mcnabbtroversy: why does this dude keep getting shit on

aw. I love him. what exactly are people mad about?

they were talking about this today on NFL Total Access but it wasn't clear to me that there was a "controversy" as such.

"They probably have not been told that they should have scrambled more." <--- not exactly Darfur levels of racism here.

p.s. Donny - I think Jake Plummer would trade places with you in a second.

I'm not really sure who's he is calling racist though... media, fans, owners, everyone? what is a "racial consciousness organization" ?

i've got a soft spot for mcnabb, too. i think ever since he started doing the moonwalk in the endzone and shit.

http://umsis.miami.edu/~pgibbons/eagles_files/image003.jpg

I don't know what the "racial consciousness organization" he's referring to is, but I don't think just because he leads an enviable life in some ways he should be barred from talking about his experience. Does anyone doubt that there's added scrutiny of black QBs? I mean, it wasn't superlong ago that there were none and there still aren't many.

should we get into the "what if it was chad pennington who was dogfighting" conversation or no?

When is someone going to ask Rush Limbaugh what he thinks is what I want to nkow.

HOLY SHIT HE HAS A VLOG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu_bb4D9_bg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyardbarker%2Ecom%2Fnfl%2Farticles%2FDonovan%5FResponds%2F27129

http://www.youtube.com/user/Yardbarker

hs, a year or two ago the head of the philly chapter of the naacp criticized mcnabb for not running enough and basically insinuated that he was a sell-out for becoming more of a pocket passer. i always found that really galling.

"well, ursportspro, let me comment on that..."

xpost okay, that's clearly what he's referring to by using the counter example of white dudes being accused of playing too white. that blows.

lol @ dudes in the comment section trying to give him tips on how to throw.

or all these guys like "i'm white but i support you"

i am usually the first one to delight in the misery of famous people regardless of the situation, but i always thought the ratio of flack mcnabb gets compared to the amount of deservedness is pretty much unprecedented, he's a great player and comports himself with dignity in public and is never nasty in the press no matter how much he's provoked, he's generally just kind of goofy and likable. the philly fanbase factor skews things a little because they are psychos, but even still he never seems to get support from his team mates (cf. TO sitch) or the black community at large? it's just crazy2me~!

also bnw you are really approaching it from the wrong angle, idk if you saw the interview or not. he never called anyone racist and he was basically just asked if there's a difference in expectations/treatment wrt black and white QBs. which is completely true.

plus it's weird when people respond to a black public figure noting the existence of race by getting all defensive, oh I guess your life is pretty hard, huh? like the man said, he would love to live in a world where race is not an issue.

I think he might just be a little humorless and aloof, and winds up rubbing a lot of folks the wrong way. If he were totally amazing at his job, that wouldn't matter, but he's often hurt and seems to have become more and more cautious over the course of his career as a result. All put together it makes it difficult for morons to like him though clearly the man loves his moms and has a good size brain on his shoulders so people need to just sit the fuck back and relax, let the man play.

there's some weird shit going on w/r/t white dudes getting pissed when black dudes dare to complain about racism. the replies are usually, "hilariously" along the lines of, "there ain't no racism, stop complainin' and know yr place".

also I really hate the idea that you apparently have to be, like, a target of genocide to be justified in describing how race affects your life.

I'm getting madder the more I think about it because I think someone could have gone a lot further than McNabb did and been totally right.

There's a big part of me that wishes more minority athletes would act a little more uppity from time to time. McNabb is catching shit because he's unconcerned enough with everybody's opinions to open his mouth. That NAACP thing from last year or so came out of left field, though, my assumption was that dude forgot to RSVP some function because he thought the invite was junk mail and philly's chief colored person decided to throw a tantrum about it.

and i use that last epithet to express my overall nausea with any racial consciousness organization that claims such a goal while retaining such a title. racial consciousness indeed

grr I'm getting angry too! time for beddy bed

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/eagles_fans_give_mcnabb_three_week

yeah exactly! the stuff he hints at goes pretty deep.

there's some weird shit going on w/r/t white dudes getting pissed when black dudes dare to complain about racism. the replies are usually, "hilariously" along the lines of, "there ain't no racism, stop complainin' and know yr place".

-- omar little, Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:38 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yeah i love this, it almost always includes phrases like "the race card," and "this isnt about black or white" blublub. there's this aggression that comes out w/some white folks like they see PC bogeymen everywhere, i guess out of an insane fear that they will be branded a racialist all scarlet letter style.

yeah, I wish I never had to hear "the race card" again for the rest of my life.

I wish I had a special bigot radar that activated pinpoint satellite death beams whenever it detected a positive

POV: BLAK QUATRBAKX

1. Warren Moon
2. Randall Cunningham
3. Steve Young
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Doug Flutie

kordell stewart wins all of these polls for keeping his career alive by becoming a black PUNTER

TS: Kordell Stewart vs. Reggie Roby

http://blacksportsonline.com/exclusives/Roby.jpg

RIP

Todd Sauerbrun has never been asked what it's like to be a white punter.

i think white pps are generally sensitive to the impact of full-blown aka 'classic' racism, jim crow america and whatnot, and of course they don't want to be seen as associated with that. and since that's pretty much their illustration for why racism sux, when they recognize the little strains of racialism inside themselves the reaction is to try - without ever actually acknowledging these feelings openly - to insist that their brand of racialism doesn't fall under the rubric of real racism so you can't lump us in with the KKK nyah nyah.

i find the black v white QB thing really interesting because it's a manifestation of all this, the way unintentional/unacknowledged racialism can mold expectations. wayne gandy, left tackle for the falcons last year, talked really frankly about what he's observed over the years w/black QBs (including vick) - the expectations from coaches that these guys are athletic so if they can't make an easy play in the passing game, they should just make something happen with their feet. so they never demand that the black QBs learn the finer points of passing, and the QBs know they aren't expected to either. it goes both ways too, like how white halfbacks are always converted to fullbacks.

ultimate black quarterback: joe namath

They probably have not been told that they should have scrambled more.

i take it donovan mcnabb never had a conversation with new england era drew bledsoe.

I bet Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jake Plummer, and Doug Flutie have never been told by a member of any racial consciousness organization that they don't play the quarterback position white enough.

so it's tarkenton's, young's, plummer's, and flutie's fault that they don't talk to morons? i mean seriously? just because someone says something to you doesn't mean their point is valid.

ultimate black quarterback = late '70s steve grogan.

"They probably have not been told that they should have scrambled more." <--- not exactly Darfur levels of racism here.

that is exceedingly dumb.

and hey kevin, flutie has to be on abc's college football halftime show every week so i'm not sure it could be said he "don't talk to morons" (sic).

kevin and bnw's responses are blowing my minds.

i mean, are you two fucking serious? he's talking about the naacp publically calling him an uncle tom for fuck's sake.

sorry but like i'm w/cankles that the public treatment of mcnabb, who i love, here is something that really kind of freaks me the fuck out and gets my goat, i mean coming on here being all like "i guess he shouldn't talk to morons, ppl publicly saying he's not black enough isn't racism" is like an if-i-was-jon-the-ban-hammer-would-be-laid offense in my book.

also cankles otm re: being asked questions during an interview specifically about these things and answering them isn't, like, whining or making a big deal about them. mcnabb has been basically notoriously gracious and unwilling to address insults slung at him his entire career.

yeah dude for real "just because someone says something to you doesn't mean their point is valid" is a non-sequitur at best

Dwil weighs in, and again

What we don’t need is someone who has made a career out of being non-committal about these issues to suddenly start talking about racism in the NFL and how it pertains to the quarterback position like he’s been trying to say this all along. None of us needs Donovan McNabb to tell us about race and racism; needs for him to suddenly attempt go black before our very eyes.

ugh

calling each other oreos has been especially productive for the black community in america, why, just look at jesse jackson trying to fuck obama's comapaign in the ass.

as far as mcnabbs comments on race im kinda just like well sure obv - but i am interested in the cloud of dissatisfaction that's hovered over his career despite the fact that he's one of the best qb's of his generation. probably goes something like this: philly fans are assholes + injuries + weirdly shifting style of play + enigmatic not conventionally leadershipy type personality + ? = mcnabb, people are not so sure.

also he's had some really horrible stretches in his career - maybe all related to injury - but it's weird to see a good qb play so bad.

his game too is pretty unconventional and often not pretty

and he doesnt really have the face to pull off the balding baby fro

not sure anyone does

he's shaved his head...finally!

The one time in his career he had good WRs he completely kicked ass, but now he has Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown, two mid-tier guys.

srsly

You might be 0-2 in the NFL IF: yr best receiver is an RB

Come back Freddie Mitchell all is forgiven

White d00ds in "lolwtf it's not the '60s anymore, racism is solved!!" shocker.

if i was a college qb drafted by philly i'd totally jd drew that shit

i mean, are you two fucking serious? he's talking about the naacp publically calling him an uncle tom for fuck's sake.

so maybe he should quit being a fucking pussy and just say that then?

also I really hate the idea that you apparently have to be, like, a target of genocide to be justified in describing how race affects your life.

nah, just saying I don't see people organizing marches around "they said I need to scramble more".

i'm not sure what the problem is here. he should just learn to accept these little insults because he's lucky they're not a lot worse?

bnw wtf?

you know he was answering questions POSED TO HIM, right?

I don't get why pointing it out as minor is so offensive? Didn't young McNabb have people vandalizing his house so black people wouldn't live there?

When Tony Banks played here the newspaper would regularly run photos of him with his doo-wrag and his dog Felony. The call-in shows were filled with that shit. That was way more nauseating then the McNabbtroversy.

Maybe I am expecting too much from a blog post.

I don't get why pointing it out as minor is so offensive?

well, how do you know how it feels?

the mcnabb shit is nauseating because of the reactions of those who are telling him (the one who has experienced this shit over and over again) to prove it/man up/grow up/shut up. he's trying to explain why such so-called minor incidents can be hurtful, but many people who live in rarefied air and who have never had to deal with it on a daily basis aren't willing to even hear a single complaint. "we've given you so much more than you deserve already, take it" is what seems to be the underlying message.

And I don't get why McNabb has become the center of racial controversy for answering a question, put to him in August, on what it's like to be a black QB in the NFL, oh wait's it's because Americans can't talk about without becoming spazzed out retards.

I honestly don't understand how talking about how race operates in some "minor" way detracts from, like, condemning lynchings. You can be aware of all these things at the same time.

MN sports talk radio callers are hella racist.

even when duante was throwing up one of the best statistical years ever they were all over him. loved stupid whiteboy losers like jim kleinssaser and chris (SUCH hard worker, GUTTY special teams player, such a HEAD for the game) walsh

Isn't outright rejecting claims of racism almost as dangerous as outright accepting them? Proving it seems valuable as it stops being this easily brushed off effusive concept that we can't control, and starts becoming something you can pin down.

I honestly don't understand how talking about how race operates in some "minor" way detracts from, like, condemning lynchings. You can be aware of all these things at the same time.

True enough, but pointing out that there's a scale involved doesn't make you racist (or does it?).

Isn't outright rejecting claims of racism almost as dangerous as outright accepting them? Proving it seems valuable as it stops being this easily brushed off effusive concept that we can't control, and starts becoming something you can pin down.

This is why talking about racism-qua-racism is so unproductive. You'll notice that McNabb never calls anyone a racist or even uses the term racism; he just points out that his existence as a black QB is fundamentally different from that of a white QB, at both an individual and institutional level. Once you try to label something/someone racist, people get defensive and try to shut down the debate or at least the race-angle.

I can't fault McNabb at all. He was asked a question and gave an honest answer. It's no surprise he feels the way he does. This is the same guy that was booed by Philly fans on the day he was drafted. What a great introduction to the NFL.

This thread reminds of this guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Gilliam

Dwight Perry, Seattle Times: “Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, appearing on HBO’s ‘Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel,’ declared that black QBs endure more criticism and scrutiny than their white counterparts do. Rex Grossman could not be revived for comment.”

True enough, but pointing out that there's a scale involved doesn't make you racist (or does it?).

-- bnw, Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

it doesn't make you racist at all but it does mean you're trying to trivialize what he's saying. which begs the question, why bother?

"loved stupid whiteboy losers like jim kleinssaser"

I only saw the Vikings play a few times in the past few years, but that Kleinsasser guy is (or at least was) a pretty vicious blocker for a back. I remember seeing the guy pancake Keith Traylor a few years ago giving away at least 100+ pounds.

okay, Rex Grossman OTM if that was actually what Donuvin said, which it isn't, but no sportswriter would ever let that get in the way of a news cycle or a good joke

lol, dwight perry is like a real-life model for those onion editorial cartoons.

<i>I only saw the Vikings play a few times in the past few years, but that Kleinsasser guy is (or at least was) a pretty vicious blocker for a back. I remember seeing the guy pancake Keith Traylor a few years ago giving away at least 100+ pounds.</i>

yeah jim's fine but he's basically just a blocker and a special teams dude, he's a terrible fullback and everyone was so gassed up by him here we were paying him like 4 mil. a year....he's not even bad but it's weird dudes used to act like he was the greatest so i started hating on him.

people just like the name. him and the hasselbecks must have very interesting family histories.

mcnabb to critics: stfu. 35-7 in the first half.

It's the best game of the season by a black quarterback.

he's doin' a little somethin' extra.