospital in chicago, we were doing a safety inspection and one of the things we needed to check was that the autopsy room door was locked so that people didn't wander in while an autopsy was underway.

the dude had the full jesus beard and long hair, he was a junkie so i'm not sure if it was that or that he'd been dead for a day but he had a sunken face and open mouth. combined with the rib spreader it made quite an impression on me.

weirdest thing i ever saw was this film clip of a race marshall running across the track to help a stalled driver and then getting pulverized by a formula 1 car going 180 mph. weird because he got hit and just vanished into thin air.

well this is humiliating. madden and michael otm re: benching the young guy for an "ok" veteran who won't rock the boat. the bears need to draft a qb or get someone off the scrap heap. aaron brooks is still out there right? he sucks but come on, he's gotta be better than grossman.

i was up late and left nbc on, the local post game show mentioned that lovie said two weeks ago that he won't make any changes at qb in the first quarter of the season and that making a change that early would be tantamount to giving up. i think lovie should worry less about what a move looks like and more how it affects the team.

none of the quarterbacks on the team are going to win you any games, find the one who will lose you the least amount. jesus, griese or orton should be able to keep them in the game and if not then why are they on the roster?

omar, you can't bring someone in at this late date and have them try to start learning the system, it will take four weeks minimum and by then the season would be half over. the time for making those moves was 8 weeks ago, they have to play the cards they have, dance with who they brought, etc.

I'm sure I said this somewhere (maybe even upthread?), but if da bears don't draft Andre Woodson in 2008, they deserve their next 7 losing seasons.

well obviously not, but after this season they need to make that move. if they suck this year, the silver lining is they'll be able to get a decent draft pick and maybe nab a good qb.

xp

jesus, griese or orton should be able to keep them in the game

How can there be a QB controversy -- just put Jesus in.

Thank you, Martin Mull.

well played.

there is talk in town about bringing disgruntled mt. caramel high alum donovan mcnabb back to chicago next year. i don't think it's anything more than wishful thinking though.

more grossman analysis

Worse yet for the franchise, it's gotten to the point where the "Good Rex/Bad Rex" moniker is no longer accurate. This franchise has seen Grossman vacillate between "Average Rex" and "Awful Rex" for the last eight games. In fact, in Grossman's last 17 contests (including the postseason) dating back to Oct. 16 of last season, he's stacked up an atrocious 25 interceptions to 18 touchdown passes.

And if you remove Grossman's four best outings in that span, when he threw 10 touchdowns and only one interception, you are left with 13 games in which Grossman has put up eight touchdown passes against twenty-four interceptions. Factor in his seven lost fumbles and he's turned the ball over a mind-boggling 32 times in his last 17 games.

the worst bit last night wasn't even a turnover, it was when he tripped over that defensive lineman.

i really don't think he knows how to pick up the blitz, he rolls into it at least as often as he rolls away from it and seldom seems to step in the pocket. he keeps going backwards and either gets sacked for a huge loss or throws up an off balance lame duck off the wrong foot.

Meh. Other than the Jim McMahon and Sid Luckman eras, when has there NOT been weak QB play/QB controversy in Chicago?

In training camp 1995, Kramer was battling Steve Walsh for the starting job. Kramer won, and turned in the best season a Bears quarterback ever had. He threw for 3,838 yards and 29 touchdowns but was the third best quarterback in the NFC Central!

1 & 2 = favre and scott mitchell

there is talk in town about bringing disgruntled mt. caramel high alum donovan mcnabb back to chicago next year. i don't think it's anything more than wishful thinking though.

-- chicago kevin, Monday, September 24, 2007 7:16 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i can't remember did mcnabb go before or after mcnown in the draft?

1 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns
2 Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse Philadelphia Eagles
3 Akili Smith QB Oregon Cincinnati Bengals
4 Edgerrin James RB Miami (Fla.) Indianapolis Colts
5 Ricky Williams HB Texas New Orleans Saints
6 Torry Holt WR North Carolina State St. Louis Rams
7 Champ Bailey CB Georgia Washington Redskins
8 David Boston WR Ohio State Arizona Cardinals
9 Chris Claiborne OLB USC Detroit Lions
10 Chris McAlister CB Arizona Baltimore Ravens
11 Daunte Culpepper QB Central Florida Minnesota Vikings
12 Cade McNown QB UCLA Chicago Bears

ohio made out pretty bad

After last night, Lovie has to be getting close to dropping the ax. Rex playing like crap and winning is one thing, but losing is another. I don't think Griese is end all be all, but the play might be a bit more professional.

That is a pretty good draft, sometimes you look at the Top 10 and there is maybe only one or two guys that did anything. There was a whole lot of people saying the Colts were off taking Edge in front of Ricky Williams.

as bad as rex was last night, was the loss entirely his fault? seemed like chicago's d wasn't particularly impressive, if you ask me.

i totally agree with benching rex, tho.

the bears lost a couple of players on D last night, plus a couple were out from last week. plus the shitty O kept them on the field a little too much. not that it's any excuse, really.

There was a whole lot of people saying the Colts were off taking Edge in front of Ricky Williams.

We'll never know how Ricky Williams might have done under Dungy...

(This would be the place for me to acknowledge that imho Ricky Williams got a raw deal all around, though he certainly didn't help himself any. Fxxkin' sports-beat media treat a complicated, introspective, depressive kid too genuine and naive to build hisself an armor of cliches like piranhas treat a buffalo. Plus, dude pounds the ball 35 times on a Sunday and shows up to do it again a week later, the public has no right to give a FUCK whether he prefers a nice J to a glass of wine of an evening. NFL rules is one thing, but public outcry and talking-head tut-tuttery is grounds for a bitchslapping. Which is to say, Ricky Williams died for our sins etc etc. Anyone happen to know what he's doing these days?)

MIAMI (AP) — Suspended running back Ricky Williams is eligible to seek reinstatement by the NFL after Oct. 1 and will do so, his lawyer said Friday.

Williams, who played for the CFL's Toronto Argonauts last season while under suspension, has played only 12 NFL games since 2003. His current suspension began in April 2006 after he violated the league's drug policy for the fourth time, and a positive test for marijuana this April delayed his return.

Williams' lawyer David Cornwell said they spoke by phone Thursday.

"He sounds wonderful," Cornwell said. "He sounds like he's in a great place, and I'm confident that will come through to the commissioner."

It's uncertain how quickly the 30-year-old Williams might be cleared to return - or where he would play. He remains under contract with Miami, where he won the NFL rushing title in 2002, but first-year Dolphins coach Cam Cameron has given no indication he would want Williams.

Dolphins general manager Randy Mueller traded Williams to Miami when both were with the New Orleans Saints in 2002.

NFL rules is one thing, but public outcry and talking-head tut-tuttery is grounds for a bitchslapping.

public outcry? i don't remember people protesting ricky's smoke habit...

eemed like chicago's d wasn't particularly impressive, if you ask me.

3-3 at the half. they lost tommie harris, lance briggs, and nathan vasher. plus it looked like the d quit in the 4th quarter. they've been in danger of this for a while where defense and special teams have been carrying the team but they can only do so much. through 3 games they have one passing touchdown and that was to a 2nd string tackle and benson's 2 yard run last night is their sole rushing td. this team can't score. both defense and special teams could outscore the offense this year. they're headed for a mutiny if the aptly named grossman stays in the lineup.

public outcry? i don't remember people protesting ricky's smoke habit...

Just the asshats who call in to sports radio programs, I guess... fxxkers...

I like Ricky. In interviews he always sounded like a real human being instead of a prepackaged cliché spouting automaton.

I like Ricky. In interviews he always sounded like a real human being instead of a prepackaged cliché spouting automaton.

And journalists seemed to hate him for it. Weirdest thing...

Griese got the starting job.

So does Rex ever start an NFL game again anywhere or is it backup city for him from here on in?

backup city, population rex.

wgn just had a poll on the news asking viewers to text who should be the bears starting qb, 32% said rex, 67% said orton, 0% said griese. wtf?

We'll never know how Ricky Williams might have done under Dungy...

I don't think he would have played groom to Ricky's bride in that photo, that's for sure.

wgn viewers are a weird crowd.

I think rex really needs to call up a cult deprogramming service and get spurrier out of his brain once and for all. "backup city" in the NFL isn't what it used to be, either. watch this kid turn into somebody's Hostetler and become the Greatest Football Story Ever Told. lol rly

tom's on mushrooms and he has malaria-induced fever dreams.

I really do wish that were true

i was offered $50 to be somebody's Hostetler but I politely declined

QBs from any big Florida school need to be avoided like the plague, i think this is a good rule of thumb.

I don't think Brian Griese is the be all end all at QB, but he should help especially in the Bear's short passing game. Griese can complete passes, which should help with ball control and keep save their defense a bit. That TE from Miami looked OK in the first half of the Dallas game, which with someone like Griese and their wide outs, Chicago might be able to put together a ball control passing game. Benson might be able to get the running production up, but the guy does not appear to be much at all in the passing game.

The Bears seem to get injuries in bunches. The year after they had that big year with Mike Brown returning those balls for TD's and Jim Miller playing QB, they lost pretty much all of their starters. Sadly Mike Brown has just not been able to stay healthy at all. Griese has also gotten hurt a few times in his career. The guy was off to a decent start in Tampa when he went down for the year and that was that as Simms played OK in his absence

"We'll never know how Ricky Williams might have done under Dungy..."

Jim Mora Sr. would have been the coach for at least three years if Williams joined the Colts, but I agree with your point. Heck what if Ricky would have played for someone like Dick Vermeil or maybe Belichick. It definitely is an example of the luck involved getting on the right team. Ditka betting the draft on Williams with a club deep into rebuilding from the Mora years in New Orleans created an unworkable situation.

it's pretty much gone unsaid around town but everyone is assuming that mike brown's bears career, at least, is over.

QBs from any big Florida school need to be avoided like the plague, i think this is a good rule of thumb.

It's possible Rexy could blossom in mid-career like Testaverde did, but he's playing so badly now I don't know if he'll have a "mid-career."

i really don't think he can pick up blitzes well enough to have a career.

any other out of towners with no plans for xmas?

open 365 days a year:

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uhm, totally wrong thread for that.

maybe i should go to bed.

the thing about ricky is that he doesn't really like football tho. obv he came into a horrible situation with the saints and then the 'phins, but i think he was pretty much destined to burn out. it's too bad cuz i loved the dude.

chi-kev were you channelling rex grossman in those posts?

i feel like testaverde wasn't so much stupid as just reckless, playing like later-period favre in his early years. he always had the tools. rex doesn't really have tools or height and the dude is just an idiot and a nervous nellie whenever he sees anyone who weighs more than him coming in his direction. and let's face it, that's everyone except maybe new teammate adam archuleta.

that was a bar we were talking about on the chicago thread. helen's two way lounge, where i will be spending my xmas. $1.25 old styles, only a buck on mondays and thursdays.

Vinny was playing for Tampa pre-Dungy, those guys even made Steve Young look like a duffer. Miami QB's have had better luck than Florida or Florida State.

The old ball coach was about as big a bust in his day that Grossman has been in his.

It is sad that Mike Brown is probably done. The dude would definitely play with the motor running wide open.

so... this worked out well.

;_;

ORTON!!!!!!

and if that fails, exhume the corpse of vince evans.

bob avellini, STAT!

apres rex le deluge

Mike Phipps call home all is forgiven!

That being said, if you are asking Griese to throw 50+ times you are going to lose. Jones may have been a clubhouse cancer, but he could run the freakin' ball. The Bears have to figure out a way to get Devin Hester involved on offense.

The Bears D is in some serious trouble.

http://www.purdue.edu/jumbo/covers/covers_medium/18_kyle_orton.jpg

I'm curious to see if Orton has improved. The guy got thrown into a tough situation his rookie year and it will be interesting to see how it will go down the stretch.